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iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook
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jchamier
21-08-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“It has been said that Blackberry, Samsung and Apple devices are all equal in terms of security.”

Not sure about Samsung, if you'd said Nexus I'd have agreed.
Stuart_h
21-08-2016
Originally Posted by gomezz:
“Note the BiB and think again about what details you provided and to whom.”

To be fair Google already has my card details as I make use of the Google Play store. Why would i consider this any different ?? Id be fairly confident that Google adhere to PCI DSS guidelines like most other financial institutions .... although its only in recent iterations of the PCI DSS guidelines that Banks themselves have been expected to adhere to the same levels of security.
jonmorris
21-08-2016
There are other benefits of using the likes of Google Wallet/Pay, Amazon's own payment system, PayPal etc in that if you're buying from some retailers, they never get your card details. This means you never need to worry about whether they're complying with the PCI DSS regulations - or just printing out all the card numbers and putting them in a filing cabinet.

All things considered, I'd say these systems (and Apple Pay to keep on topic) are far less risk than NOT using them and opting for alternative payment methods. I have said nothing is 100% secure, but you have to work out the odds on risk.
Heanor_Man31
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Absolutely correct - sadly though listening to some people on the internet is like listening to two old women gossiping in the street. They get hold of half a tale and then before you know it what started as someone leaving the garden gate open has turned into a full scale burglary.

Android Pay, Apple Pay, Samsung Pay. They are all secure - end of.”

Amen to that.

Let's just hope Tim Cook really does pull something out of the bag next month.

Some of the "leaks" have left me feeling cold. Sure it's the 10th anniversary of iPhone next year (is it really that long?!) but a lot can happen between now and then!
moox
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“There are other benefits of using the likes of Google Wallet/Pay, Amazon's own payment system, PayPal etc in that if you're buying from some retailers, they never get your card details. This means you never need to worry about whether they're complying with the PCI DSS regulations - or just printing out all the card numbers and putting them in a filing cabinet.

All things considered, I'd say these systems (and Apple Pay to keep on topic) are far less risk than NOT using them and opting for alternative payment methods. I have said nothing is 100% secure, but you have to work out the odds on risk.”

Not to mention that Android and Apple Pay require tight integration with the banks - hence not being able to use unsupported banks or card types (e.g. Nationwide, who allows debit but not yet credit cards) - so I'd hope that the banks consider it secure enough to take the risk.

IIRC, provided that you take sensible precautions (like not telling anyone your phone's PIN, or rooting the phone), the banks will reimburse for fraud/loss just the same as they do with plastic
tdenson
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
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IIRC, provided that you take sensible precautions (like not telling anyone your phone's PIN, or rooting the phone), the banks will reimburse for fraud/loss just the same as they do with plastic”

There is a problem there. Although my wife and I share a joint bank account, I was told by Lloyds that if If I let my wife have access to my phone by registering her fingerprint then it nullifies liability on the bank's part. Crazy but true.
d123
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“There is a problem there. Although my wife and I share a joint bank account, I was told by Lloyds that if If I let my wife have access to my phone by registering her fingerprint then it nullifies liability on the bank's part. Crazy but true.”

Not that crazy.

Even on a joint account you aren't supposed to let anyone else use your card and there is no exclusion to that term for the other card holder.
Stig
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“There is a problem there. Although my wife and I share a joint bank account, I was told by Lloyds that if If I let my wife have access to my phone by registering her fingerprint then it nullifies liability on the bank's part. Crazy but true.”

It's no different to sharing your PIN for a debit card; you shouldn't be doing it and if something goes wrong it's your fault.
Faust
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by tdenson:
“There is a problem there. Although my wife and I share a joint bank account, I was told by Lloyds that if If I let my wife have access to my phone by registering her fingerprint then it nullifies liability on the bank's part. Crazy but true.”

I can do even better than that, again Lloyds. They suspended our joint Internet account (mine and the wife's) because I said to them she knew my Internet password? They couldn't seem to get their head round the fact it was a joint account so she could see what was in the account and get at it with her password in any event.

