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Old 06-05-2016, 07:46
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Wow!

Second mention at 7:40. Amazing how this is now on the agenda after the polls have closed.
Yes, it's almost as if there are some rules about what can be reported on before elections that don't apply after the polls close.

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Old 06-05-2016, 08:19
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Yes, it's almost as if there are some rules about what can be reported on before elections that don't apply after the polls close.

Spooky.
Those rules don't apply to this otherwise Channel 4 news wouldn't have covered the story. Not Spooky, fishy.
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Old 06-05-2016, 09:10
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Those rules don't apply to this otherwise Channel 4 news wouldn't have covered the story. Not Spooky, fishy.
BBC's interpretation of the rules is different to CH4's.

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Old 06-05-2016, 09:21
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BBC's interpretation of the rules is different to CH4's.

Spooky!
No, still fishy.
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Old 06-05-2016, 09:36
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So... some accountant at head office reckons the battle bus can be declared on the central accounts and therefore not have to be taken out of constituency totals, someone said "oi you can't do that", and the electoral commission is currently trying to figure out who's right? Or was there something else?

How do the official definitions apply in relation to a national touring campaign bus, and does it automatically get classified as part of a local campaign or is a line drawn depending on whether it was requested by the constituency or sent by head office as part of an entitlement for all those membership subscriptions sent in?

Or you could ban all vehicles from outside the constituency if they are red or blue or yellow or orange or purple or green until they are confirmed as not campaigning, likewise anyone with a sticker in their car window or even pedestrians with suspiciously clean non-supermarket carrier bags which just happen to have political messages on them.... the potential fallout from this could be fun!
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Old 06-05-2016, 10:09
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Or you could ban all vehicles from outside the constituency if they are red or blue or yellow or orange or purple or green until they are confirmed as not campaigning, likewise anyone with a sticker in their car window or even pedestrians with suspiciously clean non-supermarket carrier bags which just happen to have political messages on them.... the potential fallout from this could be fun!
Don't forget pink buses. And I have a Conservative Foundation umbrella. So would that have to be accounted for? Or would I be banned from using it during any election window?
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Old 06-05-2016, 14:22
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I assumed it was the complaint from labour supporters that the Tories aren't a legal government because they didn't score over 50% in the GE.

Ignoring the fact that no government has done that since about 1919.
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:00
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The police are the ones that have to go to court to get an extension to the 12 months period in which prosecutions \ charges should be made. As they don't have the evidence they don't know how to apply for an extension because if they make it vague it will be thrown out but if they name the MPs and nothing comes of the case then it leaves them open to all sorts of charges and allegations.
LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:03
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Whoopie!

Also made the 6pm news on Radio 4.

The BBC can't get enough of this story now it can't affect the election. There weren't so shy reporting Labour's anti-semitism troubles during the campaign.
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:05
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LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
I half heard that report. Did they say that 12 constituencies are to be further investigated?
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:14
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I half heard that report. Did they say that 12 constituencies are to be further investigated?
I think they did mention the number of MPs in the frame. Sorry that I cannot confirm that important detail.
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:21
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LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
Thanks for the update
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:36
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So is this really all just about the accounting procedure for the bus the Torys used? That a bit lame, no? And the usual hysterical labour fan boys making out this is as bad or worse than the jew bashing in labour? What a weird world!
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Old 06-05-2016, 18:39
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So is this really all just about the accounting procedure for the bus the Torys used? That a bit lame, no? And the usual hysterical labour fan boys making out this is as bad or worse than the jew bashing in labour? What a weird world!
Oh dear. And the Tory party and it's supporters used to be the law and order party.
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Old 06-05-2016, 19:00
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So is this really all just about the accounting procedure for the bus the Torys used? That a bit lame, no? And the usual hysterical labour fan boys making out this is as bad or worse than the jew bashing in labour? What a weird world!
Weird weird weird.

How can anyone compare the fine lines between anti-semitism, anti-zionism and anti-Israeli government policy with a potentially criminal act that is being investigated by the police.

It's PC gone mad I tell you.
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Old 06-05-2016, 19:26
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Whoopie!

Also made the 6pm news on Radio 4.

