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Old 04-11-2016, 03:49
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Is Teeth related to the Kennedys or is she just another randomer who lives with Karl and Susan?
She's Susan's niece
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Old 04-11-2016, 08:41
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I'm going to be a bit thick here but the photo Simone was holding of her and Jack looked like it was really them when they were younger. I was wondering if it was just good photo editing to put them together in the same photo or if they really are friends off screen aswell. I thought she was going to show a photo of them when they were children which obviously could have been anyone that looks like them but this was a photo of them more adult
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Old 04-11-2016, 09:18
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I'm going to be a bit thick here but the photo Simone was holding of her and Jack looked like it was really them when they were younger. I was wondering if it was just good photo editing to put them together in the same photo or if they really are friends off screen aswell. I thought she was going to show a photo of them when they were children which obviously could have been anyone that looks like them but this was a photo of them more adult
I thought that too! It was very realistic.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:55
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Father Jack, I too have a confession to make. You are even more boring and judgemental than bloody Mark Brennan and every time you even just appear in a scene, nevermind speak, I find myself breaking out in hives! Please go away.
Agreed and I liked the actor in Home and Away but not in this. Long-drawn out storyline which is not being played well.
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Old 04-11-2016, 13:07
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Wasn't Simone said to be Jack's best friend when she first turned up? Just struck me as odd that he called her "a girl from my past" in Confession. Was it explained why this best friend didn't come looking for him when he was in a coma?
She was away travelling, they said in her first episode.

They were friends who fell in love and had a swxual relationship so the description of a girl from his past is wuite accurate.

It seems clear to me that she has been abused by a Priest. Her reaction to the dog collar as she woke from her nightmare, her history as a 'troubled' and therefoe vulnerable youngster who was maybe also on Care?

If so, whilst of course it happens and there have been some very famous cases so Neighbours have every right to highlight the issue, I can't help feeling that the depiction of the Catholic church has had a negative slant all the wsy thrpugh this Jack storyline with very few, if any positives presented and it should really be more balanced.

Lets look at how confession and celibacy have been.presented. as a joke reall, an archaic, stupid ritual that hurts peoplw and protects criminals with just one lone voice, Amy, presenting the other side and even she seemwd to say that Mark was right in the end to bug it after he saved Steph. Ari, a believer wS also a homicidal nutcase. Reciting the bible as he attacked. The only person tp tell Paige seriously to back off chasing Jack duree to morality rather only being worried she'd be hurt was the older Priest who came across as very old testament and threatening. No representation of more progressive church goers who accept homosexuality, surrogacy etc, just a general condemnation from all re the bigotry of the Church. Jack appears to show no real regret or remorse at breaking his vows and ckearly doesn't feel he should give up the Priesthood having slept with Paige so even the nice 'trendy' one is at best, a hypocrite.

It all seems rather one sided to me. Yes, portray the flawsbut not just them.
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Old 04-11-2016, 13:33
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The other thing that annoyed me was Jack's attitude to surrogacy. "if it doesn't happen naturally it's not meant to be" mentality. Most Catholics, especially young ones, would not have a problem with this. it may be the Church's teaching but as with so many other doctrines, most (I am speaking as a mostly non-practising Catholic myself) just turn a blind eye. A young man like him should have no problem with it, priest or no priest.

He is a complete and utter hypocrite.
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Old 04-11-2016, 14:52
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I'm going to be a bit thick here but the photo Simone was holding of her and Jack looked like it was really them when they were younger. I was wondering if it was just good photo editing to put them together in the same photo or if they really are friends off screen aswell. I thought she was going to show a photo of them when they were children which obviously could have been anyone that looks like them but this was a photo of them more adult
I thought the same! They lingered on the photo quite a bit and there seemed to be no obvious photoshopping like their usually is with these kinds of photos in soaps! I wonder if they actually knew/know each other in real life.
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Old 04-11-2016, 15:13
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Okay, I'm confused (when aren't I ).

Fertility issues aside, I thought Steph wasn't going to risk pregnancy because of her chance of breast cancer reoccurring? Is that correct? Because surely these hefty doses of hormone must have some bearing on that?

Sorry for the dumb.
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Old 04-11-2016, 15:33
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Okay, I'm confused (when aren't I ).

Fertility issues aside, I thought Steph wasn't going to risk pregnancy because of her chance of breast cancer reoccurring? Is that correct? Because surely these hefty doses of hormone must have some bearing on that?

