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iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook
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Stiggles
19-09-2016
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“Airpods review

A review of Apples pricey Bluetooth earphones (Airpods) reveals that the sound quality is mediocre and they aren't worth the money. Plus if you own an Android phone and want to try them they will work.

https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/19/...s-mini-review/”

They sound pretty much the same as the normal pods apparently which are garbage.
Everything Goes
20-09-2016
The factories in China that produce the iPhones are still having problems with awful working conditions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ty-vast-profit
jonmorris
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
“The factories in China that produce the iPhones are still having problems with awful working conditions.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ty-vast-profit”

The thing is, people don't really care. They might say they do, but they still buy an iPhone, shop at Primark, buy cheap milk from a supermarket etc.

I can understand why though, just as people don't like to see how animals are treated before they get slaughtered for our food.

What is disappointing is that a company with such huge profit margins doesn't reward staff better. If anyone ever says they'd be willing to pay a few pence more for something to improve working conditions, Apple (and others) still wouldn't pass that extra money on.

Apple seems addicted to building a cash pile that is so far beyond what is necessary, it's almost funny. For some time it didn't want to pay dividends, and doesn't seem to give to charity.

Yet customers never seem to think that this money comes from them paying £919 for a flagship phone or £160 from some average wireless headphones. There's a belief that most of the money was for the parts, R&D, marketing etc.

Clearly the accounts show most of it is just more cash in the bank.
jonmorris
20-09-2016
Also, what possessed Apple to make the jet black colour?

http://www.theverge.com/circuitbreak...lack-scratches

Let's hope next time they perfect a production technique that makes it more durable and scratch (sorry, micro abrasion) resistant.
kidspud
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“The thing is, people don't really care. They might say they do, but they still buy an iPhone, shop at Primark, buy cheap milk from a supermarket etc.

I can understand why though, just as people don't like to see how animals are treated before they get slaughtered for our food.

What is disappointing is that a company with such huge profit margins doesn't reward staff better. If anyone ever says they'd be willing to pay a few pence more for something to improve working conditions, Apple (and others) still wouldn't pass that extra money on.

Apple seems addicted to building a cash pile that is so far beyond what is necessary, it's almost funny. For some time it didn't want to pay dividends, and doesn't seem to give to charity.

Yet customers never seem to think that this money comes from them paying £919 for a flagship phone or £160 from some average wireless headphones. There's a belief that most of the money was for the parts, R&D, marketing etc.

Clearly the accounts show most of it is just more cash in the bank.”

Unfortunately despite making a very valid point the article once again tries to blame the wrong people. In the example given one thing that needs to be remembered is that those manufacturers are not exclusive to Apple. So are we asking Apple alone to solve problems which every phone supplier benefits from?

In addition, and something you pointed out, everyone uses products for which they do not know the working conditions of the people making them. It would not be practical to know the working conditions so the only answer is not to hand the problem to one company in the supply chain but to solve the issue at government level through regulations.

Either the Chinese government or individual countries markets are where these issues would get resolved. The EU (and soon to be the UK) could refuse to take products from these manufacturers until they sort there problems out.
anyonefortennis
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Unfortunately despite making a very valid point the article once again tries to blame the wrong people. In the example given one thing that needs to be remembered is that those manufacturers are not exclusive to Apple. So are we asking Apple alone to solve problems which every phone supplier benefits from?

In addition, and something you pointed out, everyone uses products for which they do not know the working conditions of the people making them. It would not be practical to know the working conditions so the only answer is not to hand the problem to one company in the supply chain but to solve the issue at government level through regulations.

Either the Chinese government or individual countries markets are where these issues would get resolved. The EU (and soon to be the UK) could refuse to take products from these manufacturers until they sort there problems out.”

Or move the manufacturing back to America and get the many people out of work in the south and other parts of the country back in work. At least working condition would be more regulated in America. It's not as if Apple can't afford it.
kidspud
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by anyonefortennis:
“Or move the manufacturing back to America and get the many people out of work in the south and other parts of the country back in work. At least working condition would be more regulated in America. It's not as if Apple can't afford it.”

Where a company chooses to manufacture is entirely upto them. Not sure how that solves the problems highlighted.
anyonefortennis
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Where a company chooses to manufacture is entirely upto them. Not sure how that solves the problems highlighted.”

