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EE: Assisted Suicide - Do You Agree? *spoiler*
With the spoiler about how Peggy will die, do you agree that a person should be able to decide pain free and end their own life if they want to?
I think it's right. |
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As someone who has had to sit with family members for days while qlwaiting for them tp die but seeing them in agony yes i agree
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Yes , I agree, you wouldn't let a dog or any animal suffer.
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Peggy could go to switzerland and do it legally.
I think fine, choose to die that is your own choice but it is selfishh to leave a loved one behind facing criminal charges assisted suicide or even suicide is just plain selfish. that being said if the law doesn't change I will be going to switzerland |
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Yes, I very much do.
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People have the right to commit suicide, but they do not have the right to make others help them do it. I feel that if one wants to die, do it on your own, don't leave people behind who will feel guilty or might face charges. That is selfish.
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Peggy could go to switzerland and do it legally.
I think fine, choose to die that is your own choice but it is selfishh to leave a loved one behind facing criminal charges assisted suicide or even suicide is just plain selfish. that being said if the law doesn't change I will be going to switzerland I have witnessed two family members suffer with Dementia, and I saw them suffer right to the end. I would commit suicide than end up like them, anyone who has known someone with dementia will tell you that they would rather die, than end up like that, I have always looked at dementia as being a fate worse than death. I do support the government making it legal to end a life, if people are terminally ill, it's a matter of opion, but if someone is suffering and want's to die, I think it's the right thing to do. |
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People have the right to commit suicide, but they do not have the right to make others help them do it. I feel that if one wants to die, do it on your own, don't leave people behind who will feel guilty or might face charges. That is selfish.
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People have a right to end their own lives once they know there is no prospect of a recovery. Peggy is still at the stage where she doesn't need assistance, although she may ask Phil to turn a blind eye, and that's also fine by me as long as he can handle it.
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They only ask another person to do it so it is as painless for them as possible.. don't see how letting someone die in peace is wrong in this country!?
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Spoiler
My spoiler, its a bit of a shame all this has come out, it would have been much more effective if it was a suprise |
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Yes of course, if life becomes absolutely interminable I would assist a love one in a hearbeat and hope they would do the same foe me
. As for the story line it works, the whole she has giving up nothing left to fight for but being Peggy takes back control for herself. Think it is very fitting for the character.
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Peggy could go to switzerland and do it legally.
I think fine, choose to die that is your own choice but it is selfishh to leave a loved one behind facing criminal charges assisted suicide or even suicide is just plain selfish. that being said if the law doesn't change I will be going to switzerland |
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BIB: Having taken an overdose a few years ago (though obviously I survived it) I take exception to that. I suffer from depression and at that point I saw no reason to carry on, my life really felt like it was not worth living. Unless you've been in that position yourself you can't really understand the feelings that make people do it.
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BIB: Having taken an overdose a few years ago (though obviously I survived it) I take exception to that. I suffer from depression and at that point I saw no reason to carry on, my life really felt like it was not worth living. Unless you've been in that position yourself you can't really understand the feelings that make people do it.
but it is selfish, the person wanting to commit suicide is thinking only of themselves at that point given how desperate they feel, they think they are doing everyone a favour. what is not being thought about is the friends, families, colleagues being left behind those people that care then of course there are the emergency services that have to attend to you, even the 999 staff who pick up the calls are affected by such events. If as is common round here you choose to do it in a public place like off a bridge into the motorway, all those people who see it will be affected by it, all those people who's journeys are delayed/aborted are affected by it, the driver of the lorry/car or whatever that hits you as you fall to the tarmac is affected and possibly traumatised for the rest of theirs lives so no, I am sorry I don't accept the argument that it is not selfish. I will accept at that moment you feel it is the only option and that you are doing everyone a favour and thinking you are being anything but selfish but that is your state of mind at that moment it doesn't mean you are not being selfish |
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I agree, as somebody posted earlier. Pets don't suffer, why should humans? If somebody is dying and they want to do it before they get too ill, why not?
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BIB: Having taken an overdose a few years ago (though obviously I survived it) I take exception to that. I suffer from depression and at that point I saw no reason to carry on, my life really felt like it was not worth living. Unless you've been in that position yourself you can't really understand the feelings that make people do it.
