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Old 18-05-2016, 19:48
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So this exists. Jamala out performing 1944 in May 2015.

https://youtu.be/6xivfN-MCjQ?t=238
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Old 18-05-2016, 20:01
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro...g_Contest_2016

The scorecard has been completed on wiki now. Can see where the televotes went!
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Old 18-05-2016, 20:33
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Ok voting closed in DSFE just in case anyone was wondering!
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Old 18-05-2016, 20:41
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All this Russian nonsense reminds me of how they tried to get the Olsen Brothers disqualified after they won and Russia came second because they used that voice distortion during the performance which they claimed broke the rules about pre-recorded vocals even though they were clearly singing live. Pathetic really, no one was demanding Believe be disqualified for being shite.
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Old 18-05-2016, 20:48
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I've seen people (not here but in other places) say that it's Australia's fault that Macedonia didn't qualify. So I thought it'd be interesting to work out how the second semi would work out if there was no Australia - and there were some interesting results!


1st: Ukraine - 310 points (+1)
2nd: Belgium - 277 points (+1)
3rd: Lithuania - 235 points (+1)
4th: Bulgaria - 230 points (+1)
5th: Poland - 172 points (+1)
6th: Latvia - 160 points (+2)
7th: Israel - 159 points (-)
8th: Georgia - 146 points (+1)
9th: Serbia - 115 points (+1)
10th: Belarus - 97 points (+2)

11th: Macedonia - 87 points (-)
12th: Norway - 73 points (+1)
13th: Slovenia - 62 points (+1)
14th: Ireland - 53 points (+1)
15th: Switzerland - 51 points (+3)
16th: Albania - 48 points (-)
17th: Denmark - 45 points (-)

So, still no Kaliopi in the final, instead Belarus take Australia's spot. Latvia and Switzerland both got a lot of 11th places, the latter so much that they nearly doubled their points! Macedonia are the only country to lose points, and Latvia, Ukraine, Switzerland and Georgia have the biggest increase.
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Old 18-05-2016, 21:46
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I could be wrong because Facebook translate isn't always accurate but I THINK Maria Haukaas Storeng (now Mittet) recently gave birth to her second baby boy. <3
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Old 18-05-2016, 22:06
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All this Russian nonsense reminds me of how they tried to get the Olsen Brothers disqualified after they won and Russia came second because they used that voice distortion during the performance which they claimed broke the rules about pre-recorded vocals even though they were clearly singing live. Pathetic really, no one was demanding Believe be disqualified for being shite.
Don't the Russians have a habit of this, they complained about Ireland's missing televotes when Turkey beat them in 2003.
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Old 18-05-2016, 23:32
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Wow! Jamala has confirmed that is her performing! She says it was in a rehearsal and the lyrics were different.

https://eurovisionireland.net/2016/0...ne-eurovision/

However, there is definitely a sizable audience based on the levels of applauds. Although, the video could have perhaps been edited.
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Old 18-05-2016, 23:45
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Well, obviously. We didn't need her confirmation unless she has an identical twin?
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Old 19-05-2016, 00:05
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Wow! Jamala has confirmed that is her performing! She says it was in a rehearsal and the lyrics were different.

https://eurovisionireland.net/2016/0...ne-eurovision/

However, there is definitely a sizable audience based on the levels of applauds. Although, the video could have perhaps been edited.
Nobody was questioning if it was her or not, people were speculating over if it should be allowed when it was performed publicly prior to open submissions in September.
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Old 19-05-2016, 02:01
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I still can't believe how badly Serbia did with the juries.....it was certainly worthy of more than a paltry 35 points
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Old 19-05-2016, 02:11
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In my defense, the article speculated that a Russian made the video and dubbed over it. They suggested it was possible that you couldn't tell if the performer was Jamala or some other woman with the audio dubbed over.
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Old 19-05-2016, 08:29
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This whole trying to discredit Ukraine thing has really soured the contest for me. I'm totally fed up of it.

I don't like the song, but it won, like many songs before it which I also often didn't like. Big deal, shit happens, there's always next year. Get over it, discreditors! Obviously I'm talking directly to the crazed Russian fans and not you guys
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Old 19-05-2016, 10:24
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This whole trying to discredit Ukraine thing has really soured the contest for me. I'm totally fed up of it.

I don't like the song, but it won, like many songs before it which I also often didn't like. Big deal, shit happens, there's always next year. Get over it, discreditors! Obviously I'm talking directly to the crazed Russian fans and not you guys
Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
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Old 19-05-2016, 10:24
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Thing is, the EBU had ruled on this before the contest, I remember it. But they've put out another statement, just to draw a line under it

https://www.facebook.com/EBU.HQ/
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Old 19-05-2016, 10:28
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Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
You would think so, but that's probably not the case. Anja Nissen got cleared to sing this song at the Danish selection (so had it won, it would've gone to ESC) so I imagine Jamala would've been fine too. Rules schmules.

