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Old 03-05-2016, 23:56
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In the middle of a discussion about something else, someone will pop up with something about "Tory election fraud", to quiz someone who's critical of Labour about why they aren't criticising "Tory election fraus", or to ask why the "right wing media" (which the tweeters seem to think includes the BBC) aren't covering it. Some even claim it's somehow why the Tories won the general election.

Is there some kind of claim of vote-rigging, or something? Or is it just the election expenses story relabelled as "fraud"?

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Old 04-05-2016, 00:06
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Tory election fraud
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Old 04-05-2016, 00:09
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Tory election fraud
Is there a spelling mistake in my post, or something?

I can't work out what point you're trying to make.

But perhaps someone else can explain what the "fraud" is supposed to be or why BBC journalists are being attacked over it.
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Old 04-05-2016, 00:13
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http://www.libdemvoice.org/undeclare...ews-50237.html
Undeclared Conservative election expenses unearthed by Channel 4 News
What? you haven't heard much about it from the BBC news service? or in the right wing press? I can't for the life of me imagine why that might be in our liberal democracy with it's free and impartial media.
EDITED TO ADD,

it has not been "re labelled as fraud" it IS fraud.
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Old 04-05-2016, 00:23
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http://evolvepolitics.com/twitter-er...may-elections/

Twitter erupts as BBC struggle to keep Tory Election Fraud under wraps until after May elections
With over 30,000 tweets today, the hashtag #ToryElectionFraud has been trending on Twitter at number 3, and is currently (at the time of writing) the sixth most tweeted about issue..
Let me explain, it has the word "Tory" followed by "election fraud" so why the hell would the BBC news or the right wing media give a flying one about drawing it to people's attention?
they have to keep the airways clear for the important stuff, Jeremy Corbyn might leave the toilet seat up or walk on the cracks in the pavement. hell he might not wear a tie!!!!

However, with such a big political news story currently unfurling, you would have expected the media to be all over it like a rash – just as they were with the Ken Livingstone anti-Semitism saga last week.
Yes but Ken is a commie Labour politician KEEP UP.

Despite the furore that Channel 4’s investigation has created, there has been virtually no other coverage from the mainstream media of this deeply undemocratic scandal. And Twitter was rightly outraged at the lack of coverage.
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:41
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In the middle of a discussion about something else, someone will pop up with something about "Tory election fraud", to quiz someone who's critical of Labour about why they aren't criticising "Tory election fraus", or to ask why the "right wing media" (which the tweeters seem to think includes the BBC) aren't covering it.
Jerry mobilised momentum to fight the power

We have a party under attack from much of the media in this country like it has never been under attack before. How do we reach out to people? We reach out because we come together at events like this. We reach out through social media in a massive way. And so I find that social media has a very important role to play in this.
It's why they were put together after all.

It's an interesting tactic, just remains to be seen if they can sell the story of not. If it's genuinely the media that are uninterested or if the public just kind of well, expect the Tories to try and buy elections and aren't interested either
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Old 04-05-2016, 02:42
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They spent more money than they claimed to have
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Old 04-05-2016, 04:00
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In the middle of a discussion about something else, someone will pop up with something about "Tory election fraud", to quiz someone who's critical of Labour about why they aren't criticising "Tory election fraus", or to ask why the "right wing media" (which the tweeters seem to think includes the BBC) aren't covering it. Some even claim it's somehow why the Tories won the general election.

Is there some kind of claim of vote-rigging, or something? Or is it just the election expenses story relabelled as "fraud"?

Haven't you heard about it?

Well, that might be because the BBC, Sky News and ITV News have been ignoring it for months.

The investigation into Tory election fraud was started months ago by Michael Crick and Channel 4 News. See their twitter feeds for details. There's also quite a few videos on YT.

Anyway it's this lot - all 24 of them:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-broke-7467603
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:39
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Covered, but low profile:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36094111
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Old 04-05-2016, 06:53
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Very few people care because it is mainly a technical point about whether the "battle buses" should have been accounted for in local election spending or national.
The amounts involved are relatively trivial as well.
The expenses that weren't declared at all are more serious but again it is fairly trivial sums involved so it just isn't big news.
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Old 04-05-2016, 07:01
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They spent more money than they claimed to have
Also involves Grant Shapps and Martin Clarke, the Tatler Tory, if that does not worry, the hug hoody Tory type, may I point to the West and I say, Trump this way!
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Old 04-05-2016, 08:56
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Haven't you heard about it?
of course they have heard about it - they mentioned it within the post you quoted:

Or is it just the election expenses story relabelled as "fraud"?
That's the problem with inventing a media cover up of a story that was been widely reported at the time - you just confuse people. Far better to dig through presstv archives or social media histories
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:06
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Is it to do with postal ballot fraud and dead people voting? No wait, that's Labour. it's to do with the Tories spending more than they should.

Which is worse. Apparently.
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Old 04-05-2016, 09:33
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Very few people care because it is mainly a technical point about whether the "battle buses" should have been accounted for in local election spending or national.
I had heard about the battle-bus thing previously but never had it as some major national fraud scandal, so I looked at the links people have posted and re-read the article, to find that it does indeed appear to be a somewhat technical point about stuff being declared on the from form rather than not being declared at all.

The expenses that weren't declared at all are more serious but again it is fairly trivial sums involved so it just isn't big news.
The undeclared stuff is something that every party gets, because you have to ask if everyone got a receipt for every packet of crisps anyone brought on board, and how many jelly babies have to be consumed before the declaration threshold is reached? Was that bottled water or tap water, and was it metered or not?