Their attitude was I mustn't share my password. I had one hell of a struggle to get it reinstated.
moox
22-08-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I can do even better than that, again Lloyds. They suspended our joint Internet account (mine and the wife's) because I said to them she new my Internet password? They couldn't seem to get their head round the fact it was a joint account so she could see what was in the account and get at it with her password in any event.

Their attitude was I mustn't share my password. I had one hell of a struggle to get it reinstated. ”

My parents are with Lloyds. Their account was part of a data breach from one of the big website hacks (we think Cotton Traders, this was some years ago now).

Their so called fraud detection system couldn't work out that the same card being nearly simultaneously, in locations hundreds of miles apart, with totally weird spending patterns, was clear fraud. Lloyds thought my parents just really liked buying mobile phone topups or coach tickets and £150 shops at Sainsburys every day.

Fortunately it was easy to get all the money back (they sent us a form with the transactions, they confirmed what was actually theirs and sent it back, money credited), but it shouldn't have happened. Meanwhile, I got my card frozen for making one transaction that the bank didn't like
tdenson
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Stig:
“It's no different to sharing your PIN for a debit card; you shouldn't be doing it and if something goes wrong it's your fault.”

But totally irrational. She has full access to our account other ways.

However, it is different. Not being allowed to share a pin number is no big deal, it only affects that card. Not allowing her to register her fingerprint affects a much wider range of functionality, nothing to do with Lloyds.
Stig
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I can do even better than that, again Lloyds. They suspended our joint Internet account (mine and the wife's) because I said to them she knew my Internet password? They couldn't seem to get their head round the fact it was a joint account so she could see what was in the account and get at it with her password in any event.

Their attitude was I mustn't share my password. I had one hell of a struggle to get it reinstated. ”

If you have a joint account, each user has their own separate login and password.

It's basic IT security. If someone logs in with somebody else's details, how can you prove who did what? Even in a 'husband and wife' situation, you can foresee circumstances where they blame each other for a withdrawal or payment from the account.
Markynotts
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“Not to mention that Android and Apple Pay require tight integration with the banks - hence not being able to use unsupported banks or card types (e.g. Nationwide, who allows debit but not yet credit cards) - so I'd hope that the banks consider it secure enough to take the risk.”

Nationwide do allow Credit Cards and Debit Cards with Apple Pay. My partner uses the Debit Card and I use my Credit Card. It has changed since the launch of Apple Pay.
hongkongandy
23-08-2016
Guys, can we try to keep on topic. everything discussed here apart from IPHONE 7.
Gigabit
23-08-2016
Still nothing you "can't live without" that I can see. Another year of blandness from Apple. Sad really.
Thine Wonk
23-08-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“Still nothing you "can't live without" that I can see. Another year of blandness from Apple. Sad really.”

Under Jobs we had new Macbooks, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the AppleTV and loads of innovation. Since he passed away and Tim Cook has taken over there has really been nothing new, even the phones are just slight variations on last years design.
Gigabit
23-08-2016
Every 10 years or so Apple make a really good product. So if 2017 misses the mark, well goodbye Apple.
Thine Wonk
23-08-2016
How do you work that one out? the iPhone came out in 07 and the iPad around 5 years later.

It's just a shame that Apple hasn't made any other really great products in the last 5 years and that they seem to be living off the Jobs legacy.
Jimmy_Carter
24-08-2016
I wonder if the new iPhone will have a radio DAB or even VM will do.
mogzyboy
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Under Jobs we had new Macbooks, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the AppleTV and loads of innovation. Since he passed away and Tim Cook has taken over there has really been nothing new, even the phones are just slight variations on last years design.”

This applies to all the major phone manufacturers. There's been nothing to get excited about from any of them for years.

It seems silly just to single out Apple for the stagnation when they're all guilty of it.
Stereo Steve
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“This applies to all the major phone manufacturers. There's been nothing to get excited about from any of them for years.

