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Old 21-05-2016, 22:47
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I think they could compromise with the voting. Have the 2013-15 system in the semi (then only good songs with diaspora can make it) then have the new voting in the final. It has faults, but it was gripping.
You could have the final gripping with the accumulated jury votes second. But they want to give the illusion that the public is given more importance by putting that second, which is bullshit really. I'm not sure they even fool everyone with that anyway.
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Old 21-05-2016, 22:59
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Why have I only just discovered this? This guy is so much better than Josh Dubovie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10yMxCTHLPk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWXGXb3ZG1o

It's still horrific, and Esma would've been a better choice had she not 'accidently' messed it up.

But Josh, just no.
I remember rooting hard for Josh as he was the only one who had a semblance of a voice live- It was a horrific selection though, what in earth were Aunty thinking! :O
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Old 21-05-2016, 23:14
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You could have the final gripping with the accumulated jury votes second. But they want to give the illusion that the public is given more importance by putting that second, which is bullshit really. I'm not sure they even fool everyone with that anyway.
Actually I think They where trying to bury the Diaspora votes by announcing the televote in bulk.
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Old 22-05-2016, 07:23
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You could have the final gripping with the accumulated jury votes second. But they want to give the illusion that the public is given more importance by putting that second, which is bullshit really. I'm not sure they even fool everyone with that anyway.
This would be awful. You'd guess every 12 points. All those Serbian 12 points from its neighbours. Lithuania is always our 12 etc. Jury vote only is less predictable.
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Old 22-05-2016, 08:13
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This would be awful. You'd guess every 12 points.
That's just rubbish. It's not just about the 12 points anyway. People should know what happened or didn't happen with their vote.
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Old 22-05-2016, 08:19
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That's just rubbish. It's not just about the 12 points anyway. People should know what happened or didn't happen with their vote.
When only the 12s are being read, it makes it quite important. I think the televote by scorecard should be released immediately after though. It's still not on wiki for the semis etc.
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Old 22-05-2016, 09:22
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When only the 12s are being read, it makes it quite important. I think the televote by scorecard should be released immediately after though. It's still not on wiki for the semis etc.
I don't see the point of just reading the twelves either. The whole build up as the points given go higher is part of the tension.
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Old 22-05-2016, 11:21
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Personally, I couldn't give one hoot if Serbia decided to give three points to Denmark or whatever, I'd much rather read them on screen. They should keep them on for a few more seconds though. It's a lot to take in.

And also, the whole 'announce the twelves of the public' thing? Justs no. As Damien said, it would just ruin it completely as it would make diaspora a lot more obvious than it already is. Not what the contest needs. Maybe if people would vote for their favourite song rather than their place of birth, it would be possible?
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Old 22-05-2016, 11:25
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A bit of a random question, but does anyone think that any of the big 6 would have qualified if they participated in the semis?
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Old 22-05-2016, 11:27
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A bit of a random question, but does anyone think that any of the big 6 would have qualified if they participated in the semis?
France, Sweden and Italy yes. U.K. And Spain maybe, depending on draw. Germany no.
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Old 22-05-2016, 11:27
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I think Sweden, France and Italy would have got through. Spain is possible as well as they did okay with the juries and were midtable in most countries televotes.

UK and Germany would have been out I should think.
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Old 22-05-2016, 11:28
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Personally, I couldn't give one hoot if Serbia decided to give three points to Denmark or whatever, I'd much rather read them on screen. They should keep them on for a few more seconds though. It's a lot to take in.

