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iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook
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jonmorris
12-05-2016
I don't see them taking off, as we can see with our own eyes.

In my world I see people at events with them, but outside the tech bubble I generally don't. I saw the odd Apple watch last year but not now. I bet a few have been replaced with an ordinary watch.

My needs are minor. My Pebble has an always on watch face and I enjoy changing them, even creating my own. I get notifications to help me decide if I need to get my phone out, and it tracks my movement and sleep.

I don't run apps on it. No need to with a powerful phone in my pocket.

I don't think Pebble has sold great numbers outside of the tech world or anyone else. Not even Apple, which would be doing more with it if it was as successful as hoped.
Stereo Steve
12-05-2016
I must say, the worst thing about Android for a simpleton like me is memory cards. Mine works OK but it keeps asking where I want to store things and most times, I am in no fit state to answer that. Just store it and give it me back.

Yes, iphones have been tight on storage and the next one I get will be the max storage model. But I don't like the separate model either. Would rather pay more for a phone that had plenty of storage in future, whether Apple or Android.

As to smart watches. I assume they will go the same way as digital and calculator watches. Remember them? If I buy a watch I want it to tell me the time. It's like trousers. They just have a job to do.

Weather trousers anyone? Stock market trousers. You don't want that. You might think you do but it would end badly.
Stereo Steve
13-05-2016
Oh. Would like a back button please.

I gather I can re-create one by casting my left nipple across the screen under a full moon.

Give us a Back Button Apple. Makes me feel all fuzzy and warm.
Stiggles
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Ive seen problems with cards from all the brands including Sandisk, Kingston, Toshiba, Samsung and Lexar (as well as the OEM's that come preinstalled).



Many apps won't move though, including all the Google apps I've tried to. Not to mention, certain versions of Android don't allow any apps to move...”

Yeah some apps dont move, but thats down to developers, not Android. Indeed some Android versions didn't allow it. It does now.

But again, the main reasons for SD cards isnt apps. Its videos and pictures.
Stereo Steve
13-05-2016
I mean imagine if you had stock market trousers and you were long on the Nas or the Dow and you are waiting to see the duty planning officer in your local council office. At the exact moment he gets off the phone and comes to discuss you proposed conservatory, the US cuts the IR and the Dow goes through the roof.

What effect is that going to have on your stock market trousers? How is the duty planning officer going to react? Is he even trained for that?

You have to be careful what you wish for.
alanwarwic
13-05-2016
Music for me with regards to micro SD cards.

My 64GB card is 3/4 full of mp3 music. Sandisk have their 200GB card whilst Samsung release their 256GB card next month.
binary
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“I mean imagine if you had stock market trousers and you were long on the Nas or the Dow and you are waiting to see the duty planning officer in your local council office. At the exact moment he gets off the phone and comes to discuss you proposed conservatory, the US cuts the IR and the Dow goes through the roof.

What effect is that going to have on your stock market trousers? How is the duty planning officer going to react? Is he even trained for that?

You have to be careful what you wish for.”

Brilliant!

Whole new potential avenues in human resources training would open up...
Anika Hanson
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“Yeah some apps dont move, but thats down to developers, not Android. Indeed some Android versions didn't allow it. It does now.

But again, the main reasons for SD cards isnt apps. Its videos and pictures.”

16GB or even 32GB is not enough for apps for me. I need more space. I've only ever used sandisk cards but I have had a fair few become corrupt. I've also mistakenly left one in a phone when I sold it. I wiped the phone but completely forgot to remove the SD card. Luckily there was nothing personal on there just music and lots of ripped DVDs.

I just find SD cards messy. Not only as the poster said that some apps can't be moved but for some apps only part of the app gets moved to the SD card whilst part remains on the internal memory which o find messy. Internal storage is also faster.

So personally buying more internal storage is the best solution for me.
Anika Hanson
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I don't see them taking off, as we can see with our own eyes.

In my world I see people at events with them, but outside the tech bubble I generally don't. I saw the odd Apple watch last year but not now. I bet a few have been replaced with an ordinary watch.

