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Old 26-09-2016, 19:11
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That's a problem for some companies, but would most iOS invested users suddenly switch to Android? Wouldn't they become accustomed to the fact that if they don't act quick, they'll lose out - thus waking up extra early to secure a purchase at 8am?

Like buying tickets to a gig etc.

Would someone buy an Xbox because they missed out on the latest PlayStation?

Would someone .. you get the idea.

It works for some brands to make them hard to get, and seem exclusive. Which for a while they are.

As I said, why wouldn't you do this if you could? Not only do you not lose sales today, but you ensure you have people queuing up next time (if not at a store, behind their keyboards waiting to pre-order).
If your theory is that most iOS users are just going to buy a new iPhone anyway, what advantage is there to Apple in making them wait?

If people want something on day one, they'll queue anyway - there doesn't really need to be a shortage to make people queue.

If I'm a company selling a product, I just want to sell it to people who want to buy it. I don't really see any advantage in purposely making people wait before they can buy it.

I can't think of any circumstance where a potential customer wants to wait a couple of months to buy a product - its just frustrating.
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Old 26-09-2016, 19:33
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I haven't seen that reported by Apple, any links to reports that can be verified as official?
Blimey TC himself said it in a morning call to investors, where have you been?
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Old 26-09-2016, 19:44
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Because there is no real controversy. Most normal people simply don't care and don't need or use a headphone jack.

Hell, even at the Samsung Note 7 launch when the exec got up on stage and tried to make a cheap headphone joke nobody laughed. Of course that's the least of Samsung's concerns now the world knows the Note 7 is basically a weapon for terrorists.
Quite possibly the most ridiculous thing I've ever read on this forum.
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Old 26-09-2016, 19:59
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Did you read more than the headline?
The new iPhone has already been jailbroken. Have you not been following the tech press.
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:04
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Most normal people simply don't care and don't need or use a headphone jack
How do you know this as fact?
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:05
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The new iPhone has already been jailbroken. Have you not been following the tech press.
Yes, I have. I was quoting the article you linked to.

A user who purposely jailbreaks their phone is very different from someone trying to break in to someone else's phone.
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:08
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Blimey TC himself said it in a morning call to investors, where have you been?
I was out when he phoned and missed his call, he didn't even leave a voicemail .
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:10
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People on here have said these new iPhones are boring.

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Well you would be hard pressed to deny that is true. It has to be the biggest 'not much has changed' iPhone launch in years.
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:12
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Well you would be hard pressed to deny that is true. It has to be the biggest 'not much has changed' iPhone launch in years.
Well, in truth not much has changed, but the little that has changed has caused a lot of noise...
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:20
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Yes, I have. I was quoting the article you linked to.

A user who purposely jailbreaks their phone is very different from someone trying to break in to someone else's phone.
You can attempt to put the usual Apple spin on reports. However, the fact remains iOS is coming under increasing pressure as it is now attracting the same sort of unwelcome attention that Windows has been subjected to for years.

That's the downside to popularity. Hacking will become an increasing headache for Apple.
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:29
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Because there is no real controversy. Most normal people simply don't care and don't need or use a headphone jack.

Hell, even at the Samsung Note 7 launch when the exec got up on stage and tried to make a cheap headphone joke nobody laughed. Of course that's the least of Samsung's concerns now the world knows the Note 7 is basically a weapon for terrorists.
I listen to music all the time on my iPhone when I'm out and about.

I didn't realise that was such a minority use for a phone.

Having said that, I'm not about to get a new iPhone, and when I do, I won't be at all bothered about using the little adapter.

(or maybe investing in some shiny new headphones by then)
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:36
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I listen to music all the time on my iPhone when I'm out and about.

I didn't realise that was such a minority use for a phone.

Having said that, I'm not about to get a new iPhone, and when I do, I won't be at all bothered about using the little adapter.

(or maybe investing in some shiny new headphones by then)
I haven't bought a new iPhone for myself but I'm using the Lightning EarPods from the one I bought my daughter and the sound quality is noticeably better than the 3.5mm EarPods.

Comparing the brand new set out of my 6s Plus box to the new ones out of a 7 box. I had been using an older set from an iPhone 6 for the last year and thought they had worn out when I first compared them to the Lightning version.

Lightning might not be quite as convenient but it does seem to offer better sound capability.
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Old 26-09-2016, 20:48
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Well, in truth not much has changed, but the little that has changed has caused a lot of noise...
...I'd say more of a hiss myself.
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Old 26-09-2016, 21:19
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You can attempt to put the usual Apple spin on reports. However, the fact remains iOS is coming under increasing pressure as it is now attracting the same sort of unwelcome attention that Windows has been subjected to for years.

That's the downside to popularity. Hacking will become an increasing headache for Apple.
I'm not putting a spin on anything. I quoted the link you posted, and acknowledged the updated news that someone claims to have a jailbreak for iOS 10.

Nobody even pretends that Android is secure, and the mutilple extra layers of software put on by manufacturers makes the problem even worse.

Faust, you talk a lot of sense in most threads but mindlessly attack Apple in this one. You don't like the iPhone, fine, move on.
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Old 26-09-2016, 22:12
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I don't think they're going to lose sales over the delays. Who gets so hyped about a product that they buy it almost immediately after release, yet cancels when they have to wait a couple of weeks? People who are that keen on a product aren't going to give up that easily.

