iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook

Everything Goes · 01-10-2016, 22:24

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Originally Posted by calico_pie

Shouldn't you be able to play the ball, not the man, by now?

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calico_pie · 01-10-2016, 23:16

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Originally Posted by Everything Goes

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Um, I don't think you're quite getting what a troll is.

technology_love · 02-10-2016, 12:21

Another week passes with little to zero iPhone 7 plus stock.
I have two ordered to arrive by the 24th October. Seems the only way I'll end up getting them.

anyonefortennis · 02-10-2016, 12:39

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Originally Posted by technology_love

Another week passes with little to zero iPhone 7 plus stock.
I have two ordered to arrive by the 24th October. Seems the only way I'll end up getting them.

It's weird that people on here are posting that they were able to get them from Carphone Warehouse and JL.

Faust · 02-10-2016, 14:41

I've been playing around with a friends iPhone 7 plus this morning. I still think of it as the 'ugly child' it really is no beauty. All Apple's know how in design and this is the best they could do.

anyonefortennis · 02-10-2016, 14:49

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Originally Posted by Faust

I've been playing around with a friends iPhone 7 plus this morning. I still think of it as the 'ugly child' it really is no beauty. All Apple's know how in design and this is the best they could do.

Ugly? You can say many things about it but it isn't ugly.

Stig · 02-10-2016, 20:00

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Originally Posted by Faust

I've been playing around with a friends iPhone 7 plus this morning. I still think of it as the 'ugly child' it really is no beauty. All Apple's know how in design and this is the best they could do.

It's almost identical to the 6/6S. Were they 'ugly'? If so, it's nothing especially bad about this model, is it?

Faust · 02-10-2016, 22:53

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Originally Posted by anyonefortennis

Ugly? You can say many things about it but it isn't ugly.

It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it.

Faust · 02-10-2016, 22:55

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Originally Posted by Stig

It's almost identical to the 6/6S. Were they 'ugly'? If so, it's nothing especially bad about this model, is it?

The 6/6S just scrapes by because it's overall size is less. The SE is the nicest phone in their range.

anyonefortennis · 02-10-2016, 23:08

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Originally Posted by Faust

It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it.

It's just a phone. Not something to ridicule. I don't get that emotive about a piece of metal that makes calls unlike some others on here who seem to want to make love to it. And maybe they do cause I doubt they are getting it anywhere else.

Stiggles · 02-10-2016, 23:53

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Originally Posted by anyonefortennis

Ugly? You can say many things about it but it isn't ugly.

Everyone has different perceptions of what's nice and whats not.

Personally i think all phones up from the 4 and 4S are awful.

Stig · 03-10-2016, 05:58

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Originally Posted by Faust

The 6/6S just scrapes by because it's overall size is less. The SE is the nicest phone in their range.

The 6/6S are the same size as the 7, so your argument is very weak.

Mark in Essex · 03-10-2016, 08:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it.

I could never have a phone that had such large bezels - that's why if the photos are true of the new Google Pixel phone then that would be out of the question for me.

I like a phone as large as I can be comfortable with which would be around 5.5" with hardly any bezel.

Your spending a lot of time looking at the screen on a phone so better to have the biggest phone you are comfortable with (I love my works Note 4, but it's very slightly too big (ok in trousers, but can be tight in some jeans)).

jonmorris · 03-10-2016, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Mark in Essex

I could never have a phone that had such large bezels - that's why if the photos are true of the new Google Pixel phone then that would be out of the question for me.

I like a phone as large as I can be comfortable with which would be around 5.5" with hardly any bezel.

Your spending a lot of time looking at the screen on a phone so better to have the biggest phone you are comfortable with (I love my works Note 4, but it's very slightly too big (ok in trousers, but can be tight in some jeans)).

I think the 7 plus is huge (and unnecessarily so) and think the new Pixel phones are ugly too. In fact, I am hating the fact that Google now thinks it can be like Apple and jack up the prices at the same time.