My needs are minor. My Pebble has an always on watch face and I enjoy changing them, even creating my own. I get notifications to help me decide if I need to get my phone out, and it tracks my movement and sleep.

I don't run apps on it. No need to with a powerful phone in my pocket.

I don't think Pebble has sold great numbers outside of the tech world or anyone else. Not even Apple, which would be doing more with it if it was as successful as hoped.”

I'm not sure about smart watches becoming mainstream, however now I do see quite a few Apple watches when out and about, say in my local town or in restaurants or shops. Many more than when it first launched. I probably also see android wear/ pebble watches frequently but I'm not familiar with how they look.
Resonance
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Oh. Would like a back button please.

I gather I can re-create one by casting my left nipple across the screen under a full moon.

Give us a Back Button Apple. Makes me feel all fuzzy and warm.”

What, you mean there isn't one
clonmult
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“I don't see them taking off, as we can see with our own eyes.

In my world I see people at events with them, but outside the tech bubble I generally don't. I saw the odd Apple watch last year but not now. I bet a few have been replaced with an ordinary watch.

My needs are minor. My Pebble has an always on watch face and I enjoy changing them, even creating my own. I get notifications to help me decide if I need to get my phone out, and it tracks my movement and sleep.

I don't run apps on it. No need to with a powerful phone in my pocket.

I don't think Pebble has sold great numbers outside of the tech world or anyone else. Not even Apple, which would be doing more with it if it was as successful as hoped.”

I barely see any of them, and I'm working at a telco .... Tend to see more people wearing fitness trackers, Adidas band, Fitbit, etc.

The fitness tracking aspect of these devices is a huge problem for me - they're really rather sucky. Any with an optical HRM can't accurately track your heart rate (I despite the Apple Watch advert showing people rowing and using the watch - it cannot do anything useful for you whilst rowing - the HRM will be widlly out).

Even though smart watches have been around for quite a while (remember the SE/Fossil watches?), they're only useful for basic notifications. Apps on a watch are really not great. There's a reason why larger screen phones tend to be selling better.
jonmorris
13-05-2016
The sensors on the Pebble are fairly basic, but I don't need to worry about accuracy too much (the same with all fitness wearables) as long as there's consistency so I can still see I've done more or less walking/jogging one day than the next.

The sleep monitoring is extremely accurate, although perhaps more for overall sleeping time than light/deep sleep monitoring.

I am happy enough, as I don't feel the need for the type of tracking that some people want (and what Apple claims to be able to offer despite the problem you've mentioned).

A nice simple watch is all I want. I love being able to have a customised display (I'd have that even without any of the other features!) and notifications are great. A quick subtle glance and I can think 'not important' or 'ah, the email has arrived at last!').

Back to memory cards, I've had one memory card fail - a Lexar one. I wrote a damning review on Amazon and got lots of thumbs up from potential customers, or other 'victims'. I can say that of all the Sandisk cards I've had (all genuine, I might add!) I've never had a problem.

But I am not too worried about a memory card going wrong, as I always have my data backed up anyway. Contacts, calendar, email etc - all online anyway. Photos and video, backed up to Photos as soon as I've taken them. App data is taken care of by Google, and these days most services have your data synced in the cloud anyway.

It enables me to have 10+ devices on the go at any one time (in addition to a main daily driver) and swap and change with ease. And if my daily driver was lost or stolen, I'd be back up and running fairly quick - just the need to re-download my apps, sync my data and done.

My memory card is to add storage. There's nothing mission critical on there, for the simple reason that I am sure my phone is more likely to get lost or stolen than the card breaking. And if it did fail, the warranty would give me a free replacement and I'd just restore my data again.
calico_pie
13-05-2016
With SD cards, I guess its just not something that most people are bothered by. maybe on a forum like this with more power users it crops up more. But most people probably just never find themselves needing so much memory.

With Smart watches, I think they might take off more when they have really compelling use cases that make something less of a pain than it already is. . Obviously first world problems, but I think things like opening doors, or making contactless payments will be the sorts of things that really help it them take of. Just being able to do something that little bit easier with something on your wrist, than it otherwise would be.

Although I suppose with something like locks, you would need new locks (obviously), which might make it a bigger barrier.