Also, from my experience of depression, you can get so down that you think it would actually be a blessing or relief to your friends to have it over with, that they'd be better off without you. By which i mean, you can see that your illness is causing them pain but you can't stop feeling that way. You can tell they are constantly on edge wondering if you might kill yourself and that it isn't a life for them. Once dead, they'd grieve but they'd be able to move on with their life. You're wrong of course, the people that love you would always rather you stay alive, no matter how much worry you cause them. They will spend the rest of their lives wondering what they could have done differently to save you, they'll blame themselves. But desperate and depressed people do,'t think clearly. Re the opening question. Yes i do agree that Assisted suicide should be made legal but until such time as that happens, I do think it is a selfish thing to ask a loved one to help as mercy killing or not, it is still killing and they might not be able to deal with that mentally, not to mention the potential legal consequences. As an aside, I rather wish they wouldn't always present it in Soap, especially when phrased as being a 'brave ' decision whereby the soon to be deceased is 'taking control' of their life and not "allowing' Cancer to have the last laugh. I just think that whilst many might feel like that, just as many are willing to let Nature take its course and that doesn't make them weak or that they are 'giving in' to Cancer - or any other terminal disease. Of course Cancer is a cruel illness and the last months, weeks, days can be more awful than words can describe, for the person dying and those that love them. But, there is also excellent Paliative care available (although like everything underfunded) and it is possible for pain to be managed and dignity accorded at the end whilst letting the end come naturally. As somebody that has helped to nurse a loved one through their final days in my home, i actually find the idea that I let him down, and let him suffer unnecessarily by not assisting suicide (not that he asked) as seems to be suggested sometimes rather offensive and upsetting. I just think it could make some people who have had a terminal diagnosis feel that they SHOULD be speeding the process up, as much so their family don't see them suffer as anything else and I think that is possibly dangerous. |
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They only ask another person to do it so it is as painless for them as possible.. don't see how letting someone die in peace is wrong in this country!?
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How do you know that I haven't been in that position?
but it is selfish, the person wanting to commit suicide is thinking only of themselves at that point given how desperate they feel, they think they are doing everyone a favour. what is not being thought about is the friends, families, colleagues being left behind those people that care then of course there are the emergency services that have to attend to you, even the 999 staff who pick up the calls are affected by such events. If as is common round here you choose to do it in a public place like off a bridge into the motorway, all those people who see it will be affected by it, all those people who's journeys are delayed/aborted are affected by it, the driver of the lorry/car or whatever that hits you as you fall to the tarmac is affected and possibly traumatised for the rest of theirs lives so no, I am sorry I don't accept the argument that it is not selfish. I will accept at that moment you feel it is the only option and that you are doing everyone a favour and thinking you are being anything but selfish but that is your state of mind at that moment it doesn't mean you are not being selfish |
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How do you know that I haven't been in that position?
but it is selfish, the person wanting to commit suicide is thinking only of themselves at that point given how desperate they feel, they think they are doing everyone a favour. what is not being thought about is the friends, families, colleagues being left behind those people that care then of course there are the emergency services that have to attend to you, even the 999 staff who pick up the calls are affected by such events. If as is common round here you choose to do it in a public place like off a bridge into the motorway, all those people who see it will be affected by it, all those people who's journeys are delayed/aborted are affected by it, the driver of the lorry/car or whatever that hits you as you fall to the tarmac is affected and possibly traumatised for the rest of theirs lives so no, I am sorry I don't accept the argument that it is not selfish. I will accept at that moment you feel it is the only option and that you are doing everyone a favour and thinking you are being anything but selfish but that is your state of mind at that moment it doesn't mean you are not being selfish |
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It's defiantly right. I wouldnt wamy to see a human or animal suffering when fataly ill or injured . that is just cruel.
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But why do they need help. surely they can take a lethal pill cocktail without someone feeding them, unless they are completely disabled.
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If peggy wants to end her suffering then thats her choice. What i don't agree with is asking others to help leaving them with the consequences which could be a possible criminal conviction. There is nothing more selfish than that. There is no way peggy would do that and since Barbara has had a lot of input in this i don't expect this to happen that way.
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I feel Someone should have a choice to die if they Are suffering
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How do you know that I haven't been in that position?
but it is selfish, the person wanting to commit suicide is thinking only of themselves at that point given how desperate they feel, they think they are doing everyone a favour. what is not being thought about is the friends, families, colleagues being left behind those people that care then of course there are the emergency services that have to attend to you, even the 999 staff who pick up the calls are affected by such events. If as is common round here you choose to do it in a public place like off a bridge into the motorway, all those people who see it will be affected by it, all those people who's journeys are delayed/aborted are affected by it, the driver of the lorry/car or whatever that hits you as you fall to the tarmac is affected and possibly traumatised for the rest of theirs lives so no, I am sorry I don't accept the argument that it is not selfish. I will accept at that moment you feel it is the only option and that you are doing everyone a favour and thinking you are being anything but selfish but that is your state of mind at that moment it doesn't mean you are not being selfish |
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. As for the story line it works, the whole she has giving up nothing left to fight for but being Peggy takes back control for herself. Think it is very fitting for the character.