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iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook
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aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“You are a troll. You are a Sky troll as well.

I thought for a while until you actually replied to me, that you were a marketing bot. ”

If I'm a troll then why even bother replying to me? Don't feed the trolls. It's one of the golden rules. Like I said to Dave, if you really think I'm such a terrible contributor - just stick me on ignore and forget about me.

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Right, im gonna correct you here again.

Copycats?

Where do you think the notification center on iOS came from? Oh that's right!! Ripped right out of Android and a piss poor attempt made as well. Apple have ripped things out of Android for years, yet when Samsung made a phone years ago, they apparently copied Apple because it had round edges Even the evidence apple produced was doctored to try and prove it.
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There are certainly things Apple has implemented that may have been partially inspired by Android. There's no point getting into who ripped off who arguments, because we are never going to agree. It's why I don't go there. I was just giving an example to underscore an entirely different point. I wasn't looking to stir the actual argument.

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Yet now, Samsung have the best looking phone out to date, The S7 Edge. That looks nothing like an iphone!!”

Tastes differ. I don't think it looks particularly appealing. and I've never come close to thinking it may be quite nice to own that beautifully designed Samsung phone. I much prefer Sony designs, and if I was buying Android on looks alone I'd be buying a Sony without a doubt.

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I havent once said an iphone is crap. What i am doing is quashing the utter BS you keep spouting. You then bring in the Note 7 issue and start speaking BS about that as well. ”

I joined in a discussion that was already ongoing. I'm not very interested in the Note 7 stuff, but I have my opinions and I shared some of them. I honestly would be concerned about flying atm with people who are carrying them and not getting them replaced. Whether that's fair or not probably depends on your view of the mobile world. But that's my honest take on it.

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Not at all, like i said above, i'm merely quashing the BS.”

If you feel it necessary then okay. I have no interest in what people are saying about the iPhone in any of the Android threads. I have no interest in trying to correct these people. Why? Because I know they are never going to agree with me. It's pointless. They are going to carry on spreading their misinformation regardless.

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“When it comes to mobiles, yes you are and won't see past them. The way you speak about them and Sky is just weird. I have Sky Q and when you talk about it is just, well, weird!. It's verging on crap with basic faults still not fixed since launch, yet you think it's the second coming!! ”

I haven't experienced any issues with Sky Q personally. If I had run into annoyances, I certainly would post about them. I have complained about stuff I thought Sky were doing wrong - especially the red button stuff they did to try and drive broadband sales during the big Sky Sports 5 activation push. I hated it because even after doing the so-called activation you still saw red button pop ups on the screen.

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“I would agree.”

It's an easy thing to agree on, but after all that's been said this morning I'm glad we can agree on something.
jonmorris
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Bit of a general phone question here, but can anyone advise on tips to save the life of the battery, particularly in the iPhone? I've just had to get a new battery put in my iPhone. I charge it overnight every single night. Also, whenever I charge it I quite often leave it plugged in still even when it's at 100%. Are these things that end up killing the battery? I heard that you should unplug your phone as soon as it's fully charged.”

No, bar design defects (Note 7) a battery will take power only when it needs it - so you can keep it on charge as long as you like.

There's no memory effect, although there is a maximum number of charge cycles (empty to full) but I don't think anyone keeps a device long enough for that to become an issue these days.. it's usually around 2 to 3 years of 0-100% charging, which is unlikely.
aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Master Ozzy:
“Bit of a general phone question here, but can anyone advise on tips to save the life of the battery, particularly in the iPhone? I've just had to get a new battery put in my iPhone. I charge it overnight every single night. Also, whenever I charge it I quite often leave it plugged in still even when it's at 100%. Are these things that end up killing the battery? I heard that you should unplug your phone as soon as it's fully charged.”

I try to avoid letting my devices discharge below 40% whenever possible. I top them back up to 100% when I can, and then use them normally. I never keep them plugged in unnecessarily to keep them at 100%. But I believe Apple has technology that protects batteries from being harmed when still plugged in at 100% - it basically discharges them a bit and then lets them top up.