Of course it solves the problems highlighted as no company in America would be allowed to get away with the working conditions they endure in China.
daveh75
20-09-2016
I see they've also got a s/w bug with the Lighting EarPods that causes the volume control, ability to answer calls, and activate Sirii to stop working
http://www.businessinsider.com/apple...-update-2016-9
LegendaryAced
20-09-2016
My device is affected by 2G interference too. I spoke about it with a friend who is an engineer and we speculated what could be the root cause for that interference.

It seems that there is some kind of leak from the antenna to the camera's microphone (between the camera and led). This is definitely a defect, but as I already mentioned, Apple has ordered a replacement for me.

We also discussed the hissing being recorded in videos (possibly audio recording too). If this is coming because of the processor using too much power, they could force the CPU to low levels while recording. It is not the best solution, but it is something.
jonmorris
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Unfortunately despite making a very valid point the article once again tries to blame the wrong people. In the example given one thing that needs to be remembered is that those manufacturers are not exclusive to Apple. So are we asking Apple alone to solve problems which every phone supplier benefits from?

In addition, and something you pointed out, everyone uses products for which they do not know the working conditions of the people making them. It would not be practical to know the working conditions so the only answer is not to hand the problem to one company in the supply chain but to solve the issue at government level through regulations.

Either the Chinese government or individual countries markets are where these issues would get resolved. The EU (and soon to be the UK) could refuse to take products from these manufacturers until they sort there problems out.”

Indeed, the problem is down to the factories making said products - but surely every company has a duty to make sure they play a part when they are in control of who they use?

Apple can't claim it has to cut costs to be profitable, which smaller firms could. Not that it excuses any of them, but at least you could see why a £99 budget phone with premium specs is going to have a tiny profit margin. Apple has a very large profit margin (especially for the middle to top-end spec versions of any given device, from an iPhone through to iMac).

Apple is very fortunate, like a lot of premium brands, that it can sell for a premium. That gives it a lot of profit to play with, but Apple seems to just like throwing it into the bank. It means nobody can ever say that paying more will improve working conditions, just as I'm sure offering to pay more income tax doesn't mean we get a better health service - just someone being able to line their pockets a bit more.
Stuart_h
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by kidspud:
“Unfortunately despite making a very valid point the article once again tries to blame the wrong people. In the example given one thing that needs to be remembered is that those manufacturers are not exclusive to Apple. So are we asking Apple alone to solve problems which every phone supplier benefits from?

In addition, and something you pointed out, everyone uses products for which they do not know the working conditions of the people making them. It would not be practical to know the working conditions so the only answer is not to hand the problem to one company in the supply chain but to solve the issue at government level through regulations.

Either the Chinese government or individual countries markets are where these issues would get resolved. The EU (and soon to be the UK) could refuse to take products from these manufacturers until they sort there problems out.”

And this is the standard answer. It doesn't matter because other people do it. Apple have a massive cash reserve. They take a higher percentage of profit (allegedly) per handset than most other firms. They promote themselves as a caring company (especially with their latest recycling push). Should they not be leading the way with improving life for production line workers ? They could actually make a difference and lose only a few pence per handset. But they don't. Instead they choose to stockpile money and pay as little tax on it as they can. Whatever way you look at it they are not an ethical company. Does the fact that some other firms aren't either make it OK or is that just an excuse for people to hide behind so they don't feel quite as bad ?
jonmorris
20-09-2016
Perhaps Apple is just waiting for a time when the entire production can be automated, including the final assembly, quality assurance, packing into a lorry, even the driving of said lorry.

Amazon and Ocado are working hard to get rid of all picking staff in their huge warehouses, to the point where the only people left will be those overseeing the robots and a few dozen people to load crates into lorries (which, for now, are driven by real people - but on a deadline and probably paid as little as possible).

We all seem to want this for cheaper goods, even goods that aren't actually cheap.

I favour capitalism over communism, but we've let something go wrong somewhere along the way and I have to think it's easier to blame the companies than ourselves for allowing it.

If people stood up and threatened to boycott a company (and followed through if necessary), things would change. Apple wouldn't go out of business, it would improve working conditions.

When people called out Apple on its terrible environmental impact, the company saw the problem (negative PR impacting sales) and improved. But will people stand up and say they won't buy a new iPhone until Apple pays workers more and stop them wanting to jump off a roof?