Health is a big area - I love my Fitbit, but have never considered anything more watch like, including the Apple watch. The Fitbit does what it does very well, rather than trying to do a lot of things that it maybe doesn't do so well.
jonmorris
13-05-2016
Tapping a watch against a lock to open it might be a good idea. Probably more so than making a payment in a shop, or tapping in to a gate to enter/leave a station (especially as readers are on the right and I wear my watch on my left arm).

I'm not convinced wearables will ever really become mainstream. It's a case of selling the idea to people who have an existing watch that might need a new battery every year or two (or never!) and selling to people who don't even wear a watch and may have never worn one!
Stiggles
13-05-2016
Originally Posted by Anika Hanson:
“16GB or even 32GB is not enough for apps for me. I need more space. I've only ever used sandisk cards but I have had a fair few become corrupt. I've also mistakenly left one in a phone when I sold it. I wiped the phone but completely forgot to remove the SD card. Luckily there was nothing personal on there just music and lots of ripped DVDs.

I just find SD cards messy. Not only as the poster said that some apps can't be moved but for some apps only part of the app gets moved to the SD card whilst part remains on the internal memory which o find messy. Internal storage is also faster.

So personally buying more internal storage is the best solution for me.”

16 or 32gb isn't enough for just apps? Exactly how many thousand apps do you have on your phone? Internal memory is faster, but on a phone you will never see the speed difference between the 2.

Its not messy at all. You keep the apps on the onboard storage and use the SD card for music, pics and videos.
calico_pie
14-05-2016
There's a certain irony in you questioning how much storage someone needs for apps, whilst - I assume - extolling the virtues of SD cards for people who might need more storage for things other than apps.

I would have thought the whole point was that different people will have different requirements and preferences.
Stiggles
15-05-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“There's a certain irony in you questioning how much storage someone needs for apps, whilst - I assume - extolling the virtues of SD cards for people who might need more storage for things other than apps.

I would have thought the whole point was that different people will have different requirements and preferences.”

How did i know you would have an issue with what i asked?....

What is ironic, is that if I said i didn't think 16 or 32gb was enough solely for apps, you would have been all over it. Yet when i ask the question......

I'm merely curious as to how anyone could have thousands of apps on their phone at one time enough to swallow up 32gb alone. With music, photos and videos added, absolutely. Purely apps? Not a chance with your average app size merely a few mb at best.

My point is, having an SD card is not a hassle, nor is it for power users like you claimed earlier. If it was, you can be assured i would not use them as the last thing in the world i like is hassle. I use my internal storage for apps and the SD card for things like pictures, full HD videos and 4K videos.
jonmorris
15-05-2016
Plenty of apps are big. Games, navigation software with offline maps - where you may have UK maps today but then want Western Europe or USA when travelling - and more.

My son is testing the Kindle Fire for kids and so many games for youngsters are at least 100-200MB each, as they often have lots of video and audio embedded because it isn't wise to stream it when it might be used where there's no data or Wi-Fi.

On Android there are still a fair few apps that don't install to a memory card, or fully support Android's 'shared' storage but they will be updated and there's usually an alternative.
Stiggles
15-05-2016
Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“Plenty of apps are big. Games, navigation software with offline maps - where you may have UK maps today but then want Western Europe or USA when travelling - and more.

My son is testing the Kindle Fire for kids and so many games for youngsters are at least 100-200MB each, as they often have lots of video and audio embedded because it isn't wise to stream it when it might be used where there's no data or Wi-Fi.

On Android there are still a fair few apps that don't install to a memory card, or fully support Android's 'shared' storage but they will be updated and there's usually an alternative.”

Of course. But 32gb of them? Even with big apps, i just can't see someone using 32gb solely for apps.

Or maybe i'm one of the few people who don't keep apps for the sake of it! Of my 32gb on my Z5 Premium, I've only used 11.2gb and thats including the system files. On my 128gb SD card, ive used 60 odd gb with 4K video etc.
jonmorris
15-05-2016
Of course you can go through and get rid of old unused apps, or apps you don't like much. Or you can keep them all.