Sorry for the dumb.
It was her mental health issues which worried her re anither oregnancy. Whether her neds would harm the baby, whether she would relapse if she stopped taking them, that she is at increased risk of PND.

She was worried about the hormones but agreed because it would only be a few weeks rather than months.
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Old 04-11-2016, 15:39
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The other thing that annoyed me was Jack's attitude to surrogacy. "if it doesn't happen naturally it's not meant to be" mentality. Most Catholics, especially young ones, would not have a problem with this. it may be the Church's teaching but as with so many other doctrines, most (I am speaking as a mostly non-practising Catholic myself) just turn a blind eye. A young man like him should have no problem with it, priest or no priest.

He is a complete and utter hypocrite.
Yes, thats what I mean about it being a very negative slant on Catholicism. Most Catholics, even official.ones like Priests are more tolerant. Progressive and inclusive now, either actively supportive or, as you say, turning a blind eye. Even somebody like Jack is being presented as all hell and brimstone about it. I wonder if cintraception will come up at all do ww can have how out of date the attitude to that is as well? Even if pregnancy would be dangerous for a woman?
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Old 04-11-2016, 16:14
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I should have been clearer: I don't think Neighbours is telling stories about the Catholic faith, but about the Church as an organisation and how it is at odds with general society. The only positive aspect of the Christian faith they have portrayed is Amy finding her faith. Everything else has been challenging the churches ideas and beliefs: celibacy, confession, molestation, surrogacy, LGBT issues, etc.

They have hinted that Simone may have been abused by a priest by how she reacted to seeing Jack's collar when she woke from her nightmare. They purposely highlighted that for a reason. It is a huge topical issue in Australia right now. I never said that all priests are molesters, or even mentioned it, so I don't know why you are accusing me of saying anything like that - I'm going by on what we are seeing.

It makes sense that Simone would be after Jack, as she doesn't see him as a priest, but as her childhood love who she wants back; she doesn't respect his decision to be a priest and has never really accepted him as one, so it makes sense that psychologically she would disassociate the two in her mind. Or perhaps it's all a lie and she's playing the damsel in distress? She did say that Jack can't resist a woman is need.

Australia is a Catholic country and quite conservative in many respects, so if Neighbours wants to highlight all the negative aspects that dictate cultural norms, then they have the right to. Sure, it is all a bit negative, but the church does have a lot of negative qualities.

It also has a lot of positive qualities and, sorry , but I don;t think Neighbours has the 'right' to use this as a plot line. As I said before, they would not write a story highlighting negative aspects of Islam - that would not be PC! The Church is not necessarily at odds with the rest of society - quite a lot of people, non-Catholics included, have views on these things and I don't think a soap should be presenting couch a negative view of what is the world's largest Christian organisation. It is not their place, and it is not their right. I have noticed that a lot of people who pride themselves on being non-racist etc are actually anti-Catholic which in my view is the same as being anti-Muslim or ant-gay, and equally bigoted. Not accuse g you of anything, but the Church is not 'in a mess' and I am finding the negative view of Catholicism being presented quite offensive.
She was away travelling, they said in her first episode.

They were friends who fell in love and had a swxual relationship so the description of a girl from his past is wuite accurate.

It seems clear to me that she has been abused by a Priest. Her reaction to the dog collar as she woke from her nightmare, her history as a 'troubled' and therefoe vulnerable youngster who was maybe also on Care?

If so, whilst of course it happens and there have been some very famous cases so Neighbours have every right to highlight the issue, I can't help feeling that the depiction of the Catholic church has had a negative slant all the wsy thrpugh this Jack storyline with very few, if any positives presented and it should really be more balanced.

Lets look at how confession and celibacy have been.presented. as a joke reall, an archaic, stupid ritual that hurts peoplw and protects criminals with just one lone voice, Amy, presenting the other side and even she seemwd to say that Mark was right in the end to bug it after he saved Steph. Ari, a believer wS also a homicidal nutcase. Reciting the bible as he attacked. The only person tp tell Paige seriously to back off chasing Jack duree to morality rather only being worried she'd be hurt was the older Priest who came across as very old testament and threatening. No representation of more progressive church goers who accept homosexuality, surrogacy etc, just a general condemnation from all re the bigotry of the Church. Jack appears to show no real regret or remorse at breaking his vows and ckearly doesn't feel he should give up the Priesthood having slept with Paige so even the nice 'trendy' one is at best, a hypocrite.

