iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook

Originally Posted by d123

This is another link regarding sales -

I wouldn't really put much credence in a newspaper report based on the allegedly leaked GfK report that GfK won't even confirm as authentic.

So, still no verifiable or official figures then...

Faust · 29-09-2016, 13:30

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I wouldn't really put much credence in a newspaper report based on the allegedly leaked GfK report that GfK won't even confirm as authentic.

So, still no verifiable or official figures then...

Hmm! so you don't believe the papers, you don't believe the financial institutions on Wall Street. Appears to me as though the old but true saying - there's none as deaf as those who don't want to hear, applies in this instance.

As you know, Apple have said they are not going to put out figures this year as "it's meaningless and misleading" for the first time ever. Sounds like more Apple spin.

aurichie · 29-09-2016, 13:34

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Hmm! so you don't believe the papers, you don't believe the financial institutions on Wall Street. Appears to me as though the old but true saying - there's none as deaf as those who don't want to hear, applies in this instance.

As you know, Apple have said they are not going to put out figures this year as "it's meaningless and misleading" for the first time ever. Sounds like more Apple spin.

You'll only have to wait one month for Apple's next financial results call to find out you were wrong. I'm not sure how much Apple will disclose in terms of a breakdown, but I am certain they will say enough to prove the haters and naysayers are wrong.

Apple shares are up something like $7 since the iPhone was announced. Investors are certainly not buying into the BS that iPhone sales are tanking.

tdenson · 29-09-2016, 13:40

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Hmm! so you don't believe the papers, you don't believe the financial institutions on Wall Street. Appears to me as though the old but true saying - there's none as deaf as those who don't want to hear, applies in this instance.

No, I don't. By definition it's all based on hearsay and conjecture as the only people who know are Apple and they haven't released any figures. It might be true, but the only thing that can be said for sure is we don't know.

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As you know, Apple have said they are not going to put out figures this year as "it's meaningless and misleading" for the first time ever. Sounds like more Apple spin.

Don't forget they said that before they started selling the new phone, so it's not something they did in response to poor sales figures.

Faust · 29-09-2016, 13:52

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Originally Posted by tdenson

You'll only have to wait one month for Apple's next financial results call to find out you were wrong. I'm not sure how much Apple will disclose in terms of a breakdown, but I am certain they will say enough to prove the haters and naysayers are wrong.

Apple shares are up something like $7 since the iPhone was announced. Investors are certainly not buying into the BS that iPhone sales are tanking.

Wow! you are now adding the ability to read the future to your repertoire of colourful posts. The Apple stock is up on the back of the Note 7 battery issue, Apple have been saying prayers since the announcement. I take it you don't follow the stock markets?

That more than any other issue has helped their sales figures.

Faust · 29-09-2016, 13:58

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Don't forget they said that before they started selling the new phone, so it's not something they did in response to poor sales figures.

Well absolutely. If you are expecting some bad news then the best thing you can do is mitigate it before it happens - hence their no sales figures statement. Must of the financial pundits are claiming that it's the Note 7 issue more than anything other single factor that's improved Apple's launch.

Hardly a ringing endorsement though i.e. I'll have an iPhone only because the phone I really want has had to be recalled.

jonmorris · 29-09-2016, 14:42

With no sales figures, Apple can pace itself a bit more. It can drip feed to maintain demand and create hysteria, then supply phones over the coming months.

There's no real advantage to stacking phones high in stores now, as they won't lose many sales (few people will go elsewhere, and indeed we know from examples here that people will just buy another model, in a colour they didn't really want, or with too little storage - so a win for Apple there too).

The phone is on sale between now and next September, and Apple won't be dropping the price between now and then.. or if so, by very little.

So, Apple will make money for sure. It's just the sales aren't likely to be as high as time goes on, because people are keeping their old equipment for longer. I've said this for a few years now, and every year more people keep their old kit and, if the network doesn't offer discounts, leave their current network and sign up on a SIM-only contract.

Apple can't do much about this. Even the emerging markets are going to see a slow down in sales, and in China you have the likes of Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE and others really killing it. Sure, you can say it's because they've cloned the iPhone look and even the UI design, but so what? It's still bad news for Apple.

Aurichie might be staying up all night to get an online order in, and obviously loads of other people in our tech bubble did too, but walk into a John Lewis and you'll see people looking at the new phones (and non Apple phones) and hardly looking like they're about to rush up to the counter to buy one.

Perhaps it's different in an Apple store, but Apple relies on the mass market, not just those who are exceptionally brand loyal.

Jimmy_Carter · 29-09-2016, 14:45

I reckon sales are down due to not being able to keep up with demand. They probably haven't made as many as previous years.

tdenson · 29-09-2016, 15:50

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Must of the financial pundits are claiming that it's the Note 7 issue more than anything other single factor that's improved Apple's launch.
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Can't say I buy that. For one, the Note 7 is not Samsung's largest selling phone anyway. So it's only a potentially small pool of switchers. Secondly, realistically who is going to switch from an Android phone to an iPhone on the basis of a problem with one manufacturer. The first thing you do is look at other perfectly good alternatives in the android world.

It might well be the Note 7 issue that has caused financial pundits to push up the Apple stock, but not because of extra Apple sales. But that's just the hysteria that tends to affect analysts. I watch the Apple stock (as I have a significant position in it) and I can tell you they are very fickle.

tdenson · 29-09-2016, 15:54

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people will just buy another model, in a colour they didn't really want, or with too little storage - so a win for Apple there too).
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Not really, if they buy one with too little storage. That exorbitant margin on additional storage is lost for ever to Apple.

jonmorris · 29-09-2016, 16:07

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Not really, if they buy one with too little storage. That exorbitant margin on additional storage is lost for ever to Apple.