Tesco now advertises that it pays farmers a fair price for milk. We can perhaps argue about what that price is, but it knows it's positive PR to do so. Apple should be thinking of the benefits of standing ahead of the competition, and giving us all a reason to pay more for an iPhone than a cheaper Chinese or Korean made phone.
LegendaryAced
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Perhaps Apple is just waiting for a time when the entire production can be automated, including the final assembly, quality assurance, packing into a lorry, even the driving of said lorry.

Amazon and Ocado are working hard to get rid of all picking staff in their huge warehouses, to the point where the only people left will be those overseeing the robots and a few dozen people to load crates into lorries (which, for now, are driven by real people - but on a deadline and probably paid as little as possible).

We all seem to want this for cheaper goods, even goods that aren't actually cheap.

I favour capitalism over communism, but we've let something go wrong somewhere along the way and I have to think it's easier to blame the companies than ourselves for allowing it.”

I understand your concern and you are right, I agree.
However, I think that the assembly process should be 100% automated, reducing defects at minimum. I don't know if my case is caused because of the assembly or a defective part. Why not eliminate chances of faulty devices that were caused while assembling?
jonmorris
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by LegendaryAced:
“I understand your concern and you are right, I agree.
However, I think that the assembly process should be 100% automated, reducing defects at minimum. I don't know if my case is caused because of the assembly or a defective part. Why not eliminate chances of faulty devices that were caused while assembling?”

It's certainly what the manufacturing industries think, and you're right - machines are less likely to make mistakes - but it comes at a huge cost in terms of employment.

So we accept that for decades automation has replaced jobs, so it's nothing new, and we go and work in the services industries. Problem is, they're being automated too. In fact, automating these industries might be even easier to implement.

We now have AI to deal with customer issues, to write generic news stories and so on.

One day, nobody will have a job to be able to afford an iPhone so where does it go from there?!
Grayburn
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I better start recharging my Xperia every night then as according to you it won't got beyond 10 hours - utter tosh.

What can the iPhone 7 allegedly achieve then?”

Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Actually, it might not!

There has been reports of iOS10 killing the battery on the 7. So at the moment till that's sorted, i would take the 10 hours with a pinch of salt.

But compared to other phones, the 7's battery life isn't all that brilliant. It's on par with most now.”

Originally Posted by aurichie:
“If you manage to sit there for 10 hours a day using apps with the screen on then yes.

Don't worry about what the iPhone can allegedly do. You're never going to believe it, so don't pretend to be interested.”

I remembered this part of thread last night and I thought I'd grab a screenshot, almost 10 hours of usage on my 7.

http://i68.tinypic.com/27zjmvk.png
daveh75
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“We now have AI to deal with customer issues, to write generic news stories and so on.

One day, nobody will have a job to be able to afford an iPhone so where does it go from there?!”

In a number of countries they've been looking at, and have been some small scale trials/studies of the 'Basic Income' model.
Stiggles
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Grayburn:
“I remembered this part of thread last night and I thought I'd grab a screenshot, almost 10 hours of usage on my 7.

http://i68.tinypic.com/27zjmvk.png”

Not bad. My Xperia Z5 can do that with ease though!!
aurichie
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Not bad. My Xperia Z5 can do that with ease though!!”

Which Z5 do you have? Z5, Z5 Premium or Z5 Compact?
Grayburn
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Not bad. My Xperia Z5 can do that with ease though!!”

Well it's good enough for me and that's all that matters.
aurichie
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Grayburn:
“Well it's good enough for me and that's all that matters.”

Are you using an iPhone 7 or 7 Plus?
Grayburn
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by aurichie:
“Are you using an iPhone 7 or 7 Plus?”

A 128GB 7, did want the Plus but the wait was too long.
Grayburn
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Not bad. My Xperia Z5 can do that with ease though!!”

There was also 2 hours of GPS tracking with Strava on my ride/work commute, maybe it would've gone over 10 hours or more without that.
aurichie
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Grayburn:
“There was also 2 hours of GPS tracking with Strava on my ride/work commute, maybe it would've gone over 10 hours or more without that.”

That's nothing. Apparently these miraculous Xperia's can run for 2 days straight at full brightness, streaming video over 4G with the audio at maximum for the entire time while you jog across Britain with GPS tracking on. By the end of all that, you'll still have 20% battery left at least.
Stiggles
20-09-2016
Originally Posted by Grayburn:
“Well it's good enough for me and that's all that matters.”

Indeed it is
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