Advice keeps changing as battery technology improves so it's possible what I'm doing is no longer sensible. But I've applied the same to my MacBook Pro, and the battery is still rated at 95% capacity after more than 2 years of use. And all my iPhone batteries appear to be in pretty good shape after years of use. For the Mac I use an application called "FruitJuice" that advises me when to plug and unplug to help protect the battery.

As long as you are running your iPhone on battery some of the day, you'll be fine. There are apps you can get for iPhone to check your battery is not defective, and is in good health. It's always possible the last battery you had was defective, and you did absolutely nothing wrong.
Stiggles
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“If I'm a troll then why even bother replying to me? Don't feed the trolls. It's one of the golden rules. Like I said to Dave, if you really think I'm such a terrible contributor - just stick me on ignore and forget about me.”

In my years here, i only have 2 people on block. I don't add people to that willy nilly. I will try to debate first.

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“There are certainly things Apple has implemented that may have been partially inspired by Android. There's no point getting into who ripped off who arguments, because we are never going to agree. It's why I don't go there. I was just giving an example to underscore an entirely different point. I wasn't looking to stir the actual argument.”

Partially? No! Just ripped right out with a piss poor effort made with it! There is no argument about it. Apple have ripped off a lot of Android.

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“Tastes differ. I don't think it looks particularly appealing. and I've never come close to thinking it may be quite nice to own that beautifully designed Samsung phone. I much prefer Sony designs, and if I was buying Android on looks alone I'd be buying a Sony without a doubt.”

Yes they do, but it's well renowned as the best looking phone period and at least changes unlike the iphone!

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“I joined in a discussion that was already ongoing. I'm not very interested in the Note 7 stuff, but I have my opinions and I shared some of them. I honestly would be concerned about flying atm with people who are carrying them and not getting them replaced. Whether that's fair or not probably depends on your view of the mobile world. But that's my honest take on it.”

What you shared sadly was nonsense though based on your own veiled opinion of Samsung.

Yes, i'm on a flight in a few weeks and am worried about it. I'm not worried about it because of samsung. I'm worried about it because of the idiots who havent taken any notice of a recall.

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“If you feel it necessary then okay. I have no interest in what people are saying about the iPhone in any of the Android threads. I have no interest in trying to correct these people. Why? Because I know they are never going to agree with me. It's pointless. They are going to carry on spreading their misinformation regardless.”

That tends not to happen in Android threads until an iphone nut comes in and then it does.

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“I haven't experienced any issues with Sky Q personally. If I had run into annoyances, I certainly would post about them. I have complained about stuff I thought Sky were doing wrong - especially the red button stuff they did to try and drive broadband sales during the big Sky Sports 5 activation push. I hated it because even after doing the so-called activation you still saw red button pop ups on the screen.”

You havent? No HDMI control issues nearly everyone has? No audio dropouts when watching anything in Dolby Digital that everyone has which can only be turned off when putting the audio to standard stereo? If not lucky you!

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“It's an easy thing to agree on, but after all that's been said this morning I'm glad we can agree on something. ”

Agreed again.
Gigabit
19-09-2016
So the trolls defend the trolls and they continue on trolling.

The iPhone 7 is a good phone, it is not a gift from God.
jonmorris
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“I try to avoid letting my devices discharge below 40% whenever possible. I top them back up to 100% when I can, and then use them normally. I never keep them plugged in unnecessarily to keep them at 100%. But I believe Apple has technology that protects batteries from being harmed when still plugged in at 100% - it basically discharges them a bit and then lets them top up.

Advice keeps changing as battery technology improves so it's possible what I'm doing is no longer sensible. But I've applied the same to my MacBook Pro, and the battery is still rated at 95% capacity after more than 2 years of use. And all my iPhone batteries appear to be in pretty good shape after years of use. For the Mac I use an application called "FruitJuice" that advises me when to plug and unplug to help protect the battery.”

No need to worry about it getting to 0% as it doesn't actually ever get there.. the phone switches off before (wait, what, the battery meter on the phone might lie to you?!). Trickle charging is a must for the last bit of battery charging, and what happens is the battery stops calling for power - then when the battery falls to a determined amount, it takes power again. It's automatic.

