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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euro...g_Contest_2016
The scorecard has been completed on wiki now. Can see where the televotes went! |
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Ok voting closed in DSFE just in case anyone was wondering!
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All this Russian nonsense reminds me of how they tried to get the Olsen Brothers disqualified after they won and Russia came second because they used that voice distortion during the performance which they claimed broke the rules about pre-recorded vocals even though they were clearly singing live. Pathetic really, no one was demanding Believe be disqualified for being shite.
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I've seen people (not here but in other places) say that it's Australia's fault that Macedonia didn't qualify. So I thought it'd be interesting to work out how the second semi would work out if there was no Australia - and there were some interesting results!
1st: Ukraine - 310 points (+1) 2nd: Belgium - 277 points (+1) 3rd: Lithuania - 235 points (+1) 4th: Bulgaria - 230 points (+1) 5th: Poland - 172 points (+1) 6th: Latvia - 160 points (+2) 7th: Israel - 159 points (-) 8th: Georgia - 146 points (+1) 9th: Serbia - 115 points (+1) 10th: Belarus - 97 points (+2) 11th: Macedonia - 87 points (-) 12th: Norway - 73 points (+1) 13th: Slovenia - 62 points (+1) 14th: Ireland - 53 points (+1) 15th: Switzerland - 51 points (+3) 16th: Albania - 48 points (-) 17th: Denmark - 45 points (-) So, still no Kaliopi in the final, instead Belarus take Australia's spot. Latvia and Switzerland both got a lot of 11th places, the latter so much that they nearly doubled their points! Macedonia are the only country to lose points, and Latvia, Ukraine, Switzerland and Georgia have the biggest increase. |
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I could be wrong because Facebook translate isn't always accurate but I THINK Maria Haukaas Storeng (now Mittet) recently gave birth to her second baby boy. <3
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All this Russian nonsense reminds me of how they tried to get the Olsen Brothers disqualified after they won and Russia came second because they used that voice distortion during the performance which they claimed broke the rules about pre-recorded vocals even though they were clearly singing live. Pathetic really, no one was demanding Believe be disqualified for being shite.
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Wow! Jamala has confirmed that is her performing! She says it was in a rehearsal and the lyrics were different.
https://eurovisionireland.net/2016/0...ne-eurovision/ However, there is definitely a sizable audience based on the levels of applauds. Although, the video could have perhaps been edited. |
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Well, obviously. We didn't need her confirmation unless she has an identical twin?
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Wow! Jamala has confirmed that is her performing! She says it was in a rehearsal and the lyrics were different.
https://eurovisionireland.net/2016/0...ne-eurovision/ However, there is definitely a sizable audience based on the levels of applauds. Although, the video could have perhaps been edited.
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I still can't believe how badly Serbia did with the juries.....it was certainly worthy of more than a paltry 35 points
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In my defense, the article speculated that a Russian made the video and dubbed over it. They suggested it was possible that you couldn't tell if the performer was Jamala or some other woman with the audio dubbed over.
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This whole trying to discredit Ukraine thing has really soured the contest for me. I'm totally fed up of it.
I don't like the song, but it won, like many songs before it which I also often didn't like. Big deal, shit happens, there's always next year. Get over it, discreditors! Obviously I'm talking directly to the crazed Russian fans and not you guys
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This whole trying to discredit Ukraine thing has really soured the contest for me. I'm totally fed up of it.
I don't like the song, but it won, like many songs before it which I also often didn't like. Big deal, shit happens, there's always next year. Get over it, discreditors! Obviously I'm talking directly to the crazed Russian fans and not you guys ![]() |
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Thing is, the EBU had ruled on this before the contest, I remember it. But they've put out another statement, just to draw a line under it
https://www.facebook.com/EBU.HQ/ |
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Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
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Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
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Thing is, the EBU had ruled on this before the contest, I remember it. But they've put out another statement, just to draw a line under it
https://www.facebook.com/EBU.HQ/
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They're just not going to let it go are they? Can't help feel it's a distraction technique against THEIR OWN socio-politics going down at the mo.
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The EBU like breaking their own rules. It seems rules and conditions are only relevant to countries the EBU feel they can dictate to. For instance, despite some mumblings from some areas about Australia being allowed to enter, the EBU allowed them to do so - despite not actually being eligible to enter. Australia are Associate Members and as such do not have access to Eurovision events. But, it seems, the EBU have bent the rules, or ignored them, to allow Australia to enter. Here's a snippet from Wikipedia that confirms this:
Associate members Countries with Associate EBU Membership. Any group or organisation member of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU), which provide a radio or television service outside of the European Broadcasting Area, are permitted to submit applications to the EBU for Associate Membership. Countries which have this status also pay an annual fee to maintain this status. It was also noted by the EBU that any country that is granted Associate Member status does not include any access into the Eurovision system. The list of Associate Members of EBU, comprised the following 39 broadcasting companies from 23 countries as of January 2016. Now, what happens if countries like Bangladesh or Brazil say they want to enter but the EBU say they can't? On what grounds, considering Australia's entry, can these countries be denied? Here is the whole wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europe..._Union#Members It should also be noted that it isn't as easy for ITV to just take control of the contest as many posters suggest. It appears that ITV are now only EBU members as part of a collective membership under the name of United Kingdom Independent Broadcasting, and membership is shared with Channel 4 and S4C. How would that work if the BBC decided not to show the contest? It also explains why the BBC is the broadcaster that the EBU officially invites to take part and not the UKIB. |
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Until this video emerged I would have totally agreed with you. Is the song "too political?" Debatable. Was the result fair? Yes, everyone knew the rules in advance. But the fact that this song was publicly performed over a year ago in almost the same form is quite obviously a breach of the rules.
Personally, I'm not pleased with the winner being in breach of these rules. I know who my personal winner is, but as far as the voting went Jamala was a fair winner. All most people are asking is for the EBU to hold their hands up and say "ok, we messed up, this won't happen again". That's all. They've set a precedent for allowing rule breakers now (and the whole Australia-in-Eurovision debacle hasn't helped), and unless the EBU just admits that they made a mistake, lines and going to get blurred and even more controversy will arise in the future. Trying to write off these complaints as "oooh it's just evil Russia again" only serves to minimise the problems that this contest has brought about. Which is a shame, because it was a brilliant contest all round.
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It was also noted by the EBU that any country that is granted Associate Member status does not include any access into the Eurovision system
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So basically, part of the Associate Membership doesn't include access to Eurovision unless the EBU give approval. You can come to the party Australia, you're fun, but Chile? Go home, stupid.
![]() Is what it amounts to really, isn't it? |
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It also suggests that the bigger an event becomes, the more corrupt and arrogant its organisers get.
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It should also be noted that it isn't as easy for ITV to just take control of the contest as many posters suggest. It appears that ITV are now only EBU members as part of a collective membership under the name of United Kingdom Independent Broadcasting, and membership is shared with Channel 4 and S4C. How would that work if the BBC decided not to show the contest? It also explains why the BBC is the broadcaster that the EBU officially invites to take part and not the UKIB.
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