I get why the industry as a whole wants to increase the prices, to increase margins, but still don't like it. Networks are calling for it, and presumably the carriers are asking for higher retail prices, while also wanting a bigger slice of the pie themselves.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anyonefortennis

It's just a phone. Not something to ridicule. I don't get that emotive about a piece of metal that makes calls unlike some others on here who seem to want to make love to it. And maybe they do cause I doubt they are getting it anywhere else.

And now we know why Apple removed the headphone socket and made it waterproof.

anyonefortennis · 03-10-2016, 10:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonmorris

I think the 7 plus is huge (and unnecessarily so) and think the new Pixel phones are ugly too. In fact, I am hating the fact that Google now thinks it can be like Apple and jack up the prices at the same time.

I get why the industry as a whole wants to increase the prices, to increase margins, but still don't like it. Networks are calling for it, and presumably the carriers are asking for higher retail prices, while also wanting a bigger slice of the pie themselves.

And now we know why Apple removed the headphone socket and made it waterproof.

lol

calico_pie · 03-10-2016, 10:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it.

That's because you're obsessed with the notion that people only like Apple products because of the logo.

While there may well be a tiny minority of people who unconditionally love all things Apple, the fact is that Apple sell tens of millions of these things - they can't all be buying them because of the logo.

Here's a thought, however controversial it might sound:

Maybe, just_maybe, people actually just like iPhones?

Faust · 03-10-2016, 11:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stig

The 6/6S are the same size as the 7, so your argument is very weak.

No, I was talking about the 4.7" version as opposed to the 6s plus and 7 plus, the bog standard when I said it was smaller. I simply confused the two.

The 6s Plus and the 7 plus are the ugly slabs.

Faust · 03-10-2016, 11:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

That's because you're obsessed with the notion that people only like Apple products because of the logo.

While there may well be a tiny minority of people who unconditionally love all things Apple, the fact is that Apple sell tens of millions of these things - they can't all be buying them because of the logo.

Here's a thought, however controversial it might sound:

Maybe, just_maybe, people actually just like iPhones?

No I'm not. I've said on many occasions that Apple make a good phone, I've even got one. I would certainly argue that there's a huge percentage of people have iPhones either due to peer pressure or as a fashion statement, with a lot being a combination of the two.

The fact still remains the larger model is not aesthetically pleasing. It reminds me of a slab of cheddar. They need to shed the home button and enclose it in the screen whilst placing the finger print reader on the side. That would then enable them to get rid of the ugly bezels.

WelshBluebird · 03-10-2016, 12:08

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Originally Posted by Faust

I would certainly argue that there's a huge percentage of people have iPhones either due to peer pressure or as a fashion statement, with a lot being a combination of the two..

I would't even go that far. I think a lot is just due to Apple's brand and marketing. If you are a non technical person who wants a smartphone, "iPhone" is probably the first thing you'll know about. Same with the iPad (it says a lot that the NFL commentators still call the Surfaces the coaches use "iPads").

Stig · 03-10-2016, 12:25

The Google Pixel phones look very much like the iPhone, 'big bezel' and all!

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7342401.html

calico_pie · 03-10-2016, 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

No I'm not. I've said on many occasions that Apple make a good phone, I've even got one. I would certainly argue that there's a huge percentage of people have iPhones either due to peer pressure or as a fashion statement, with a lot being a combination of the two.

The fact still remains the larger model is not aesthetically pleasing. It reminds me of a slab of cheddar. They need to shed the home button and enclose it in the screen whilst placing the finger print reader on the side. That would then enable them to get rid of the ugly bezels.

So do you own an iPhone because you want it as a fashion statement, or because of peer pressure?

Your view is just that - your opinion. If other people do happen to like it (and the design of the jet black has been pretty well received, although I definitely prefer matte), the explanation is simply that they don't share your opinion.

It probably isn't that they do share your opinion, but discount it because of the logo.

d123 · 03-10-2016, 12:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faust

They need to shed the home button and enclose it in the screen whilst placing the finger print reader on the side. That would then enable them to get rid of the ugly bezels.

No, please, I've handled many Android phones with fingerprint readers in strange places (and they're all more awkward), if they can enclose the home button in the screen the print reader needs to go in the same place. For ApplePay it's the most natural place for the thumb as you lay the phone on the reader.