You say that Apple has technology, but it's the battery doing the clever stuff. Get that wrong and, well, you can see what happens - as has happened recently with the Note 7 and has happened on many other phones in the past, including iPhones. Just that then it's usually a defect on one or two batteries, rather than an inherent production defect.

Apple isn't yet doing fast charging or wireless charging, so maybe it can't quite perfect the charging technology yet? Maybe next year?
aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“No need to worry about it getting to 0% as it doesn't actually ever get there.. the phone switches off before (wait, what, the battery meter on the phone might lie to you?!). Trickle charging is a must for the last bit of battery charging, and what happens is the battery stops calling for power - then when the battery falls to a determined amount, it takes power again. It's automatic.

You say that Apple has technology, but it's the battery doing the clever stuff. Get that wrong and, well, you can see what happens - as has happened recently with the Note 7 and has happened on many other phones in the past, including iPhones. Just that then it's usually a defect on one or two batteries, rather than an inherent production defect.

Apple isn't yet doing fast charging or wireless charging, so maybe it can't quite perfect the charging technology yet? Maybe next year?”

Like I said, I like to try and keep mine above 40% and then recharge it. I was always told running it down to zero (or close to zero) and keep recharging was very harmful to batteries. I guess, and I am guessing here, this is because charging above a higher threshold avoids continuously hitting a full charge cycle once or more times a day - and the full cycles are limited to say 1,000? The smaller top up charges don't really count as much towards the 1,000 limit?
daveh75
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
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Apple isn't yet doing fast charging or wireless charging, so maybe it can't quite perfect the charging technology yet? Maybe next year?”

Makes you wonder if/when Apple implements Wireless charging, they'll go completely portless...

I'm sure they'll come up with some equally pretentious BS spin like having 'courage' to justify it if they do.
Stereo Steve
19-09-2016
I think I would rather my phone exploded than went on fire. An explosion is unlikely to result in a fire whereas a fire usually results in a fire.

Now, standing next to it, going on fire would be better as you would just notice that your phone had gone on fire and throw it over a hedge whereas an explosion might require parts of your phone to be removed from your face.

But, unattended, an explosion would be better as a fire can do way more damage to your home and family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OaqxIXs_mn4
jonmorris
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Like I said, I like to try and keep mine above 40% and then recharge it. I was always told running it down to zero (or close to zero) and keep recharging was very harmful to batteries.”

Who told you that? The battery will shut down before it stands any chance of being damaged. You don't need to worry about it.

Do you believe everything you're told?! That would be somewhat damaging when watching a keynote if you took all the sales pitch talk as gospel!
aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Who told you that? The battery will shut down before it stands any chance of being damaged. You don't need to worry about it.

Do you believe everything you're told?! That would be somewhat damaging when watching a keynote if you took all the sales pitch talk as gospel!”

I worry about extending the life of the battery as much as possible. Whether I'm doing the right thing or not, clearly you know. But I'm still going to stick to my approach until I see actual evidence that it's not working for me. My use of "very harmful" was a poor choice of words though. Because really my understanding of the consequences really means just getting the expected life out of the battery, and that is in no way very harmful obviously.

I'd be interested in hearing why my general thought about trying to limit charge cycles is wrong. Does topping up more regularly at say 50%-75% still effectively lead to the same number of charge cycles being incremented upwards? Or does it help extend the life of the battery by keeping the number of charge cycles down?

My understanding is if you run down to say 12% and then charge it back to 100% that counts as a 1 charge cycle. But if you top up at say 68% to 100% that doesn't increment the cycle count.
calico_pie
19-09-2016
If that were really the case, then that would mean the battery could last forever, which doesn't sound likely.

Presumably charging from 68% > 100% doesn't count as a cycle.

But charging from 68% > 100% three times would count as one cycle.
jonmorris
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“If that were really the case, then that would mean the battery could last forever, which doesn't sound likely.

Presumably charging from 68% > 100% doesn't count as a cycle.