I have to remove stuff on my MacBook Air to save space, as it has just 128GB. I wish I'd got 256 or 512MB, but can at least add an external HDD or flash drive.

I'd sooner NOT remove apps.

My son has filled 77GB of the memory card (the Fire Kids tablet has just 8GB internal storage) and that's a load of games (60 or 70) and a shed load of books, given they're all free so may as well be downloaded for offline access.

Why have it so you have to download an app each time you want to use it and then remove it?

Indeed, I'm not sure why I'm even asking that. Why does someone buy a MacBook with 1TB of storage if they can just remove stuff and get by with 256GB?

At the end of the day, if Tim Cook stood on stage and announced a new iPhone with expandable memory, the room would go mental. Cheering and applauding throughout the world.
calico_pie
15-05-2016
Originally Posted by Stiggles:
“How did i know you would have an issue with what i asked?....

What is ironic, is that if I said i didn't think 16 or 32gb was enough solely for apps, you would have been all over it. Yet when i ask the question......

I'm merely curious as to how anyone could have thousands of apps on their phone at one time enough to swallow up 32gb alone. With music, photos and videos added, absolutely. Purely apps? Not a chance with your average app size merely a few mb at best.

My point is, having an SD card is not a hassle, nor is it for power users like you claimed earlier. If it was, you can be assured i would not use them as the last thing in the world i like is hassle. I use my internal storage for apps and the SD card for things like pictures, full HD videos and 4K videos.”

I don't have an issue with anything.

I just think its ironic that anyone of the view that SD cards were a good thing because people might need extra storage for music / photos / videos etc doesn't seem to appreciate that some people might like extra storage for apps.

I'm finding it surprising that someone I might have thought was fairly knowledgeable is trying to suggest that it would take "thousands of apps" to swallow up 32GB.

Seeing as there are plenty of apps of 500MB or more, it could potentially only take dozens, not thousands, of apps to use 32GB.

Out of the tens of millions of people with smartphones, I doubt that high a proportion use SD cards (I will stand corrected), hence my suggestion that those who do use them are more likely to be power users. (for want of a better expression.)
jonmorris
15-05-2016
Totally agree that a lot of people don't need a lot of storage and if you're lucky enough to have a fast enough data connection then you can get by viewing photo galleries and videos online, so not storing anything more than thumbnails on the device.

But only Three offers unlimited data, and Wi-Fi is often slower than 3G or 4G data. I like to have everything backed up, but also have as much as I can stored on the device. Especially when I'm flying somewhere and want offline media content.

I was disappointed that the Nexus 6P didn't get a card slot (I hoped that with Android M supporting the merging of internal/external storage it would be worth launching a phone that supported it) and having to pay extra for 64GB. Now I'm using a Huawei P9 with a 200GB card and 32GB Internal. Samsung has a 256GB card coming out next month (but at silly money I expect) so that's a LOT of storage for a phone or tablet.
samuel79
15-05-2016
I haven't read the hole thread but its likely to have cloud storage there was just a launch of a mobile cant recall its name but it asks you when you install stuff like apps or music either on phone or the cloud form the get go

I cant see apple ever adding sd card support
jonmorris
15-05-2016
The Nextbit Robin? It's a great idea, if you have a fast enough connection (and aren't going to pay per MB).

I think people will sooner buy a larger capacity device (which manufacturers want) to store data, than ever expect them to utilise the cloud to that degree. Google and Apple can say we can all use the cloud and therefore need less storage, but not everyone can do that.

I still only get 6-8Mbps at home on ADSL. No FTTC. I have 4G that can offer speeds of 150Mbps but I have a limit of 15GB a month! I could get 50GB a month for £30 but think I'll sooner just have my 200GB microSD!

I am surprised Apple didn't come up with its own memory card, for which it could then charge what it liked for. If it was sufficiently fast, it could add the same slot to the iPad, MacBook and other devices. Heck, even an iMac!
Faust
16-05-2016
Originally Posted by Everything Goes:
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Tim Cook has given a hint that the new iPhone will have a features that you cant live without and it will make people want to upgrade.


”

What like sausage, fish & chips etc.
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