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Nicole the best judge. She coached/mentored James Arthur brilliantly.

Should have stopped polishing it after Alexandra Burke won!

Fingers crossed. Would be good to see a fun panel again!

Yeah its certainly an upgrade on last years judges. But louis has always been cowells puppet, i think nicole is the best judge as she tends to go with the most talented singers. She gave us james arthur who is arguably the best xfactor performer in recent years. I really dont like cowell though, he has become very bland and i feel were gonna end up with more bupsies and fleurs with cowell back, i find these bland dancers very boring. Sharon appears to like rock so we might get something different from her, louis is basically simon's puppet so it just means more manipulation you can bet your life savings cowell will be grooming a boy band to win this series.

Definitely an upgrade on last year but then that would not have been difficult. A good panel though and with Dermot back then it could be a good year.

Add to that the ten weeks we usually get. The seven weeks last year was one of the problems

couldn't agree more with you

Now that 1D have split, they need Louis to help pick out some talentless boys to help form a band to autotune that will make brainless teenage girls go wild.

I'm wondering which kind of people will sing infront of those old people like Sharon and Louis. I couldn't take them seriously. I think this show is a great oppurtunity but for me you need people on the panel which are a little bit more current. Its a lie for me, that succesful artist won't find new great talent. I think James Blunt would do it great if someone would ask him. And to be honest he would sell records also if there were someone new in the business who comes from the show.

This show isn't about singing or about the contestants. It's an entertainment show. If you don't take it too seriously it's actually quite funny to see the lengths they will go to in order to convince the viewers that certain contestants are good and should have a career in music. In terms of the judging line up they've gone for big characters. Sharon has ripped the crap out of singing talent shows not that long ago...would be good if this translated to her being back on the Panel and she was brutally honest with the contestants instead of being all fake and nicey nicey. Would be good to see the real Sharon. In fact, the same goes for all the judges. Stop telling 40 or 50 year olds that they're incredible and they're going to have a career in music...it's not going to happen. The show has been on air for 11 years and apart from a boy band and a girl band (oh, and Olly Murs), they haven't been able to nurture or develop anyone and give them a long term career. And even Olly Murs they resorted to making him the presenter of the show that he came runner up on...you couldn't make this crap up. I mean, 11 years is and that's all they've managed despite the huge amount of people we've seen on the show. It's just ridiculous.

and wont stop the usual suspects on here proclaiming their chosen one this year that they are the future of music and about to introduce a new era

you would think at some point people would learn from history that its highly unlikely we are going to see some sort of musical savant emerge on XF

does the show allow some above average karaoke singers to have their 15 minutes of fame and maybe get a slightly higher profile of gig than singing in their local pub, of course it does, but for the vast majority thats the limit

I see the usual suspects in this thread and forum still continually post about their hate for the show - All of these theories and trying to tell people they are wrong about liking an artist or a contestant that go on the show. Well here's mine -

My theory is this - X Factor was done originally as a entertainment show. Simon Cowell is very Clever and he uses it to launch artists that so say auditioned - that's BS, they use it as a platform, a prime example is contestants like Leona Lewis, Alexandra and Fleur - let's not try and pretend they didn't get approached and fast tracked - considering all 3 had massive connections - Alex mum being in a worldwide group. Leona Lewis having music out before she was on the show and Fleur with DJ fresh and a boyfriend that dresses Chris brown and Jason Derulo, not forgetting Alex and Fleur are previous contestants - yet they still went for the boost of x factor, and then there is the latest winner she was already known to Simon Cowell cos of BGT - syco launch who they want and they use the show to do it - having a look at previous winners most of them were already known to the industry - Talent scouts are used and this show is nowhere near what the public perceive it to be. It's very manipulative and It wouldn't surprise me if out of these final 12/16 contestants the ones syco are launching were signed before the show started.

Also stop trying to slyly but not doing it very well dig at other FM's as it could be seen as baiting.

Lol its true in 11 years the show has only truly produced JLS, 1D, LITTLE MIX, LEONA AND ALEX. Tbh thats a terrible ratio considering the show has been going 11 years!! Lool never realised it has been going over a decade lol

I'd add Olly, Fleur (arguably), Ella Henderson, Brenda Edwards (who's doing well in musical theatre), and Shayne Edward now in the soaps. Big personalities that have done well are also Rylan, Stacey Soloman and Jedward. So it's bigger than you think.

Fleurs a new artist she needs at least another year to define being successful but she's off to a good start, olly deffo and Ella, it's yet to be seen how Louisa and Reggie and Bollie get on

Just because someone's not in music doesn't mean they aren't successful ie Rylan and Stacey etc like the poster above said and Rachel adedji is now in hollyoaks

There has been many success stories

lol im talking about acts who have sold millions of albums globally. You really cannot put jedward and 1D in the same league or JLS and FLeur. Just getting a record deal does not automatically make you a global sensation like 1d or jls. X factor has only produced only a handful of these which i mentioned previously.

Has there been a tv show which has a whole list of artists that have sold millions of albums globally to its name ?

I'd be surprised if they produce a group that will do as well as ID or JLS. Other efforts (Futureproof, 'Octogroup' (I've forgotten their name) didn't work out. No mixed group has got anywhere.

*sudden memory - man in audience calling ONLY THE YOUNG*

These artists are from 4-5 years ago, basically half a decade, the point is the show is no longer what it once was and no longer produces artists of this calibre so in fact NO there is no longer any tv show that produces artists of global multi million album selling power. Xfactor is well and truly past its sell by date.

LmfAo!! ONLY THE YOUNG !!! MAN U DONT KNOW HOW BADLY I WANTED TO GO TO A OTY CONCERT JST TO REPLICATE THAT MAN LOLOLOL

But was there ever?, I can only think of 4 myself from American idol that were successful outside of America unless there's loads I'm unaware of

in terms of finding new truly successful artists x factor and pop idol (american idol in particular) WERE good about 10 years ago when it was all fresh and new but no you only need to look at the most recent syco signings to see the decline it is there for all to see. 10 years ago if louisa won the 1st or even 2nd series of xfactor she without doubt would have been selling millions worldwide. Nothing lasts forever, the novelty has worn off and winning/ coming second in x factor is no longer a guaranteed path to success.

Nah - the music industry has been on a steady decline over the last couple of years and I can see 2017 being mostly streaming, paid for sales are declining month after month - whether you come from XF or not, I don't know anyone selling millions worldwide except for Adele .

Look at the selling figures for artists these days - Most barely even scraping 30k first week album sales, only a select few who have had a few years to gain a fanbase and marketed well - streaming has taken over a lot, it's not just acts of XF who have to worry, Unfortunately sales really are tragic and really The only way labels make any proper money is through merchandise and tours, royalties and albums a little, It goes way beyond the top 40

I can't believe people are citing the likes of Rylan and Shayne Ward as X-Factor success stories. Shayne Ward is in Coronation Street, because his music career failed. And in the case of Rylan, X-Factor is supposed to be a show to find a singer not a TV presenter.

Rylan was a model so wanted exposure really to launch a career