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iPhone 7 will have things you can't live without says Tim Cook
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jonmorris
15-06-2016
I think there have always been some major features on OSX and iOS on the past that moved the game forwards. Indeed, when I switched from Windows to OSX in the early 2000s I never really looked back.

Now OSX seems to be something Apple doesn't care much about. Indeed, I think it would sooner lock it down and merge it with iOS than spend a fortune on it. Mind you, it did get a new name!

And iOS does feel like it's now catching up, not leading the way.

It makes me wonder how Apple can be working on something we can't live without on the new iPhone 7, as against just creating a new design, switching to AMOLED and further improving the camera quality (maybe dual lenses).

There won't be anything bad or wrong with it, but it will likely be more hype than anything else.
DevonBloke
15-06-2016
It is getting harder and harder to get new things into a smartphone.
I just think we are currently trying to go a little too fast for current tech advancement.
30 years ago we would have expected some new stuff every 5 - 10 years. Now we want it every 12 months. We're not quite there yet but it's coming.

One thing I would like is wireless charging. But not just wireless. Fast wireless charging.
How come we can charge an EV to 80 miles (about 20Kwh or 20,000 Watt hours) in 30 minutes but it still takes a few hours for a smartphone battery that's only a measly 6.9 Watt Hours at a much lower voltage?
If you could drop your phone onto a pad and have it 80% charged in 30 minutes, that would be a must have right there!

The other thing of course is a bio sensor for the very early detection of cancer and disease within a few minutes. Think we might have to wait for the iPhone 12 for that one though not least because it would have to sequence your DNA on the spot in a few minutes.
I can see a time though where a smartphone update will include new diseases and aliments added to the list.
alanwarwic
15-06-2016
Well, considering we have just had Lenovo demonstrating their folding screens, that has to be the next big thing for 2017. (near everyone will want a 5" screen that can switch to being 7")

And unless those stories, back in January, that large scale production has already been started by Samsung for Apple OLED screens is for new Macbooks, then an iPhone 7 Plus F will have a folding screen.

I really cannot see them switching to OLED there without a secondary reason. For laptops it is different. Mass production of 11"+ screens can hardly happen unless Apple buys in, them being even more expensive to make.
Faust
15-06-2016
The other thing of course is that with iOS10 and macOS Apple has consigned a lot of devices to the recycling centre.
jonmorris
15-06-2016
Does seem like my old iMac narrowly makes it, and my MacBook Air is safe for another year.
Stereo Steve
15-06-2016
Meanwhile on Android another game I downloaded to pass the time while Dad was at the doctor requires a full restart and a trip to the bin. Android is seriously shite.
jonmorris
15-06-2016
What game was that?
d123
15-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“The other thing of course is that with iOS10 and macOS Apple has consigned a lot of devices to the recycling centre.”

Yep, it's scandalous they will only support back to the iPhone 5, I mean what are they thinking? Discontinuing support for a handset like the 4s that's only 5 years old!

they should be more like Android and support phones for longer...



calico_pie
15-06-2016
Bloody Apple.
gomezz
15-06-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“To be fair, when was the last time an OS feature did set the world alight?”

I think Double Tap to Wake deserved to on Windows phones (saves fiddling with physical buttons especially when partially obscured by a car cradle etc). Sadly MS seemed to have binned it in W10 on their latest models.
Faust
15-06-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Yep, it's scandalous they will only support back to the iPhone 5, I mean what are they thinking? Discontinuing support for a handset like the 4s that's only 5 years old!

they should be more like Android and support phones for longer...



”

I'm not talking iToys (though there are huge numbers of the iPad 2 still in use) but more their desktop line i.e. 'proper computers'.
Faust
15-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Meanwhile on Android another game I downloaded to pass the time while Dad was at the doctor requires a full restart and a trip to the bin. Android is seriously shite.”

Hmm! do you realise how ridiculous that statement makes you sound?
d123
15-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I'm not talking iToys (though there are huge numbers of the iPad 2 still in use) but more their desktop line i.e. 'proper computers'.”

That would be the iPad 2 released in 2011?

So which of their 'proper computers' run on iOS? You did make specific mention of iOS 10 and that "lots of devices" are consigned to the recycling centre....


Originally Posted by Faust:
“The other thing of course is that with iOS10 and macOS Apple has consigned a lot of devices to the recycling centre.”

calico_pie
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
“I'm not talking iToys (though there are huge numbers of the iPad 2 still in use) but more their desktop line i.e. 'proper computers'.”

Is dropping support for Macs from 2008/09 in 2016 particularly unreasonable?

iToys was pretty funny though! I don't know if it was intentional, but I liked how you took the i from the iPhone and iPad to make it like a child's toy - iToys! Well, it made me anyway. Genius! I'm surprised no-one has thought of something like that before.
Faust
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Is dropping support for Macs from 2008/09 in 2016 particularly unreasonable?

iToys was pretty funny though! I don't know if it was intentional, but I liked how you took the i from the iPhone and iPad to make it like a child's toy - iToys! Well, it made me anyway. Genius! I'm surprised no-one has thought of something like that before.”