Fair point, but it happens all the time. I did it once with a MacBook because I decided I wanted to walk out the store with it immediately rather than wait. Lesson learned!

I guess Apple needs to make more of the 'model up'. It has traditionally offered three variants of most products in stores, knowing people often trade up to at least one level up (never wanting entry level).

I bought the entry level iMac 5K because it suited my needs, but was always wondering if I'd made the right decision - but at least they're expandable still.

aurichie · 29-09-2016, 16:17

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Wow! you are now adding the ability to read the future to your repertoire of colourful posts. The Apple stock is up on the back of the Note 7 battery issue, Apple have been saying prayers since the announcement. I take it you don't follow the stock markets?

That more than any other issue has helped their sales figures.

All the evidence points to very high sales numbers. There was a report two days ago from someone known to have connections with the supply chain who said Apple has increased orders by as much as 30%-40% due to unprecedented demand at launch. I know it's painful for those who are desperately wanting Apple to crash, burn and fail, but you are going to be disappointed for at least another year. The iPhone 7 is an absolute smash hit with consumers.

Of course, you can keep clinging to that mysterious leaked GfK report that GfK themselves have distanced themselves from and refused to confirm.

Anika Hanson · 29-09-2016, 16:21

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Originally Posted by Anika Hanson

With no sales figures, Apple can pace itself a bit more. It can drip feed to maintain demand and create hysteria, then supply phones over the coming months.

There's no real advantage to stacking phones high in stores now, as they won't lose many sales (few people will go elsewhere, and indeed we know from examples here that people will just buy another model, in a colour they didn't really want, or with too little storage - so a win for Apple there too).

The phone is on sale between now and next September, and Apple won't be dropping the price between now and then.. or if so, by very little.

So, Apple will make money for sure. It's just the sales aren't likely to be as high as time goes on, because people are keeping their old equipment for longer. I've said this for a few years now, and every year more people keep their old kit and, if the network doesn't offer discounts, leave their current network and sign up on a SIM-only contract.

Apple can't do much about this. Even the emerging markets are going to see a slow down in sales, and in China you have the likes of Huawei, Xiaomi, ZTE and others really killing it. Sure, you can say it's because they've cloned the iPhone look and even the UI design, but so what? It's still bad news for Apple.

Aurichie might be staying up all night to get an online order in, and obviously loads of other people in our tech bubble did too, but walk into a John Lewis and you'll see people looking at the new phones (and non Apple phones) and hardly looking like they're about to rush up to the counter to buy one.

Perhaps it's different in an Apple store, but Apple relies on the mass market, not just those who are exceptionally brand loyal.

Nobody has to stay awake all night in the UK because pre-orders start at 8 am.

jonmorris · 29-09-2016, 16:23

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Nobody has to stay awake all night in the UK because pre-orders start at 8 am.

I know!

anyonefortennis · 29-09-2016, 16:35

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Originally Posted by Anika Hanson

Nobody has to stay awake all night in the UK because pre-orders start at 8 am.

Except Aurichie who did. I guess the wakeup alarm on his iPhone wasn't working.

Faust · 29-09-2016, 16:48

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Originally Posted by tdenson

I watch the Apple stock (as I have a significant position in it) and I can tell you they are very fickle.

Ditto, and Microsoft.

Faust · 29-09-2016, 16:50

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Originally Posted by anyonefortennis

All the evidence points to very high sales numbers. There was a report two days ago from someone known to have connections with the supply chain who said Apple has increased orders by as much as 30%-40% due to unprecedented demand at launch. I know it's painful for those who are desperately wanting Apple to crash, burn and fail, but you are going to be disappointed for at least another year. The iPhone 7 is an absolute smash hit with consumers.

Of course, you can keep clinging to that mysterious leaked GfK report that GfK themselves have distanced themselves from and refused to confirm.

And from what baseline has that order been increased? Meaningless twaddle.

jonmorris · 29-09-2016, 17:17

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Except Aurichie who did. I guess the wakeup alarm on his iPhone wasn't working.

Does any iPhone owner trust the alarm function?

Only a month to go until the clocks change again...!

aurichie · 29-09-2016, 17:24

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Originally Posted by anyonefortennis

Except Aurichie who did. I guess the wakeup alarm on his iPhone wasn't working.

I got my iPhone on launch day. I am happy.

jonmorris · 29-09-2016, 17:25

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I got my iPhone on launch day. I am happy.

Yes, but I will never work out why you stayed up all night to get to your computer for 8am.

There's nothing you could do by staying awake that would change anything.

Did you sit on the floor next to it, or maybe even camp outside in the garden?

aurichie · 29-09-2016, 17:31

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Yes, but I will never work out why you stayed up all night to get to your computer for 8am.

There's nothing you could do by staying awake that would change anything.

Except there is -

As some people reported on here, the store appeared down for them well past 8am. And it did on some of my devices also.

But because I had all my devices setup and prepared (2x laptops, a desktop, several iPhones, and multiple iPads), I was able to fire them all at the Apple Store until I hit a server that had been made live for orders sooner. I won't reveal all that I do, but there is some setup involved that I believe maximises my chances of getting my order placed ahead of most people. I also configure my Apple account for faster checkout during pre-ordering launch events. And I have never failed to get what I wanted yet with any iPhone launch, so I'm going to keep doing it.

Anika Hanson · 29-09-2016, 17:31

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Yes, but I will never work out why you stayed up all night to get to your computer for 8am.

There's nothing you could do by staying awake that would change anything.

Did you sit on the floor next to it, or maybe even camp outside in the garden?

I also got my phone on launch day but I didn't stay up all night

I have a 4 month old son and so was guaranteed to be awake at 8 am for pre-orders. I didn't need to set an alarm.

anyonefortennis · 29-09-2016, 17:35

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