More likely that it instils a feeling of being part of an elite, which helps with keeping the price at a premium, and helps with the "look what I got hold of!" factor down t'pub. Indeed it's only speculation, but it's odd that a company of their size can't seem to make them fast enough year after year

They're far from the only ones. At least OnePlus gave up on the elitist special handshake club thing eventually, as that was about the worst i've seen.
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Old 26-09-2016, 22:31
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Faust, you talk a lot of sense in most threads but mindlessly attack Apple in this one. You don't like the iPhone, fine, move on.
It's not a case of not liking the iPhone. I do in fact think it's a very competent phone. What I can't be doing with is the over-hyped almost hysterical posts from some owners. It's not perfect and neither is iOS. Android too has it's problems. Now if people could just accept that and have a rational debate it would be much more interesting.

I suspect age demographic is an issue/bar to that happening. It really is school playground stuff.
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Old 27-09-2016, 06:00
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It's not a case of not liking the iPhone. I do in fact think it's a very competent phone. What I can't be doing with is the over-hyped almost hysterical posts from some owners. It's not perfect and neither is iOS. Android too has it's problems. Now if people could just accept that and have a rational debate it would be much more interesting.

I suspect age demographic is an issue/bar to that happening. It really is school playground stuff.
I agree with most of that. Baiting 'over enthusiastic' Apple fans doesn't make for rational debate though.

As for demographics, I'm a 49 years old while male. Does that help?
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Old 27-09-2016, 08:43
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I agree with most of that. Baiting 'over enthusiastic' Apple fans doesn't make for rational debate though.

As for demographics, I'm a 49 years old while male. Does that help?
I can add another decade+ to that. I suppose that is what makes it difficult. As you get older you see the futility in all this 'mine's better than yours' argument. It is after all just 'willy waving'.
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:11
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What hardcore, sycophantic, fanboys fail to realise is that they do more harm to a brand in the long run. Companies obviously like fans, but not fanatics.

They can harm reputations and also impact on the future development of a product or service. People need to be open minded when talking about their favourite company, football team, band etc. If you never question things, you end up wondering in years to come where everything went wrong - because the people you worshipped actually listened to you and didn't deal with the issues that stopped other people from buying your product.

But when you're young, you think everything in life will be fine if you're in with the right crowd.
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:16
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The Jet Black iPhone 7 is in short supply because the 9 step manufacturing process only has a 60-70% yield rate.

http://www.alphr.com/apple-iphone-7/...-struggling-to
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:40
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Still don't get why anyone would waste their money on the jet black one. I want the matte black 128GB Plus but it's literally impossible to get hold of. As I said earlier on in the thread, I'm going away traveling for a year in five weeks so I don't want to order it online via Apple in case it doesn't end up arriving in time. I was going to just order one and then if in the next few weeks I'm able to pick one up then I could send the one I ordered back, however looking at Apple's returns policy it says you only have 14 days to return. I've been checking Apple every morning for pickup but nothing. Also been keeping an eye on the istocknow website and pretty much the entire country is showing as out of stock of all iPhones. In fact, the only place which seems to have stock of the iPhones is the U.S and a few places in Europe. The iPhone Plus 128GB though literally nowhere seems to have in stock.
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Old 27-09-2016, 09:41
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The Jet Black iPhone 7 is in short supply because the 9 step manufacturing process only has a 60-70% yield rate.

http://www.alphr.com/apple-iphone-7/...-struggling-to
I cannot understand why Apple went ahead and released this variant.
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Old 27-09-2016, 10:39
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What hardcore, sycophantic, fanboys fail to realise is that they do more harm to a brand in the long run. Companies obviously like fans, but not fanatics.

They can harm reputations and also impact on the future development of a product or service. People need to be open minded when talking about their favourite company, football team, band etc. If you never question things, you end up wondering in years to come where everything went wrong - because the people you worshipped actually listened to you and didn't deal with the issues that stopped other people from buying your product.

But when you're young, you think everything in life will be fine if you're in with the right crowd.
Oh how true! I couldn't have put it better myself. It's only through 'constructive criticism' that products or things generally in life improve.
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Old 27-09-2016, 10:43
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Because there is no real controversy. Most normal people simply don't care and don't need or use a headphone jack.
Except most normal people DO use the headphone jack. Hell, if anything it is the geeks amongst us (so those of us debating this on here) that are more likely to actually use bluetooth headphones. Most regular people just use the buds that come with the phone, and when they break buy a cheap pair from pc world or whatever. Now, no headphone jack means that replacement will be more expensive and you lose the ability to charge at the same time (granted most people won't worry about that). Most normal people will not opt for the bluetooth headphone route, and the adapter dongle thing will just be a pain in the backside for most people that will just get lost!
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Old 27-09-2016, 10:49
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Because there is no real controversy. Most normal people simply don't care and don't need or use a headphone jack.
No, I don't think that's right. I do a lot of walking and the amount of people I see with headphones in their ears never ceases to amaze me. It isn't necessarily younger people either. I see people of all ages with them in.

I often think how dangerous it is though. You don't notice the traffic and have no idea who is coming up at the back of you or what their intentions might be.
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