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Old 15-05-2016, 20:39
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Continuation of: The DS Eurovision General Discussion Thread (Part 60)

I got back from Stockholm a bit earlier (yes I am still alive to answer one question I saw while reading back through the pages ) and it was a fantastic week, I took my Mum along for the ride this time and treated her to tickets, her first Eurovision (but a lifelong fan) and it seemed fitting as she's originally from Stockholm.

Not particularly surprised with Russia not winning, always suspected the juries wouldn't go for that. Am surprised the public went for Ukraine though but I suspect there were politics involved, the song might be a historic one but parallels can still be drawn with the situation today. I am delighted that it won though, she performed it amazingly and everyone who laughed at me when I told them that it would win about a month ago is not so smug now! Was a great moment when it overtook Australia (I have a feeling them winning would damage credibility)

The new voting system worked really well and it was a really exciting and tense atmosphere at the end in the arena last night. Never felt anything like it. I would guess that it only works well when the juries and the public disagree though, wouldn't be as exciting if they agreed and it would just be obvious.

Petra was a great host as expected, Måns slipped and tripped over words and grammar a few times but was otherwise good, particularly in the performances. Petra though was flawless and I have not read anything negative about her anywhere. Another surprise was the Olsen Brothers performing their winning song just before the show started.

As for the UK coming 24th, I am a little surprised it was that low, but then would I have it in my top 10? Probably not. Very strong line up and you were in the middle of some good songs. Over here I have heard not much bad about the UK entry but nothing great either, and when you consider it's not a million miles away from Denmark's entry who were out in semis, it makes sense.

Any other thoughts will come later.

Gossip bonus - It was also reported today in the papers that Carola was extremely angry that Måns took away the microphone when she was singing last night!
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:44
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I would encourage all to think about this when our current government is trying to gain control of who sits on the board of the BBC and what content it puts out!
Yes of course, I'm 100% with you on that, plus also the mass love in for Georgia was odd too so I'm not going to put us on a pedastal.

What is agging me the most about J&J was there seemed to be no imagination in the UK staging, the vocals were just there and I didn't sense the desire that spindiddly rightly points out from Rus & Aus.
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:49
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Sure Ukraine was the last safe by a mile but Russia and Australia weren't safe in the way the UK was, which was what I was responding to.

There was strain in Dami's voice last night, those vocals were not perfect. She was going for the win and she pushed herself right to the top of her range.

And Sergey put on one hell of a 3 minute show because he too wanted that title.

Our boys did nothing of the sort. Safe.
Russia and Australia to me were the safest songs in the contest. Perhaps we are getting our definitions mixed up. I mean safe as a song that will yield results and you are talking about safe in regards to stretching yourself.

The UK's song is not a type of song that naturally yields results so to me it was not safe, combined with staging that I saw as them trying to go against the flow of the gimmicky led screens as not safe. (although others could say it was lazy!)

In regards to stretching I can only say that harmonizing with someone else is a risky business and they were nailing it a lot of the time. They also seem like they were putting a lot of effort in behind the scenes but I certainly can't confirm that.

At the end of the day spinny, you and I watch for different things and the contest is only better with the likes of both of us.
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:51
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Yes of course, I'm 100% with you on that, plus also the mass love in for Georgia was odd too so I'm not going to put us on a pedastal.

What is agging me the most about J&J was there seemed to be no imagination in the UK staging, the vocals were just there and I didn't sense the desire that spindiddly rightly points out from Rus & Aus.
Definitely. The bloke (Can't remember is name - Jay something?) the BBC is no doubt paying to be our 'creative' director really does need to go now. Even we have had some better ideas. They need to employ someone who actually knows about ESC and has done it before, or just don't bother. Put the money towards a better selection first. What's the point in paying someone for a great stage if you don't even have a great song to start with. It's just a waste imo. Especially if you don't get an amazing stage anyway.

I agree on the jury issue also, how can we talk about the jury of Azerbaijan etc. When we have been just as bad? Much like when all of them put the Polish milk maids last.
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:54
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Russia and Australia to me were the safest songs in the contest. Perhaps we are getting our definitions mixed up. I mean safe as a song that will yield results and you are talking about safe in regards to stretching yourself.

The UK's song is not a type of song that naturally yields results so to me it was not safe, combined with staging that I saw as them trying to go against the flow of the gimmicky leds as not safe. (although others could say it was lazy!)

In regards to stretching I can only say that harmonizing with someone else is a risky business and they were nailing it a lot of the time. They also seem like they were putting a lot of effort in behind the scenes but I certainly can't confirm that.

At the end of the day spinny, you and I watch for different things and the contest is only better with the likes of both of us.
Ohhhhh. My apologies I misunderstood what you were saying.

You're absolutely right though, Russia and Australia were the two songs most guaranteed to do well.
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:55
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Yes of course, I'm 100% with you on that, plus also the mass love in for Georgia was odd too so I'm not going to put us on a pedastal.