Faust · 03-10-2016, 15:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by calico_pie

So do you own an iPhone because you want it as a fashion statement, or because of peer pressure?

Your view is just that - your opinion. If other people do happen to like it (and the design of the jet black has been pretty well received, although I definitely prefer matte), the explanation is simply that they don't share your opinion.

It probably isn't that they do share your opinion, but discount it because of the logo.

I got the iPhone because it was gratis

ex-work phone, 4s in shiny black

. Our company moved to Android as it worked out better for their business needs.

I don't think it's my opinion either, I think it is absolute fact. Anecdotal I know but the company I work for, nearly all the younger people got an iPhone because 'their friends' had got one. I would put that percentage at no lower than 90%. Even if it wasn't true in every single case and you scale that up as being a reasonable representation of other users then it's a hell of a lot.

They are not called iSheep for nothing, there's always some truth behind such statements. Now you make not like it and will in all likelihood attempt a counter argument, however, it is what it is.

Faust · 03-10-2016, 15:05

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Originally Posted by d123

No, please, I've handled many Android phones with fingerprint readers in strange places (and they're all more awkward), if they can enclose the home button in the screen the print reader needs to go in the same place. For ApplePay it's the most natural place for the thumb as you lay the phone on the reader.

Xperia works wonderfully well on the side and has received many positive reviews. If you used one for a couple of days you would wonder why they all aren't on the side.

Faust · 03-10-2016, 15:13

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Originally Posted by Stig

The Google Pixel phones look very much like the iPhone, 'big bezel' and all!

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7342401.html

It's a bit difficult to tell from those shots given the phone is black but the bezels certainly look OTT. I don't care who makes the phone, if the aesthetics aren't good they aren't good.

01-10-2016, 22:24	#1451
Everything Goes Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: In the future.... Posts: 11,259	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie Shouldn't you be able to play the ball, not the man, by now? http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/...enTrollFoE.jpg

01-10-2016, 23:16	#1452
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Everything Goes http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/...enTrollFoE.jpg Um, I don't think you're quite getting what a troll is.

02-10-2016, 12:21	#1453
technology_love Forum Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: South West Posts: 2,656	Another week passes with little to zero iPhone 7 plus stock. I have two ordered to arrive by the 24th October. Seems the only way I'll end up getting them.

02-10-2016, 12:39	#1454
anyonefortennis Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: 🇬🇧 Posts: 60,865	Quote: Originally Posted by technology_love Another week passes with little to zero iPhone 7 plus stock. I have two ordered to arrive by the 24th October. Seems the only way I'll end up getting them. It's weird that people on here are posting that they were able to get them from Carphone Warehouse and JL.

02-10-2016, 14:41	#1455
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	I've been playing around with a friends iPhone 7 plus this morning. I still think of it as the 'ugly child' it really is no beauty. All Apple's know how in design and this is the best they could do.

02-10-2016, 14:49	#1456
anyonefortennis Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: 🇬🇧 Posts: 60,865	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust I've been playing around with a friends iPhone 7 plus this morning. I still think of it as the 'ugly child' it really is no beauty. All Apple's know how in design and this is the best they could do. Ugly? You can say many things about it but it isn't ugly.

02-10-2016, 20:00	#1457
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust I've been playing around with a friends iPhone 7 plus this morning. I still think of it as the 'ugly child' it really is no beauty. All Apple's know how in design and this is the best they could do. It's almost identical to the 6/6S. Were they 'ugly'? If so, it's nothing especially bad about this model, is it?

02-10-2016, 22:53	#1458
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by anyonefortennis Ugly? You can say many things about it but it isn't ugly. It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it.

02-10-2016, 22:55	#1459
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by Stig It's almost identical to the 6/6S. Were they 'ugly'? If so, it's nothing especially bad about this model, is it? The 6/6S just scrapes by because it's overall size is less. The SE is the nicest phone in their range.

02-10-2016, 23:08	#1460
anyonefortennis Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: 🇬🇧 Posts: 60,865	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it. It's just a phone. Not something to ridicule. I don't get that emotive about a piece of metal that makes calls unlike some others on here who seem to want to make love to it. And maybe they do cause I doubt they are getting it anywhere else.