It seems silly just to single out Apple for the stagnation when they're all guilty of it.”

Would agree with that. The iPhone is still compelling as otherwise you have to endure Android. iOS is still much better in my opinion and there are plenty of people who like the closed eco-system and 'it just works' functionality. My bloody Honor 7 pings at me all the time. What was that? Nothing. Nothing there. What? I want an iPhone again.

A phone is a phone. If I want complicated I'll get a PC. In my view Android need to shut down their OS and lock it down tight.

The fact is that most innovations in mobile tech come out for iOS first. Because it's locked down and it's easier for the networks to roll out. Wifi calling, VoLTE etc.

In my view, until Google sort out the mess that is Android, Apple are in no danger at all. The 7 or whatever it is will sell in millions and the doom-sayers will be wrong as usual.

Perhaps the thing is that the concept of the phone is what needs changing. We've tried watches and that was rubbish. Who knows what the next game changer will be? Did we pray for the internet in the 70's? No. Would we live without it now? No.

Something will come along that will change our lives again and there is no point trying to predict it as it will come from nowhere. Whether Apple will develop it is another matter but the mobile phone format is fixed and reaching the end of it's development curve. What more can we expect it to do?

If anything it will be less of a phone and more of a device to integrate your life with the world and others. It may not take the same form.
Gigabit
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by mogzyboy:
“This applies to all the major phone manufacturers. There's been nothing to get excited about from any of them for years.

It seems silly just to single out Apple for the stagnation when they're all guilty of it.”

I would argue the biggest thing is the consistent reduction in the price of smartphones, that perform amazingly. Look at the OnePlus 3 for example.

But Apple still charge more than double for a phone that essentially performs exactly the same. And they get away with it. It baffles me.
Stereo Steve
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Gigabit:
“I would argue the biggest thing is the consistent reduction in the price of smartphones, that perform amazingly. Look at the OnePlus 3 for example.

But Apple still charge more than double for a phone that essentially performs exactly the same. And they get away with it. It baffles me.”

It's a price you have to pay to not use Android. My next phone will be iOS and I will happily pay that price. Android is heading into Symbian territory these days. It's starting to just not work the more crap is piled onto it. I now hate my Honor 7. Pigging thing. I just want a phone. What is all this crap flashing up all the time about intensive apps and junk? I just want a phone that works and that is an iPhone.
Stig
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Thine Wonk:
“Under Jobs we had new Macbooks, the iPod, the iPhone, the iPad, the AppleTV and loads of innovation. Since he passed away and Tim Cook has taken over there has really been nothing new, even the phones are just slight variations on last years design.”

The idea that Steve Jobs was intimately involved in the R&D and launch of new products is nonsense, especially in his final years. He was just too busy! In large companies the CEO is basically just a figurehead.

Also, Apple never made anything genuinely new; they took an existing market niche and made it better; PC, MP3 player, smartphone, tablet, set top box,

As already stated, the marketplace in general has stagnated. How much innovation can you really put in a phone or a tablet?

Apple have released the Apple Watch since Steve jobs. There have been smart watches before, but Apple massively expanded the market. Interesting article: http://www.cultofmac.com/401429/did-...t-apple-watch/
Faust
24-08-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“It's a price you have to pay to not use Android. My next phone will be iOS and I will happily pay that price. Android is heading into Symbian territory these days. It's starting to just not work the more crap is piled onto it. I now hate my Honor 7. Pigging thing. I just want a phone. What is all this crap flashing up all the time about intensive apps and junk? I just want a phone that works and that is an iPhone.”

Steve the bottom line and someone has to say it - you simply haven't got a clue what you are doing with technology. Android isn't rubbish - it is in fact rather good and this from someone who has had both iOS and Android.

Android is very very user friendly, so much so that I got my pet dog an Android phone and he is happily using it even with paws not fingers.

I would suggest you get your iPhone pretty quickly or failing that go to the newsagents and get the idiots guide to using an Android phone and give us all a break.
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