What is agging me the most about J&J was there seemed to be no imagination in the UK staging, the vocals were just there and I didn't sense the desire that spindiddly rightly points out from Rus & Aus.
Eh? With a song like the UK's the trick is in the harmonizing, not whether they move around like donkey kong or banshee it up. I'm all for you saying the song was dull as ditchwater, but the desire at least to me was clearly there.
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Old 15-05-2016, 20:57
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I would encourage all to think about this when our current government is trying to gain control of who sits on the board of the BBC and what content it puts out!
Exactly, i have always had the feeling that our own leaders (regardless of parties )are as shifty as hell and in many ways undemocratic. Would not trust them an inch. Not to mention all the crap at the BBC. No countries are angels . Hopefully most people are sensible and want fair play .

Remember the hoohaa with Russia snottily saying they would not return after Conchita won? All blather and feather rustling. It makes them look very childish. They sent a really good song and decent man this year. They wish to be seen and thought of well in Europe after all the negative stuff. Once they get the stick out of their backside I'm sure like Arnie they will be back.
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:00
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Definitely. The bloke (Can't remember is name - Jay something?) the BBC is no doubt paying to be our 'creative' director really does need to go now. Even we have had some better ideas. They need to employ someone who actually knows about ESC and has done it before, or just don't bother. Put the money towards a better selection first. What's the point in paying someone for a great stage if you don't even have a great song to start with. It's just a waste imo. Especially if you don't get an amazing stage anyway.

I agree on the jury issue also, how can we talk about the jury of Azerbaijan etc. When we have been just as bad? Much like when all of them put the Polish milk maids last.
Do what most of the others do and rent a Swedish team. Maybe we could try and lure G:son away from Georgia while we're at it.
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:00
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Has anyone mentioned that the Barbara Dex voting is open? Link.
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:05
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Has anyone mentioned that the Barbara Dex voting is open? Link.
My vote goes to Poland. Naturally!
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:06
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Do what most of the others do and rent a Swedish team. Maybe we could try and lure G:son away from Georgia while we're at it.
Can we not just steal Erika Selin (and Timoteij) She'd do it for Ireland...
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:08
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Has anyone mentioned that the Barbara Dex voting is open? Link.
Thankyou

Done. Voted for Jaimie Lee. No one could have looked dafter on the night
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:11
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Can we not just steal Erika Selin (and Timoteij) She'd do it for Ireland...
That works for me!
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:12
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If Jamie Lee doesn't walk it, it's a sad world
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:12
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Gossip bonus - It was also reported today in the papers that Carola was extremely angry that Måns took away the microphone when she was singing last night!
I thought that was scripted like in 2013 when she got blown away by a fan! :O

Also, if you get a chance, would you mind watching some of SVT's coverage? I would love to know what was so important for the commentator to constantly talk over the performances (or perhaps you've heard people complain about it).
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:14
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Was it ever announced how the Sammarinese/Albanian/any other country that doesn't have a televote televotes scores were decided upon?
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:14
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If Jamie Lee doesn't walk it, it's a sad world
What about Nina? She could still be in with a shout, I think.

Edit: or Rykka's Selma Bouvier impression. Or Bosnia's golden tinfoil?
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:28
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If I were the UK HoD, I'd be sorely tempted to ask The Debs and Anton Hard (You, Heroes, My Heart Wants Me Dead, Cool Me Down) to write a song for us.
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:33
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Video messages for Jamala. I'm sure Poli singing who let the dogs out wasn't directed at Jamala.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhJJZeutUQE

There's been some aggressive clicking on youtube, check out the likes/dislikes ratio...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-rnM-MwRHY
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:35
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I thought that was scripted like in 2013 when she got blown away by a fan! :O

Also, if you get a chance, would you mind watching some of SVT's coverage? I would love to know what was so important for the commentator to constantly talk over the performances (or perhaps you've heard people complain about it).
Yes I'll have a look tomorrow. I have heard a little about it and saw it on the news directly after the show last night, will investigate!
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:48
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Eh? With a song like the UK's the trick is in the harmonizing, not whether they move around like donkey kong or banshee it up. I'm all for you saying the song was dull as ditchwater, but the desire at least to me was clearly there.
Well I just don't see it. Harmonising was good yes but that's about as positive as I can be. I think it's important to reflect and learn, something is obviously not right and change is needed.
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:49
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Last posting of the voting link. Results tomorrow evening.

http://tummiweb.com/scorewiz/rsvp/152214/3g4t6
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:51
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Well I just don't see it. Harmonising was good yes but that's about as positive as I can be. I think it's important to reflect and learn, something is obviously not right and change is needed.
Where as I would say we have moved a step in the right direction. We just need a few (or many ) more steps in said direction. We will see which pov the bbc takes.
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:57
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Last posting of the voting link. Results tomorrow evening.

http://tummiweb.com/scorewiz/rsvp/152214/3g4t6
Can you post the results of the semis again? Missed them
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Old 15-05-2016, 21:58
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