02-10-2016, 23:53	#1461
Stiggles Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Dundee, Scotland Posts: 9,293	Quote: Originally Posted by anyonefortennis Ugly? You can say many things about it but it isn't ugly. Everyone has different perceptions of what's nice and whats not. Personally i think all phones up from the 4 and 4S are awful.

03-10-2016, 05:58	#1462
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust The 6/6S just scrapes by because it's overall size is less. The SE is the nicest phone in their range. The 6/6S are the same size as the 7, so your argument is very weak.

03-10-2016, 08:40	#1463
Mark in Essex Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 3,644	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it. I could never have a phone that had such large bezels - that's why if the photos are true of the new Google Pixel phone then that would be out of the question for me. I like a phone as large as I can be comfortable with which would be around 5.5" with hardly any bezel. Your spending a lot of time looking at the screen on a phone so better to have the biggest phone you are comfortable with (I love my works Note 4, but it's very slightly too big (ok in trousers, but can be tight in some jeans)).

03-10-2016, 09:15	#1464
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Quote: Originally Posted by Mark in Essex I could never have a phone that had such large bezels - that's why if the photos are true of the new Google Pixel phone then that would be out of the question for me. I like a phone as large as I can be comfortable with which would be around 5.5" with hardly any bezel. Your spending a lot of time looking at the screen on a phone so better to have the biggest phone you are comfortable with (I love my works Note 4, but it's very slightly too big (ok in trousers, but can be tight in some jeans)). I think the 7 plus is huge (and unnecessarily so) and think the new Pixel phones are ugly too. In fact, I am hating the fact that Google now thinks it can be like Apple and jack up the prices at the same time. I get why the industry as a whole wants to increase the prices, to increase margins, but still don't like it. Networks are calling for it, and presumably the carriers are asking for higher retail prices, while also wanting a bigger slice of the pie themselves. Quote: Originally Posted by anyonefortennis It's just a phone. Not something to ridicule. I don't get that emotive about a piece of metal that makes calls unlike some others on here who seem to want to make love to it. And maybe they do cause I doubt they are getting it anywhere else. And now we know why Apple removed the headphone socket and made it waterproof.

03-10-2016, 10:20	#1465
anyonefortennis Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: 🇬🇧 Posts: 60,865	Quote: Originally Posted by jonmorris I think the 7 plus is huge (and unnecessarily so) and think the new Pixel phones are ugly too. In fact, I am hating the fact that Google now thinks it can be like Apple and jack up the prices at the same time. I get why the industry as a whole wants to increase the prices, to increase margins, but still don't like it. Networks are calling for it, and presumably the carriers are asking for higher retail prices, while also wanting a bigger slice of the pie themselves. And now we know why Apple removed the headphone socket and made it waterproof. lol

03-10-2016, 10:46	#1466
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust It's overly large with fat bezels. Be honest, if this phone had any other logo than Apple on it you would not give it the time of day. In fact I suspect you would ridicule it. That's because you're obsessed with the notion that people only like Apple products because of the logo. While there may well be a tiny minority of people who unconditionally love all things Apple, the fact is that Apple sell tens of millions of these things - they can't all be buying them because of the logo. Here's a thought, however controversial it might sound: Maybe, just_maybe, people actually just like iPhones?

03-10-2016, 11:52	#1467
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by Stig The 6/6S are the same size as the 7, so your argument is very weak. No, I was talking about the 4.7" version as opposed to the 6s plus and 7 plus, the bog standard when I said it was smaller. I simply confused the two. The 6s Plus and the 7 plus are the ugly slabs.

03-10-2016, 11:58	#1468
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie That's because you're obsessed with the notion that people only like Apple products because of the logo. While there may well be a tiny minority of people who unconditionally love all things Apple, the fact is that Apple sell tens of millions of these things - they can't all be buying them because of the logo. Here's a thought, however controversial it might sound: Maybe, just_maybe, people actually just like iPhones? No I'm not. I've said on many occasions that Apple make a good phone, I've even got one. I would certainly argue that there's a huge percentage of people have iPhones either due to peer pressure or as a fashion statement, with a lot being a combination of the two. The fact still remains the larger model is not aesthetically pleasing. It reminds me of a slab of cheddar. They need to shed the home button and enclose it in the screen whilst placing the finger print reader on the side. That would then enable them to get rid of the ugly bezels.

