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iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook
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aurichie
06-09-2016
Originally Posted by CheshireBumpkin:
“Am I right in thinking that there's no expectation that the SE will be revamped or updated tomorrow?”

Correct. It's definitely not getting an update again this year.
Faust
06-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Correct. It's definitely not getting an update again this year.”

Re: the SE - it possibly won't get one at all as it's being seen as a one off release by Apple to simply test the waters re: going back to a smaller screen.
calico_pie
07-09-2016
And has been pretty successful - it won't be updated this year, but it would make sense to keep it for a while yet.

I'm very happy with my SE as an upgrade from 5S. Turns out when I said I preferred smaller screens it was an actual, genuine opinion, and nothing to do with Apple not doing larger screens after all.
Stereo Steve
07-09-2016
I have heard that the SE has been a big success (yes / no?) so while it surely won't get an update this year, it may be that the smaller format stays with the next incarnation in 12 months time. So a 7SE, 7S and 7S Plus?

Probably not in the same boxy 5 style case (which I prefer to be honest) but as said, they want to see if there is a good market for a smaller phone which I think there is, while my eyesight holds out.

It's perfect for me and doesn't make you feel like this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfbSHW9uGA
Faust
07-09-2016
The buzz word currently in the mobile industry is 'evolution not revolution'. That's because the tech advances have slowed right down and in anticipation of that the industry has to manage the publics expectations/frustrations.

This is why when you get a phone launch and the public look glum and say 'is that it' you will get some industry pundit pointing out just how good this or that a somewhat mediocre feature is. In essence they are trying to talk the market up, but in reality not a lot is happening.

It's a saturated market and with the current tech available the avenues for development are limited.
aurichie
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“I have heard that the SE has been a big success (yes / no?) so while it surely won't get an update this year, it may be that the smaller format stays with the next incarnation in 12 months time. So a 7SE, 7S and 7S Plus?

Probably not in the same boxy 5 style case (which I prefer to be honest) but as said, they want to see if there is a good market for a smaller phone which I think there is, while my eyesight holds out.

It's perfect for me and doesn't make you feel like this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKfbSHW9uGA”

A reason why the SE may never be refreshed again is Apple is expected to remove the physical button next year, and will shrink down the bezels. This means the current iPhone 6s would shrink down greatly in your hand, and therefore it could eliminate the need for a smaller SE device.

Of course if Apple is happy hitting the lower price point with the cheaper SE models, and the margins are good enough for them, that would be a reason to spec bump the internals and keep selling.
Stereo Steve
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“A reason why the SE may never be refreshed again is Apple is expected to remove the physical button next year, and will shrink down the bezels. This means the current iPhone 6s would shrink down greatly in your hand, and therefore it could eliminate the need for a smaller SE device.

Of course if Apple is happy hitting the lower price point with the cheaper SE models, and the margins are good enough for them, that would be a reason to spec bump the internals and keep selling.”

I suppose at some point it will look out-dated. Maybe already does but it still retains that 'classic' element which people still feel comfortable with so while that lasts they could probably get away with another incarnation. But I suspect the next small iphone will relate to the current form factor, whatever that may be. As you say, the 6 with no bezel will be pretty much SE sized anyway.
scotch
07-09-2016
My upgrade due in December but due to falling out my pocket and being smashed by several cars my Iphone6 is barely useable. Looking forward to the Iphone 7.

Regardlesss of features etc it will be so good to have a phone that just works
JamieHT
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by scotch:
“My upgrade due in December but due to falling out my pocket and being smashed by several cars my Iphone6 is barely useable. Looking forward to the Iphone 7.

Regardlesss of features etc it will be so good to have a phone that just works ”

Me too. My screen just cracked a few weeks ago for no apparent reason. It is just about useable.

I've got 23GB left on my 128GB iPhone 6 Plus. Now I need to decide whether to go to the 256GB for the next two years.
calico_pie
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“The buzz word currently in the mobile industry is 'evolution not revolution'. That's because the tech advances have slowed right down and in anticipation of that the industry has to manage the publics expectations/frustrations.

This is why when you get a phone launch and the public look glum and say 'is that it' you will get some industry pundit pointing out just how good this or that a somewhat mediocre feature is. In essence they are trying to talk the market up, but in reality not a lot is happening.

It's a saturated market and with the current tech available the avenues for development are limited.”

I disagree that 'evolution not revolution' is a buzzword, or particularly current. Its just the laziest tech journalism cliche that has been getting bandied around for years now.

It gets trotted out with alarming regularity, as though any new phone that isn't somehow revolutionary is a huge disappointment. The market has matured so much now, to the point where we have these incredible little computers in our pockets, that I'm not sure what sort of revolution people are holding out for.