And 'election fraud' definitely means vote-rigging, missing out the word 'expenses' is just a teensy bit misleading. But since when did truth have anything to do with memes and hashtags?
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:15
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Interesting that 9 of those were MP's who won seats from the Libdems...I wonder if the voters in those constituencies are still happy with what they voted for.
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:24
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But since when did truth have anything to do with memes and hashtags?
or elections

It's an odd story to choose to be honest. The Tories have given them so many gems even if you just take this year. If it was me I would have gone for something that resonates locally, Academies, tax breaks paid for by slashed services, or something to pull at the bleeding hearts such as refugee children.

This one I fear will only get an "oh that..." response. Problem I guess is it's the only "evidence" they have against the golden circle.
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Old 04-05-2016, 10:28
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In the middle of a discussion about something else, someone will pop up with something about "Tory election fraud", to quiz someone who's critical of Labour about why they aren't criticising "Tory election fraus", or to ask why the "right wing media" (which the tweeters seem to think includes the BBC) aren't covering it. Some even claim it's somehow why the Tories won the general election.

Is there some kind of claim of vote-rigging, or something? Or is it just the election expenses story relabelled as "fraud"?

It is to do with the Conservative Battle Bus that toured the country - it seems the costs should have been included against the local Constituency and not Central Office. I have asked before but I do wonder what the difference between the Conservative battle bus and Harriet Harman's pink monstrosity. Was that charged to local Labour Constituency Parties?
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Old 04-05-2016, 11:16
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Is it to do with postal ballot fraud and dead people voting? No wait, that's Labour. it's to do with the Tories spending more than they should.

Which is worse. Apparently.
lol..
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Old 04-05-2016, 17:03
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Is it to do with postal ballot fraud and dead people voting? No wait, that's Labour. it's to do with the Tories spending more than they should.

Which is worse. Apparently.
who said that? got a link?
ALL accusations or charges of election fraud should be thoroughly investigated, I know it's probably quite 'tribal' of me to say such biased thing, but I don't care, call me a sad old stick in the mud who has these strange beliefs that the rules should apply to everyone equally,

it seems the BBC news office tends not to agree these days though.
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Old 04-05-2016, 22:03
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Is there a spelling mistake in my post, or something?

I can't work out what point you're trying to make.

But perhaps someone else can explain what the "fraud" is supposed to be or why BBC journalists are being attacked over it.
Actually there is a spelling mistake, you wrote

to quiz someone who's critical of Labour about why they aren't criticising "Tory election fraus",
I wouldn't have mentioned it, but you did ask
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Old 04-05-2016, 23:16
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http://www.thecanary.co/2016/05/04/g...scandal-video/

Grant Shapps goes to pieces on live television over the Tory election fraud scandal (VIDEO)
While the mainstream media has largely ignored one of the biggest election scandals Britain has ever seen in favour of salivating over Labour party infighting, social media is in meltdown over the Conservative election expenses scandal. Dozens of Tory MPs face accusations that they illegally overspent in the 2015 general election campaign by failing to declare costs associated with the Conservative campaign “battle buses”. If the allegations are true, the MPs and their agents could face a year in jail and/or an unlimited fine, as well as a three-year ban on holding elective office – potentially triggering by-elections across the country and losing the Conservatives their majority in parliament.
But in general 'the media' prefer to keep us looking the other way. on the one hand we have a 'crisis' in the Labour party over one allegation of anti Semitism (and it is one despite the media's constant lies that KL has been suspended for the same thing) and another for allegedly "bringing the party into disrepute" is seen as FAR more important in the media, than allegations which, if true, could see up to 24 Tory MPs banned from holding office for 3 years, as well as a possible year in jail a criminal record, and the loss of the governments majority.

Now let me see,....I wonder which is most newsworthy?
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Old 04-05-2016, 23:42
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Is it to do with postal ballot fraud and dead people voting? No wait, that's Labour. it's to do with the Tories spending more than they should.

Which is worse. Apparently.
How tribal can someone be to attempt to defend possible electoral fraud.

That's about as tribal as it gets.
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Old 04-05-2016, 23:55
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How tribal can someone be to attempt to defend possible electoral fraud.

That's about as tribal as it gets.
I am still waiting for a link or a quote in which someone says electoral fraud is 'worse' when the Tories are accused of doing it,

I would imagine that anyone who supports democracy would want to see all allegations of electoral fraud investigated rigorously no matter who is being accused,

and when, or IF it's investigated then I shall accept the results of any legal proceedings,
again, no matter which party is involved,

because when it comes to things which should be above tribal politics I would think that defrauding the electoral process in in order to influence the outcome of an election would be RIGHT up there, along with using allegations of racism to score cheap points.
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Old 05-05-2016, 06:59
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A CPS spokesperson said: “Following a constructive meeting with the police and Electoral Commission, it has been agreed that each relevant police force will consider what action to take.

“This may include making an application to the court under s.176 of the Representations of the People Act 1983 to extend the time allowed to bring a prosecution.”
I suppose on the plus side there are now more chances of some extensions being granted. On the minus side more chances of individuals escaping scrutiny due to funny handshakes or the cases not being seen to meet exceptional circumstances' justifying the grant of the application, and that there has been no undue delay in the investigation of the offence.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...b0e6da49a5ab37
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Old 05-05-2016, 09:16
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Is it to do with postal ballot fraud and dead people voting? No wait, that's Labour. it's to do with the Tories spending more than they should.

Which is worse. Apparently.
Requoted, because it sums it up nicely....
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