http://wiwibloggs.com/2016/01/22/emm...lified/117634/
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Old 19-05-2016, 10:28
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Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
So what could happen? Clearly Russia aren't going to keep quiet about this are they? If the EBU is pressurised, what could happen? The winner is disqualified and Australia become the winners? Or the result is allowed to stand - which could theoretically see other countries "cheating" knowing they can get away with it because they can use Ukraine as an example?
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Old 19-05-2016, 10:31
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Thing is, the EBU had ruled on this before the contest, I remember it. But they've put out another statement, just to draw a line under it

https://www.facebook.com/EBU.HQ/
Surprise, surprise. I wonder how many more times they'll have to keep doing this. Let it go, let it go...
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Old 19-05-2016, 10:54
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They're just not going to let it go are they? Can't help feel it's a distraction technique against THEIR OWN socio-politics going down at the mo.
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Old 19-05-2016, 11:00
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The EBU like breaking their own rules. It seems rules and conditions are only relevant to countries the EBU feel they can dictate to. For instance, despite some mumblings from some areas about Australia being allowed to enter, the EBU allowed them to do so - despite not actually being eligible to enter. Australia are Associate Members and as such do not have access to Eurovision events. But, it seems, the EBU have bent the rules, or ignored them, to allow Australia to enter. Here's a snippet from Wikipedia that confirms this:

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Countries with Associate EBU Membership.
Any group or organisation member of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which provide a radio or television service outside of the European Broadcasting Area, are permitted to submit applications to the EBU for Associate Membership. Countries which have this status also pay an annual fee to maintain this status. It was also noted by the EBU that any country that is granted Associate Member status does not include any access into the Eurovision system.

The list of Associate Members of EBU, comprised the following 39 broadcasting companies from 23 countries as of January 2016.


Now, what happens if countries like Bangladesh or Brazil say they want to enter but the EBU say they can't? On what grounds, considering Australia's entry, can these countries be denied?

Here is the whole wikipedia article:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe..._Union#Members

It should also be noted that it isn't as easy for ITV to just take control of the contest as many posters suggest. It appears that ITV are now only EBU members as part of a collective membership under the name of United Kingdom Independent Broadcasting, and membership is shared with Channel 4 and S4C. How would that work if the BBC decided not to show the contest? It also explains why the BBC is the broadcaster that the EBU officially invites to take part and not the UKIB.
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Old 19-05-2016, 11:07
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Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
I agree. Ukraine's song has breached two fundamental rules of the contest, and the outrage is more against the EBU for ignoring it and trying to brush it under the carpet than against Jamala. Of course Ukraine aren't going to be stripped of their title - the voting system would make determining a new winner equally as confusing and controversial, never mind the logistics of organising a new winner's ceremony / messing up the current plans for 2017 / having to sell DVDs with the "wrong" winner on it.

Personally, I'm not pleased with the winner being in breach of these rules. I know who my personal winner is, but as far as the voting went Jamala was a fair winner. All most people are asking is for the EBU to hold their hands up and say "ok, we messed up, this won't happen again". That's all. They've set a precedent for allowing rule breakers now (and the whole Australia-in-Eurovision debacle hasn't helped), and unless the EBU just admits that they made a mistake, lines and going to get blurred and even more controversy will arise in the future.

Trying to write off these complaints as "oooh it's just evil Russia again" only serves to minimise the problems that this contest has brought about.

Which is a shame, because it was a brilliant contest all round.
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Old 19-05-2016, 11:18
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It was also noted by the EBU that any country that is granted Associate Member status does not include any access into the Eurovision system
So basically, part of the Associate Membership doesn't include access to Eurovision unless the EBU give approval. You can come to the party Australia, you're fun, but Chile? Go home, stupid.

Is what it amounts to really, isn't it?
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Old 19-05-2016, 11:25
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So basically, part of the Associate Membership doesn't include access to Eurovision unless the EBU give approval. You can come to the party Australia, you're fun, but Chile? Go home, stupid.

Is what it amounts to really, isn't it?
Pretty much! It could cause a lot of controversies in the future. It also suggests that the bigger an event becomes, the more corrupt and arrogant its organisers get. Sad really. The Eurovision Song Contest is one of my favourite events of the year. I'd hate to see it get so enveloped in its own self importance.
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Old 19-05-2016, 11:38
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It also suggests that the bigger an event becomes, the more corrupt and arrogant its organisers get.
Do you not watch the Olympics and the World Cup?
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Old 19-05-2016, 11:42
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It should also be noted that it isn't as easy for ITV to just take control of the contest as many posters suggest. It appears that ITV are now only EBU members as part of a collective membership under the name of United Kingdom Independent Broadcasting, and membership is shared with Channel 4 and S4C. How would that work if the BBC decided not to show the contest? It also explains why the BBC is the broadcaster that the EBU officially invites to take part and not the UKIB.
I'm pretty sure itv can they used to host jesc I thought ukib was talking about independent broadcasters bbc is a state run broadcaster. Other channels have independent broadcasters who do eurovision. The ebu is the organisation used by the channels for broadcasting that's why the bbc not doing revision would not save them any money as they use the ebu eurovision just comes in the package. Even the ex head of the ebu said itv can broadcast it as they are ebu members and that bbc should hand it over but they won't because they are selfish and only broadcast eurovision as cheap TV for 3 hours plus the only reason they are in the big5 is because their channel is so big and the bigger the channel the more money given to the ebu.
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