I turned them down due to prior commitments so they went with Jonny Ive instead. Support for XP by MS makes them look like saints in comparison.
moox
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by calico_pie:
“Is dropping support for Macs from 2008/09 in 2016 particularly unreasonable?”

Yeah, why not. Computing technology has not advanced in leaps and bounds since then - they've become more power efficient but not really any more powerful. The core components of my PC are from 2008. It still feels just as fast and responsive as any modern PC. It runs Windows 10 with ease.

This should be especially true if the machine is an expensive one, with high end components from the day - like a Mac Pro, but officially you can't run it on any MP before 2010.

No doubt, people will find unofficial ways to make it work - but they shouldn't have to. If a few hobbyists can make it work well, so can Apple
Faust
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“That would be the iPad 2 released in 2011?

So which of their 'proper computers' run on iOS? You did make specific mention of iOS 10 and that "lots of devices" are consigned to the recycling centre....”

I didn't say their 'proper computers' run on iOS if you read what I say. There are quite a number of desktops affected by the move to macOS. Google to look at the list.

On the phone front my 4s will no longer be supported either.
Faust
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“Yeah, why not. Computing technology has not advanced in leaps and bounds since then - they've become more power efficient but not really any more powerful. The core components of my PC are from 2008. It still feels just as fast and responsive as any modern PC. It runs Windows 10 with ease.

This should be especially true if the machine is an expensive one, with high end components from the day - like a Mac Pro, but officially you can't run it on any MP before 2010.

No doubt, people will find unofficial ways to make it work - but they shouldn't have to. If a few hobbyists can make it work well, so can Apple”

Absolutely correct - with the initial cost of a Mac Pro and it's high end specs to lose support in such a short time is ridiculous.

My mid-2011 iMac with it's increased RAM and SSD actually runs better and faster now than it did when it was new and yet support for this is now looking increasingly limited.
Broken Hope
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“Yeah, why not. Computing technology has not advanced in leaps and bounds since then - they've become more power efficient but not really any more powerful. The core components of my PC are from 2008. It still feels just as fast and responsive as any modern PC. It runs Windows 10 with ease.

This should be especially true if the machine is an expensive one, with high end components from the day - like a Mac Pro, but officially you can't run it on any MP before 2010.

No doubt, people will find unofficial ways to make it work - but they shouldn't have to. If a few hobbyists can make it work well, so can Apple”

They possibly don't have compatible hardware for the new continuity features.
jonmorris
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by moox:
“Yeah, why not. Computing technology has not advanced in leaps and bounds since then - they've become more power efficient but not really any more powerful. The core components of my PC are from 2008. It still feels just as fast and responsive as any modern PC. It runs Windows 10 with ease.

This should be especially true if the machine is an expensive one, with high end components from the day - like a Mac Pro, but officially you can't run it on any MP before 2010.

No doubt, people will find unofficial ways to make it work - but they shouldn't have to. If a few hobbyists can make it work well, so can Apple”

If the OS can't run at all, that's fine. But if it can run but Apple restricts purely based on what age/version your machine is then it's a bit underhand.

Of course older hardware will lack certain things, but even Windows can manage different hardware specs and hide incompatible features.

I get that it could be expensive and time consuming to develop and test for older hardware and at some point you just give up. There's no law on supporting a computer for any length of time, unlike say supporting a car by making parts available for nn years, or the rail/aviation industry having to provide parts and support for trains and planes for decades.
d123
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Faust:
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On the phone front my 4s will no longer be supported either.”

Scandalous, I mean not supporting the iPhone 4s that only launched in 2011!

Apple should take a leaf out of android's book and ensure they support devices for at least 10 years!

oh.....wait....
Stereo Steve
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by d123:
“Scandalous, I mean not supporting the iPhone 4s that only launched in 2011!

Apple should take a leaf out of android's book and ensure they support devices for at least 10 years!

oh.....wait....”

Surely that would be not support them in the first place?
-GONZO-
16-06-2016
I do find this kind of amusing, everytime there's a new generation on iOS you get owners of older devices moaning how the likes of their iPhones are now slow and pretty much useless because they've updated and cannot downgrade.
Apple decide not to support an older device and owners are moaning because they won't get the new iOS that may very well slow down their device if they did support it.
d123
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Stereo Steve:
“Surely that would be not support them in the first place?”

You have a point there .
moox
16-06-2016
Originally Posted by Broken Hope:
“They possibly don't have compatible hardware for the new continuity features.”

That's probably the least significant reason to drop support, though.

In the iOS world they're happy to supply updates to older phones, but remove any new features that can't work with the hardware

Originally Posted by jonmorris:
“If the OS can't run at all, that's fine. But if it can run but Apple restricts purely based on what age/version your machine is then it's a bit underhand.

Of course older hardware will lack certain things, but even Windows can manage different hardware specs and hide incompatible features.

I get that it could be expensive and time consuming to develop and test for older hardware and at some point you just give up. There's no law on supporting a computer for any length of time, unlike say supporting a car by making parts available for nn years, or the rail/aviation industry having to provide parts and support for trains and planes for decades.”

Apple are no stranger to arbitrarily cutting off support for hardware.

They aren't forced to support it, you're right, but it might make customers think again about buying that new Mac - why pay for a premium over a PC when one of its advantages has disappeared?
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