In the middle of a discussion about something else, someone will pop up with something about "Tory election fraud", to quiz someone who's critical of Labour about why they aren't criticising "Tory election fraus", or to ask why the "right wing media" (which the tweeters seem to think includes the BBC) aren't covering it. Some even claim it's somehow why the Tories won the general election.

Is there some kind of claim of vote-rigging, or something? Or is it just the election expenses story relabelled as "fraud"?

Tory election fraud

Is there a spelling mistake in my post, or something?

I can't work out what point you're trying to make.

But perhaps someone else can explain what the "fraud" is supposed to be or why BBC journalists are being attacked over it.

http://www.libdemvoice.org/undeclare...ews-50237.html

What? you haven't heard much about it from the BBC news service? or in the right wing press? I can't for the life of me imagine why that might be in our liberal democracy with it's free and impartial media.
EDITED TO ADD,

it has not been "re labelled as fraud" it IS fraud.

http://evolvepolitics.com/twitter-er...may-elections/



Let me explain, it has the word "Tory" followed by "election fraud" so why the hell would the BBC news or the right wing media give a flying one about drawing it to people's attention?
they have to keep the airways clear for the important stuff, Jeremy Corbyn might leave the toilet seat up or walk on the cracks in the pavement. hell he might not wear a tie!!!!


Yes but Ken is a commie Labour politician KEEP UP.

Jerry mobilised momentum to fight the power


It's why they were put together after all.

It's an interesting tactic, just remains to be seen if they can sell the story of not. If it's genuinely the media that are uninterested or if the public just kind of well, expect the Tories to try and buy elections and aren't interested either

They spent more money than they claimed to have

Haven't you heard about it?

Well, that might be because the BBC, Sky News and ITV News have been ignoring it for months.

The investigation into Tory election fraud was started months ago by Michael Crick and Channel 4 News. See their twitter feeds for details. There's also quite a few videos on YT.

Anyway it's this lot - all 24 of them:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-broke-7467603

Covered, but low profile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36094111

Very few people care because it is mainly a technical point about whether the "battle buses" should have been accounted for in local election spending or national.
The amounts involved are relatively trivial as well.
The expenses that weren't declared at all are more serious but again it is fairly trivial sums involved so it just isn't big news.

Also involves Grant Shapps and Martin Clarke, the Tatler Tory, if that does not worry, the hug hoody Tory type, may I point to the West and I say, Trump this way!

of course they have heard about it - they mentioned it within the post you quoted:


That's the problem with inventing a media cover up of a story that was been widely reported at the time - you just confuse people. Far better to dig through presstv archives or social media histories

Is it to do with postal ballot fraud and dead people voting? No wait, that's Labour. it's to do with the Tories spending more than they should.

Which is worse. Apparently.

I had heard about the battle-bus thing previously but never had it as some major national fraud scandal, so I looked at the links people have posted and re-read the article, to find that it does indeed appear to be a somewhat technical point about stuff being declared on the from form rather than not being declared at all.


The undeclared stuff is something that every party gets, because you have to ask if everyone got a receipt for every packet of crisps anyone brought on board, and how many jelly babies have to be consumed before the declaration threshold is reached? Was that bottled water or tap water, and was it metered or not?

And 'election fraud' definitely means vote-rigging, missing out the word 'expenses' is just a teensy bit misleading. But since when did truth have anything to do with memes and hashtags?

Interesting that 9 of those were MP's who won seats from the Libdems...I wonder if the voters in those constituencies are still happy with what they voted for.

or elections

It's an odd story to choose to be honest. The Tories have given them so many gems even if you just take this year. If it was me I would have gone for something that resonates locally, Academies, tax breaks paid for by slashed services, or something to pull at the bleeding hearts such as refugee children.

This one I fear will only get an "oh that..." response. Problem I guess is it's the only "evidence" they have against the golden circle.

It is to do with the Conservative Battle Bus that toured the country - it seems the costs should have been included against the local Constituency and not Central Office. I have asked before but I do wonder what the difference between the Conservative battle bus and Harriet Harman's pink monstrosity. Was that charged to local Labour Constituency Parties?

lol..

who said that? got a link?
ALL accusations or charges of election fraud should be thoroughly investigated, I know it's probably quite 'tribal' of me to say such biased thing, but I don't care, call me a sad old stick in the mud who has these strange beliefs that the rules should apply to everyone equally,

it seems the BBC news office tends not to agree these days though.

Actually there is a spelling mistake, you wrote


I wouldn't have mentioned it, but you did ask

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/05/04/g...scandal-video/



But in general 'the media' prefer to keep us looking the other way. on the one hand we have a 'crisis' in the Labour party over one allegation of anti Semitism (and it is one despite the media's constant lies that KL has been suspended for the same thing) and another for allegedly "bringing the party into disrepute" is seen as FAR more important in the media, than allegations which, if true, could see up to 24 Tory MPs banned from holding office for 3 years, as well as a possible year in jail a criminal record, and the loss of the governments majority.

Now let me see,....I wonder which is most newsworthy?

How tribal can someone be to attempt to defend possible electoral fraud.

That's about as tribal as it gets.

I am still waiting for a link or a quote in which someone says electoral fraud is 'worse' when the Tories are accused of doing it,

I would imagine that anyone who supports democracy would want to see all allegations of electoral fraud investigated rigorously no matter who is being accused,

and when, or IF it's investigated then I shall accept the results of any legal proceedings,
again, no matter which party is involved,

because when it comes to things which should be above tribal politics I would think that defrauding the electoral process in in order to influence the outcome of an election would be RIGHT up there, along with using allegations of racism to score cheap points.

I suppose on the plus side there are now more chances of some extensions being granted. On the minus side more chances of individuals escaping scrutiny due to funny handshakes or the cases not being seen to meet exceptional circumstances' justifying the grant of the application, and that there has been no undue delay in the investigation of the offence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0e6da49a5ab37

Requoted, because it sums it up nicely....