A couple of things that have been touted might be foldable screens, but I really don't see the point. If I'm out and about, I don't really need a weird phone with a folding screen. Or iris recognition to unlock a phone - to me there is no practical advantage over a fingerprint scanner. In fact, holding a phone up to your face to scan your iris would be more of an effort than resting your finger on a scanner as you take it out of your pocket.
Faust
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“I disagree that 'evolution not revolution' is a buzzword, or particularly current. Its just the laziest tech journalism cliche that has been getting bandied around for years now.

It gets trotted out with alarming regularity, as though any new phone that isn't somehow revolutionary is a huge disappointment. The market has matured so much now, to the point where we have these incredible little computers in our pockets, that I'm not sure what sort of revolution people are holding out for.

A couple of things that have been touted might be foldable screens, but I really don't see the point. If I'm out and about, I don't really need a weird phone with a folding screen. Or iris recognition to unlock a phone - to me there is no practical advantage over a fingerprint scanner. In fact, holding a phone up to your face to scan your iris would be more of an effort than resting your finger on a scanner as you take it out of your pocket.”

Your post has left me somewhat confused. You say you disagree with the points I raised in my post then go on to agree with almost everything I said?
FusionFury
07-09-2016
I heard the testers are raving about it. Apparently the word on the street is that it is the best iPhone yet with the biggest changes since the first.
Jimmy_Carter
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“I heard the testers are raving about it. Apparently the word on the street is that it is the best iPhone yet with the biggest changes since the first.”

Dont they always say that?
calico_pie
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“Your post has left me somewhat confused. You say you disagree with the points I raised in my post then go on to agree with almost everything I said? ”

I just meant that it isn't really current, as in a new thing - its been getting used for years. And that I take a buzzword to be more of an actually useful word that might be describe bit more meaningful, whereas 'evolution not revolution' is just some lameass thing that 1001 tech journals trot out because they're too lazy to think of anything else.
darkjedimaster
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy_Carter:
“Dont they always say that?”

Yes and an accidental leak on the Apple website, shows that they have as expected dropped the headphone port. Yes I know that technology is advancing so that one day people will only be using wireless headphones.

Now this is something that I love as I use wireless headphones all the time now, but companies are going to need to put better batteries into their phones as things like Bluetooth are a battery drainer & if you use the combination of your data connection & bluetooth audio at the same time, say streaming from Spotify or other streaming service is going to murder your battery & let's face it Apple batteries do have to be charged on a regular basis, this is fact as my Sister & a number of friends that own various models of the iPhone, all complain about how bad the battery drains.

This isn't a gripe against Apple as there are some Android phones that have equally bad batteries that drain really quickly. I know that some people like to have an individual audio player to their phone, but those days are long gone for me, one device to carry around for Internet, Music, Calls etc etc is all I require.
Faust
07-09-2016
I realise it's probably an age thing but the headphones from all the smartphones I have ever owned are still in their wrappers in the boxes unused. Never once have I had the inclination to use my smartphone to listen to music on the go.

I just use my phone to cast to my Sonos gear around the house.
jonmorris
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“I heard the testers are raving about it. Apparently the word on the street is that it is the best iPhone yet with the biggest changes since the first.”

The first one WAS revolutionary in many ways. Sure, it didn't have everything that came later, but it was a big leap (UI wise) from what else was on the market.

How can Apple have done anything comparable now?
Stig
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by darkjedimaster:
“Yes and an accidental leak on the Apple website, shows that they have as expected dropped the headphone port. Yes I know that technology is advancing so that one day people will only be using wireless headphones.

Now this is something that I love as I use wireless headphones all the time now, but companies are going to need to put better batteries into their phones as things like Bluetooth are a battery drainer & if you use the combination of your data connection & bluetooth audio at the same time, say streaming from Spotify or other streaming service is going to murder your battery & let's face it Apple batteries do have to be charged on a regular basis, this is fact as my Sister & a number of friends that own various models of the iPhone, all complain about how bad the battery drains.

This isn't a gripe against Apple as there are some Android phones that have equally bad batteries that drain really quickly. I know that some people like to have an individual audio player to their phone, but those days are long gone for me, one device to carry around for Internet, Music, Calls etc etc is all I require.”

Bluetooth 4.1 uses very little power. I see no almost impact on my battery life when I use wireless headphones.
anyonefortennis
07-09-2016
When will this be available for pre order? Later today or tomorrow?
Broken Hope
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“When will this be available for pre order? Later today or tomorrow?”

Friday is the usual I think.
anyonefortennis
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by Broken Hope:
“Friday is the usual I think.”

On the Apple website or is there a particular pre-ordering site?
d123
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“On the Apple website or is there a particular pre-ordering site?”

Apple website iirc.
anyonefortennis
07-09-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Apple website iirc.”

ok thanks.
calico_pie
07-09-2016
Its Mario!
swordman
07-09-2016
Seems we could all, luckily, quite happily live without any of this and yet again been living with most of it for a long time.
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