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What is the "Tory election fraud" people are tweeting about? |
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Wow!
Second mention at 7:40. Amazing how this is now on the agenda after the polls have closed. Spooky. |
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Yes, it's almost as if there are some rules about what can be reported on before elections that don't apply after the polls close.
Spooky. |
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Those rules don't apply to this otherwise Channel 4 news wouldn't have covered the story. Not Spooky, fishy.
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BBC's interpretation of the rules is different to CH4's.
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So... some accountant at head office reckons the battle bus can be declared on the central accounts and therefore not have to be taken out of constituency totals, someone said "oi you can't do that", and the electoral commission is currently trying to figure out who's right? Or was there something else?
How do the official definitions apply in relation to a national touring campaign bus, and does it automatically get classified as part of a local campaign or is a line drawn depending on whether it was requested by the constituency or sent by head office as part of an entitlement for all those membership subscriptions sent in? Or you could ban all vehicles from outside the constituency if they are red or blue or yellow or orange or purple or green until they are confirmed as not campaigning, likewise anyone with a sticker in their car window or even pedestrians with suspiciously clean non-supermarket carrier bags which just happen to have political messages on them.... the potential fallout from this could be fun! |
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Or you could ban all vehicles from outside the constituency if they are red or blue or yellow or orange or purple or green until they are confirmed as not campaigning, likewise anyone with a sticker in their car window or even pedestrians with suspiciously clean non-supermarket carrier bags which just happen to have political messages on them.... the potential fallout from this could be fun!
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I assumed it was the complaint from labour supporters that the Tories aren't a legal government because they didn't score over 50% in the GE.
Ignoring the fact that no government has done that since about 1919. |
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The police are the ones that have to go to court to get an extension to the 12 months period in which prosecutions \ charges should be made. As they don't have the evidence they don't know how to apply for an extension because if they make it vague it will be thrown out but if they name the MPs and nothing comes of the case then it leaves them open to all sorts of charges and allegations.
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Whoopie!
Also made the 6pm news on Radio 4. The BBC can't get enough of this story now it can't affect the election. There weren't so shy reporting Labour's anti-semitism troubles during the campaign. |
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LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
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I half heard that report. Did they say that 12 constituencies are to be further investigated?
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LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
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So is this really all just about the accounting procedure for the bus the Torys used? That a bit lame, no? And the usual hysterical labour fan boys making out this is as bad or worse than the jew bashing in labour? What a weird world!
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So is this really all just about the accounting procedure for the bus the Torys used? That a bit lame, no? And the usual hysterical labour fan boys making out this is as bad or worse than the jew bashing in labour? What a weird world!
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So is this really all just about the accounting procedure for the bus the Torys used? That a bit lame, no? And the usual hysterical labour fan boys making out this is as bad or worse than the jew bashing in labour? What a weird world!
How can anyone compare the fine lines between anti-semitism, anti-zionism and anti-Israeli government policy with a potentially criminal act that is being investigated by the police. It's PC gone mad I tell you. |
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Whoopie!
Also made the 6pm news on Radio 4. The BBC can't get enough of this story now it can't affect the election. There weren't so shy reporting Labour's anti-semitism troubles during the campaign. The very recently elected Tory Police & Crime Commissioner for Devon & Cornwall Police, Alison Hernandez, is now under active investigation by her own police force over this very matter. In the past, bent and corrupt Labour councillors have been punished for the abuse of the postal voting process and now these bent and corrupt Tories ought to be equally punished. |
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Aside from the fiddling of election expenses that the public are not aware of, the system that runs in the country can be called the 'Out of proportion media representation system'.
There is near to no media coverage when it is a story about Conservatives being guilty of anything. |
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So... some accountant at head office reckons the battle bus can be declared on the central accounts and therefore not have to be taken out of constituency totals, someone said "oi you can't do that", and the electoral commission is currently trying to figure out who's right? Or was there something else?
How do the official definitions apply in relation to a national touring campaign bus, and does it automatically get classified as part of a local campaign or is a line drawn depending on whether it was requested by the constituency or sent by head office as part of an entitlement for all those membership subscriptions sent in? Or you could ban all vehicles from outside the constituency if they are red or blue or yellow or orange or purple or green until they are confirmed as not campaigning, likewise anyone with a sticker in their car window or even pedestrians with suspiciously clean non-supermarket carrier bags which just happen to have political messages on them.... the potential fallout from this could be fun!
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Aside from the fiddling of election expenses that the public are not aware of, the system that runs in the country can be called the 'Out of proportion media representation system'.
There is near to no media coverage when it is a story about Conservatives being guilty of anything. I want to see the Tories who perpetrated these actions be held to account and be firmly punished for wrongdoing. Electoral malpractice of any sort is completely unacceptable because it is an attempt to subvert the democratic process and that's just not on. |
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So basically you're saying the people in charge of the economy can't add up!
![]() As regards the economy, I don't think anyone in charge of it has ever been able to make the figures work, which is why they talk about billions all the time, they know that nobody can visualise that much cash and therefore won't spot the mistakes. |
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It quite clearly has been on news channels and on internet news reports: https://www.google.co.uk/#q=police+i...penses&tbm=nws
I want to see the Tories who perpetrated these actions be held to account and be firmly punished for wrongdoing. Electoral malpractice of any sort is completely unacceptable because it is an attempt to subvert the democratic process and that's just not on. |
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LBC have just said that Greater Manchester Police have made that application in court. And have won the extension. And that a further 7 Police Forces are likely to proceed in the same way (using this precedent).
A further four forces are waiting for further information, the BBC understands. |
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It seems to date back to a Channel 4 news investigation, maybe starting at this by-election.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35562697 A Conservative spokeswoman, speaking on Wednesday, said: "All by-election spending has been correctly recorded in accordance with the law." A bit like tax avoidence then, the 'immoral party' say. |
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Whoopie!
Also made the 6pm news on Radio 4. The BBC can't get enough of this story now it can't affect the election. There weren't so shy reporting Labour's anti-semitism troubles during the campaign. |
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The media in this country stinks. Fair and balanced it most certainly is not.
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