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Anyone who bends or breaks election rules ought to feel the full force of the law irrespective of party label and that equally applies to your own beloved Tory party, which as you can see from the post directly above, is deliberately trying to nobble and disrupt a formal police investigation into Tory election spending malpractice.
I will also point out that, as yet, NO ONE has been found guilty of anything, therefore everyone being investigated is currently innocent of any wrongdoings. |
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And now the police are investigating Labour MP Cat Smith over potentially illegal election expenses
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-36366980 http://order-order.com/2016/05/24/po...tion-expenses/ http://order-order.com/2016/05/18/sh...money-mystery/ "Lancashire Police said: "We have received a complaint and we are in the early stages of looking into the matter to establish whether there is anything to substantiate the allegations being made." The desperation to show that Labour or the SNP are just as bad is overwhelming. |
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It's also unfortunate that there is a one year time limit for prosecutions under election law which I think ought to be at least three years and preferably the more usual six year limit on prosecutions.
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The Police aren't investigating yet. From you own link:
"Lancashire Police said: "We have received a complaint and we are in the early stages of looking into the matter to establish whether there is anything to substantiate the allegations being made." The desperation to show that Labour or the SNP are just as bad is overwhelming. Detectives have launched an investigation into shadow minister Cat Smith ? |
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Anyone who bends or breaks election rules ought to feel the full force of the law irrespective of party label and that equally applies to your own beloved Tory party, which as you can see from the post directly above, is deliberately trying to nobble and disrupt a formal police investigation into Tory election spending malpractice.
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And there is a difference between a party that has the odd Member that bends the rules and a party that systematically subverts spending limits (including some spectacular amounts) and then tries to obstruct the course of justice like common criminals.
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So you didn't read the one that said
Detectives have launched an investigation into shadow minister Cat Smith ? |
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Tories challenge application by Kent police for more time to investigate 2015 Tory expenses in South Thanet http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kent/new...o-court-96365/ …
https://twitter.com/MichaelLCrick/st...40997743644672 Tories go to court to try to prevent Kent police having extra time to investigate huge sums they spent in defeating Farage in South Thanet. https://twitter.com/jonsnowC4/status/735158282889879552 Got something to hide by any chance, Mr Cameron?! |
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Tories go to court to try to prevent Kent police having extra time to investigate huge sums they spent in defeating Farage in South Thanet.
Sounds like everyone is doing their job! Fraud squad are investigating, need more time, the lawyers for the defence argue against, tune in next week though I don't expect them to be breathing a sigh of relief.Though at the same time there is the question of why the investigation started so long after the fact and so close to the deadline, and whether this means someone wasn't doing their job in the first place. If the constituencies affected all had names starting with 'Z' I could maybe understand why they weren't spotted earlier. |
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Cat Smith story picked up by mainstream media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nding-law.html https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...her-cat-smiths |
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Cat Smith story picked up by mainstream media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nding-law.html https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...her-cat-smiths Are the kiddies still allowed near machinery? |
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I put more weight on direct quotes by the police in a credible source than editorial by a biased online campaigner.
In the past few days Lancashire Police have received a number of complaints from members of the public, and last night they confirmed that detectives have launched an investigation. |
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Sounds like everyone is doing their job! Fraud squad are investigating, need more time, the lawyers for the defence argue against, tune in next week
![]() They're fishy as ****. |
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I can't recall another time where a UK political party have gone to court to prevent a Police investigation.
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Cat Smith story picked up by mainstream media
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...nding-law.html https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk...her-cat-smiths Obviously, it makes for a far better story to pretend the police are investigating fraud than to write that police are deciding if there is anything to investigate or if the claim is totally unfounded. |
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Given that it's politics I'd be surprised if it's never happened before - with any luck someone has an 'overall party dodginess' scorecard somewhere...
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100% and unreservedly, agree,
I will also point out that, as yet, NO ONE has been found guilty of anything, therefore everyone being investigated is currently innocent of any wrongdoings. Quote:
Sounds like everyone is doing their job! Fraud squad are investigating, need more time, the lawyers for the defence argue against, tune in next week
though I don't expect them to be breathing a sigh of relief.Though at the same time there is the question of why the investigation started so long after the fact and so close to the deadline, and whether this means someone wasn't doing their job in the first place. If the constituencies affected all had names starting with 'Z' I could maybe understand why they weren't spotted earlier. Quote:
LOL You really must try harder. The Tory party is not my beloved party as you describe it. I have never voted for them in a General Election, can you say the same ?
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To be fair, it took many months for the Channel 4 news team, and Michael Crick in particular, to put all the incoming strands of evidence together that indicated that something was significantly amiss with Conservative expenses declarations hence the late start to the police and Electoral Commission investigations.
Reading their website there's a key paragraph that stands out to me Quote:
The Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000 (PPERA) sets out rules about: So rather than inconvenience too many MPs, or spend too much effort they appear to just do a bit of spot checking. Combine that with a one year get out of jail free clause and it's just asking for the big parties to take the p.where political parties and other groups or individuals we regulate can receive funds from how much they can spend on campaigning at certain elections transparency in our political system We work to ensure that people comply with these rules by: providing advice and guidance to help people understand the rules receiving, analysing and publishing information about party donations and campaign spending monitoring how well the rules are being followed advising governments on changes to the rules and making recommendations for change dealing with possible breaches of the rules We take a proportionate approach in making sure that what we do achieves our objectives. We target our resources where they will have the most impact, and avoid unnecessary burdens on those we regulate. makes me wonder what their objectives are that they hope to achieve? |
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New expenses scandal emerges as Tories fight police in court
As the Conservatives go to court to prevent police investigating its South Thanet election expenses, Channel 4 News reveals fresh evidence of undeclared expenses there, and the scale of the operation http://www.channel4.com/news/new-exp...olice-in-court
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New expenses scandal emerges as Tories fight police in court
As the Conservatives go to court to prevent police investigating its South Thanet election expenses, Channel 4 News reveals fresh evidence of undeclared expenses there, and the scale of the operation http://www.channel4.com/news/new-exp...olice-in-court ![]() South Thanet is where this scandal becomes easily digestible headline news with a clear victim and clear motive, for potentially illegal actions. Big day Wednesday. Tory Lawyers vs The Police with a Judge as piggy in the middle. |
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New expenses scandal emerges as Tories fight police in court
As the Conservatives go to court to prevent police investigating its South Thanet election expenses, Channel 4 News reveals fresh evidence of undeclared expenses there, and the scale of the operation http://www.channel4.com/news/new-exp...olice-in-court ![]() Based on the most recent evidence of dubious practice emerging from the South Thanet constituency, the Conservatives are highly unlikely to win their case because there is prima facie evidence which warrants investigation. |
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Another day, another 'misdeclaration'.
This time, fake Conservative supporters, courtesy of the DWP! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-pose-8076351 |
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Another day, another 'misdeclaration'.
This time, fake Conservative supporters, courtesy of the DWP! http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...n-pose-8076351 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...ctoral-8041095 |
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I can't recall another time where a UK political party have gone to court to prevent a Police investigation.
They're fishy as ****. It turns out that there are 18 police investigations now up and down the country into these matters. |
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though I don't expect them to be breathing a sigh of relief.