The BBC can't get enough of this story now it can't affect the election. There weren't so shy reporting Labour's anti-semitism troubles during the campaign.
That's total rubbish. The BBC, ITN (for ITV, C4 & C5) and Sky News have all been covering this story for the past few days. Basically, the Conservatives failed to properly declare local expenditures in quite a number of Westminster constituencies in 2015 across the country and, quite frankly, it is totally unacceptable for any one party to unilaterally decide that they are not going to abide by Electoral Commission rules.

The very recently elected Tory Police & Crime Commissioner for Devon & Cornwall Police, Alison Hernandez, is now under active investigation by her own police force over this very matter. In the past, bent and corrupt Labour councillors have been punished for the abuse of the postal voting process and now these bent and corrupt Tories ought to be equally punished.
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Old 06-05-2016, 20:02
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Aside from the fiddling of election expenses that the public are not aware of, the system that runs in the country can be called the 'Out of proportion media representation system'.

There is near to no media coverage when it is a story about Conservatives being guilty of anything.
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Old 06-05-2016, 20:06
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So... some accountant at head office reckons the battle bus can be declared on the central accounts and therefore not have to be taken out of constituency totals, someone said "oi you can't do that", and the electoral commission is currently trying to figure out who's right? Or was there something else?

How do the official definitions apply in relation to a national touring campaign bus, and does it automatically get classified as part of a local campaign or is a line drawn depending on whether it was requested by the constituency or sent by head office as part of an entitlement for all those membership subscriptions sent in?

Or you could ban all vehicles from outside the constituency if they are red or blue or yellow or orange or purple or green until they are confirmed as not campaigning, likewise anyone with a sticker in their car window or even pedestrians with suspiciously clean non-supermarket carrier bags which just happen to have political messages on them.... the potential fallout from this could be fun!
So basically you're saying the people in charge of the economy can't add up!
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Old 06-05-2016, 20:11
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Aside from the fiddling of election expenses that the public are not aware of, the system that runs in the country can be called the 'Out of proportion media representation system'.

There is near to no media coverage when it is a story about Conservatives being guilty of anything.
It quite clearly has been on news channels and on internet news reports: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=police+i...penses&tbm=nws

I want to see the Tories who perpetrated these actions be held to account and be firmly punished for wrongdoing. Electoral malpractice of any sort is completely unacceptable because it is an attempt to subvert the democratic process and that's just not on.
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Old 06-05-2016, 20:17
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So basically you're saying the people in charge of the economy can't add up!
No, as in the HQ-supplied bus being accounted for in the HQ accounts with al the invoices etc fully declared and even added up in the HQ 'battle bus' book rather than split 24 ways and declared/accounted at each constituency, and again this all depends on whether it's counted as a local campaign thing or a national campaign thing and that seems to be the key question.

As regards the economy, I don't think anyone in charge of it has ever been able to make the figures work, which is why they talk about billions all the time, they know that nobody can visualise that much cash and therefore won't spot the mistakes.
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Old 06-05-2016, 20:54
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It quite clearly has been on news channels and on internet news reports: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=police+i...penses&tbm=nws

I want to see the Tories who perpetrated these actions be held to account and be firmly punished for wrongdoing. Electoral malpractice of any sort is completely unacceptable because it is an attempt to subvert the democratic process and that's just not on.
The first mention of it for me was via here. Being so low key makes it harder to debunk or accept.
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Old 06-05-2016, 22:09
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LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
The eight forces actively investigating are West Yorkshire Police, Derbyshire Police, Greater Manchester Police, Devon and Cornwall Police, Gloucestershire Police, Northamptonshire Police, Staffordshire Police, and Cheshire Police.
A further four forces are waiting for further information, the BBC understands.
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Old 06-05-2016, 22:18
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It seems to date back to a Channel 4 news investigation, maybe starting at this by-election.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35562697
A Conservative spokeswoman, speaking on Wednesday, said: "All by-election spending has been correctly recorded in accordance with the law."

A bit like tax avoidence then, the 'immoral party' say.
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Old 06-05-2016, 22:37
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Whoopie!

Also made the 6pm news on Radio 4.

The BBC can't get enough of this story now it can't affect the election. There weren't so shy reporting Labour's anti-semitism troubles during the campaign.
You could not shut the BBC up, they were also lead camera on John Mann stage, when he door stepped Ken while he was on the radio with LBC. What is it these days with actual fact and chronological order of the truth? People do realise it looks rather silly.
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Old 06-05-2016, 22:40
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The media in this country stinks. Fair and balanced it most certainly is not.
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