And also, the whole 'announce the twelves of the public' thing? Justs no. As Damien said, it would just ruin it completely as it would make diaspora a lot more obvious than it already is. Not what the contest needs. Maybe if people would vote for their favourite song rather than their place of birth, it would be possible?
It was so annoying this year trying to work out positions during the jury voting, there was nowhere near enough time to take it all in, I think if they cut one of the interval acts, *cough*Timberlake*cough* then they could have had the spokespeople read the 8 and 10's as well and give us time
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Old 22-05-2016, 11:49
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That's just rubbish. It's not just about the 12 points anyway. People should know what happened or didn't happen with their vote.
ca. 2008 when it was televoting only lots of people got very good at predicting the televote 12s and often the 10s and 8s...it was all very predictable for many many countries.
Also people can see what happened to their vote. Each country puts on screen the results of the their televote (top 10 countries at least)
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Old 22-05-2016, 13:07
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I remember rooting hard for Josh as he was the only one who had a semblance of a voice live- It was a horrific selection though, what in earth were Aunty thinking! :O
BBC board room meeting circa February 2010.

Person A - "what's our budget for Eurovision"
Person B - "erm...well, eer y'see"
Person A "TELL ME!!! "
Person B - "£25"
**knock on the door**
Pete Waterman "did someone say £25?"
Person B - "yes I did"
Pete Waterman **shrugs** "i could do with that money, i've not had a hit since Steps split up"
**cue random rant about how no radio station will play any of his songs**
Person A - "you could write an amazing pop song for us?"
Pete Waterman "i've got an old Big Fun reject from 1989"
Person B - "ok, we'll accept your offer"
Pete Waterman "great, i can use that £25 to buy a new train set"

The rest is history. Literally, the rest!!!
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Old 22-05-2016, 13:19
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I pretty much met all your wiwi crew at various times in Euroclub last week except for yourself
Oh really?
I was there all the time :O
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Old 22-05-2016, 14:38
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Maybe if people would vote for their favourite song rather than their place of birth, it would be possible?
I'm sure most people do anyway. If they don't want people voting they can just make it a jury vote, but they want their money. So if you want someone's money you have to treat them like they are important and not cheats like some people seem to do.

Also the semis are still split to divide neighbours too? That should in itself help, even though I think the problem does get hyped. If there is much of an influence then maybe the other people in these places could be assed to vote? Maybe they don't allow 20 votes or whatever it is from one line. And having those who are out of the final vote in the final isn't that necessary, at least the points given from those who are competing that night should be shown properly. It's the greed of the organisers that causes the problems, allowing so many places to vote in the final and allowing people to vote too many times on one line.
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:30
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Unsurprisingly Nina won Barbara Dex 2016. As for the future of the award itself, songfestival.be is going to take it over from 2017 onwards.

https://songfestival.be/en/barbara-d...ex-award-over/
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Old 22-05-2016, 15:33
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Hi everyone. Just a bit of promo here but I am needing a couple more voters in my 2015 revote game. So if you have not voted yet it would be great if you could do so .
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:36
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Eurovision is coming up on Points of View in 5 minutes on BBC1. Be interesting what they say.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:40
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Eurovision on points of view!
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:47
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Points of view -
Complaints about the Iplayer version cutting off early

Complaints about the bbcs strategy of songs selection

Suggestions that we stop paying for it.

No reply from bbc
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:48
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First complaints on Points of Views was about the end of the contest programme missing on the iplayer.
Someone complaining about the UK song. Someone wanting a six week selection. One about withdrawal. A bit censored as the most common view of the contest is the diaspora/political voting which was not mentioned. The lack of reply towards both the selection and withdrawal requests is telling towards the BBC intentions.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:56
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Unsurprisingly Nina won Barbara Dex 2016. As for the future of the award itself, songfestival.be is going to take it over from 2017 onwards.

https://songfestival.be/en/barbara-d...ex-award-over/
It had to have been a close thing between Nina and Jamie-Lee (my choice) surely. Once they got Nina out from the oversized packaging I thought her (lighthouse) dress was quite elegant.
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Old 22-05-2016, 16:59
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Hi everyone. Just a bit of promo here but I am needing a couple more voters in my 2015 revote game. So if you have not voted yet it would be great if you could do so .
I just did
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Old 22-05-2016, 18:36
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It had to have been a close thing between Nina and Jamie-Lee (my choice) surely. Once they got Nina out from the oversized packaging I thought her (lighthouse) dress was quite elegant.
I voted for Jamie-Lee as well. And I agree about Nina.
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