But charging from 68% > 100% three times would count as one cycle.”

Correct.
aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“If that were really the case, then that would mean the battery could last forever, which doesn't sound likely.

Presumably charging from 68% > 100% doesn't count as a cycle.

But charging from 68% > 100% three times would count as one cycle.”

I think the latter increments the count far less. I'm sure it does gradually degrade it, nothing lasts forever, but it doesn't hit the battery health anything like as hard as the full cycle charges.

I have a Late 2013 Retina MacBook Pro here that shows only 149 of 1000 charge cycles. Battery health is rated at 95%. And I use it on battery a fair amount for getting on for three years. The battery is definitely very good. It can still easily last for 8-9 hours on a full battery charge when I want it to, which I think demonstrates if you take steps to look after your batteries they can last longer than simply running them down and recharging all the time. I think 8-9 hours is around the spec it was quoted as being able to run for when I bought it, so pretty amazing really.
Faust
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“10 hours use spread over 2 days is how they achieved that claim.

Both my iPhone 6s Plus and iPhone 7s Plus can go way beyond 10 hours use without a recharge. So using the Sony formula, yes easily two day battery life.
”

I better start recharging my Xperia every night then as according to you it won't got beyond 10 hours - utter tosh.

What can the iPhone 7 allegedly achieve then?
aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I better start recharging my Xperia every night then as according to you it won't got beyond 10 hours - utter tosh.

What can the iPhone 7 allegedly achieve then?”

If you manage to sit there for 10 hours a day using apps with the screen on then yes.

Don't worry about what the iPhone can allegedly do. You're never going to believe it, so don't pretend to be interested.
Stiggles
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“If you manage to sit there for 10 hours a day using apps with the screen on then yes.

Don't worry about what the iPhone can allegedly do. You're never going to believe it, so don't pretend to be interested.”

Actually, it might not!

There has been reports of iOS10 killing the battery on the 7. So at the moment till that's sorted, i would take the 10 hours with a pinch of salt.

But compared to other phones, the 7's battery life isn't all that brilliant. It's on par with most now.
aurichie
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Actually, it might not!

There has been reports of iOS10 killing the battery on the 7. So at the moment till that's sorted, i would take the 10 hours with a pinch of salt.

But compared to other phones, the 7's battery life isn't all that brilliant. It's on par with most now.”

Most of the reports I have seen are complaints about iOS 10 reducing battery life on the older devices. Which does sometimes happen, especially early on when various maintenance tasks are triggered in the background after a major OS upgrade.
Stereo Steve
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Actually, it might not!

There has been reports of iOS10 killing the battery on the 7. So at the moment till that's sorted, i would take the 10 hours with a pinch of salt.

But compared to other phones, the 7's battery life isn't all that brilliant. It's on par with most now.”

Better than the battery killing the user I suppose. Hobson's choice.
Stiggles
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Better than the battery killing the user I suppose. Hobson's choice.”

Yet that's never happened has it?
Stiggles
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Most of the reports I have seen are complaints about iOS 10 reducing battery life on the older devices. Which does sometimes happen, especially early on when various maintenance tasks are triggered in the background after a major OS upgrade.”

No, it's on all iphones. Not just older ones. There are fixes though by turning things off or something.

Has anyone here got a hissing iphone 7 or plus?
Stereo Steve
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Yet that's never happened has it?”

Who would know? The battery involved would probably have the skills to cover anything up. Melt it with acid and that. Like the note 7 does to people.
Stiggles
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Who would know? The battery involved would probably have the skills to cover anything up. Melt it with acid and that. Like the note 7 does to people.”

Riiiight.......
LegendaryAced
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“No, it's on all iphones. Not just older ones. There are fixes though by turning things off or something.

Has anyone here got a hissing iphone 7 or plus?”

Yes. Also, my device's hissing bleeds in video recordings. Apple Store ordered a replacement for me. It will take a couple of weeks and meanwhile they let me use the 'hissing' one, which I was happy to accept.
jonmorris
19-09-2016
Maybe it's the battery venting so it doesn't 'explode'.

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