03-10-2016, 12:08	#1469
WelshBluebird Forum Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 720	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust I would certainly argue that there's a huge percentage of people have iPhones either due to peer pressure or as a fashion statement, with a lot being a combination of the two.. I would't even go that far. I think a lot is just due to Apple's brand and marketing. If you are a non technical person who wants a smartphone, "iPhone" is probably the first thing you'll know about. Same with the iPad (it says a lot that the NFL commentators still call the Surfaces the coaches use "iPads").

03-10-2016, 12:25	#1470
Stig Forum Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Sandy Heath, Beds. UK Posts: 10,383	The Google Pixel phones look very much like the iPhone, 'big bezel' and all! http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7342401.html

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03-10-2016, 12:28	#1471
calico_pie Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 9,428	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust No I'm not. I've said on many occasions that Apple make a good phone, I've even got one. I would certainly argue that there's a huge percentage of people have iPhones either due to peer pressure or as a fashion statement, with a lot being a combination of the two. The fact still remains the larger model is not aesthetically pleasing. It reminds me of a slab of cheddar. They need to shed the home button and enclose it in the screen whilst placing the finger print reader on the side. That would then enable them to get rid of the ugly bezels. So do you own an iPhone because you want it as a fashion statement, or because of peer pressure? Your view is just that - your opinion. If other people do happen to like it (and the design of the jet black has been pretty well received, although I definitely prefer matte), the explanation is simply that they don't share your opinion. It probably isn't that they do share your opinion, but discount it because of the logo.

03-10-2016, 12:29	#1472
d123 Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 3,993	Quote: Originally Posted by Faust They need to shed the home button and enclose it in the screen whilst placing the finger print reader on the side. That would then enable them to get rid of the ugly bezels. No, please, I've handled many Android phones with fingerprint readers in strange places (and they're all more awkward), if they can enclose the home button in the screen the print reader needs to go in the same place. For ApplePay it's the most natural place for the thumb as you lay the phone on the reader.

03-10-2016, 15:01	#1473
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by calico_pie So do you own an iPhone because you want it as a fashion statement, or because of peer pressure? Your view is just that - your opinion. If other people do happen to like it (and the design of the jet black has been pretty well received, although I definitely prefer matte), the explanation is simply that they don't share your opinion. It probably isn't that they do share your opinion, but discount it because of the logo. I got the iPhone because it was gratis ex-work phone, 4s in shiny black . Our company moved to Android as it worked out better for their business needs. I don't think it's my opinion either, I think it is absolute fact. Anecdotal I know but the company I work for, nearly all the younger people got an iPhone because 'their friends' had got one. I would put that percentage at no lower than 90%. Even if it wasn't true in every single case and you scale that up as being a reasonable representation of other users then it's a hell of a lot. They are not called iSheep for nothing, there's always some truth behind such statements. Now you make not like it and will in all likelihood attempt a counter argument, however, it is what it is.

03-10-2016, 15:05	#1474
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by d123 No, please, I've handled many Android phones with fingerprint readers in strange places (and they're all more awkward), if they can enclose the home button in the screen the print reader needs to go in the same place. For ApplePay it's the most natural place for the thumb as you lay the phone on the reader. Xperia works wonderfully well on the side and has received many positive reviews. If you used one for a couple of days you would wonder why they all aren't on the side.

03-10-2016, 15:13	#1475
Faust Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: UK Posts: 8,103	Quote: Originally Posted by Stig The Google Pixel phones look very much like the iPhone, 'big bezel' and all! http://www.independent.co.uk/life-st...-a7342401.html It's a bit difficult to tell from those shots given the phone is black but the bezels certainly look OTT. I don't care who makes the phone, if the aesthetics aren't good they aren't good.