It all seems rather one sided to me. Yes, portray the flawsbut not just them.
Your auto=correct is still playing up, Kitkat! I agree with what you said. Agree that this negative portrayal of the church is unwarranted. I don't think Neighbours has a 'right ' to do this as it opens the door to prejudice and Neighbours tries so hard to be right-on.
Abuse by priests has happened - and by CofE vicars and various MPs and public figures, but I don't think this is an area where Neighbours should go. How do we know this happened anyway? Are they going to make it a main storyline? God forbid!

I think one of the Neighbours scriptwriters is biased against the Catholic faith and should not be writing this stuff, Neighbours is a soap, it's not there to criticise anyone's faith even if that faith puts them at odds with what some other people think.

Jack chose the church and they should have left it there - it was a good plot device up to then. Now, it's gone on for far too long and is heading into murky waters that no soap should go to.
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Old 04-11-2016, 16:17
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It was a tongue in cheek comment!



It was a nice touch, and would have been done for the British fans. Plus he was completely right about Marmite being better than Vegemite!.
Quite so!!!!!
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Old 04-11-2016, 16:25
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Is Teeth related to the Kennedys or is she just another randomer who lives with Karl and Susan?
For once its not actually a complete randomer lodging with Karl and Susan, Elly is related to the Kennedy's as she's Susan's niece. She appeared on the show back in 2001 when she was a teenager played by a different actress. Her mother (Susan's sister) dumped her with the Kennedy's whilst she went abroad for a while. So Elly is not actually a new character or a typical never-before-mentioned relative who has randomly appeared.
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Old 04-11-2016, 16:25
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It was her mental health issues which worried her re anither oregnancy. Whether her neds would harm the baby, whether she would relapse if she stopped taking them, that she is at increased risk of PND.

She was worried about the hormones but agreed because it would only be a few weeks rather than months.
Thanks so much, I must have zoned out when they were discussing that
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Old 04-11-2016, 17:50
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Laurens Broken Ankle recovery is a joke. Magically it has completely repaired itself in just 3 weeks!
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Old 04-11-2016, 19:40
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Laurens Broken Ankle recovery is a joke. Magically it has completely repaired itself in just 3 weeks!
Come on, she was limping tonight!
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Old 04-11-2016, 20:02
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For once its not actually a complete randomer lodging with Karl and Susan, Elly is related to the Kennedy's as she's Susan's niece. She appeared on the show back in 2001 when she was a teenager played by a different actress. Her mother (Susan's sister) dumped her with the Kennedy's whilst she went abroad for a while. So Elly is not actually a new character or a typical never-before-mentioned relative who has randomly appeared.
Nice to know she didn't just turn up out of nowhere... But be even nicer if they replaced her with Libby.

Seems like every episode Teeth is either throwing herself at a guy or telling one she's not interested in them. It's like the writers think they're writing for a teenager character. I vaguely remember Susan's sister and her being irritatingly over the top.
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Old 04-11-2016, 20:14
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Far too many bland young characters in the programme who are not convincing. I believed Lucas was a mechanic and a gambler. I don't believe Smyler is a mechanic or psychologically suffering from a difficult upbringing. I believed Vanessa could cook. I don't believe the tomato twins are a businessman and doctor. I believe Karl is a doctor and Susan a principal. I don't believe Teeth is a teacher. I believed Jade had been beaten by Troy. I don't believe anything I'm told about Simone. I believe Toadie is a lawyer. I don't believe Paige goes to Uni or is not a narcissist.

Etc etc!!!
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Old 04-11-2016, 20:15
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Why can't neighbours be like this anymore? 😡

https://youtu.be/uylOv_ATgDQ
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Old 04-11-2016, 20:43
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Far too many bland young characters in the programme who are not convincing. I believed Lucas was a mechanic and a gambler. I don't believe Smyler is a mechanic or psychologically suffering from a difficult upbringing. I believed Vanessa could cook. I don't believe the tomato twins are a businessman and doctor. I believe Karl is a doctor and Susan a principal. I don't believe Teeth is a teacher. I believed Jade had been beaten by Troy. I don't believe anything I'm told about Simone. I believe Toadie is a lawyer. I don't believe Paige goes to Uni or is not a narcissist.

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well said!
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Old 04-11-2016, 20:52
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Nice to know she didn't just turn up out of nowhere... But be even nicer if they replaced her with Libby.

Seems like every episode Teeth is either throwing herself at a guy or telling one she's not interested in them. It's like the writers think they're writing for a teenager character. I vaguely remember Susan's sister and her being irritatingly over the top.
Both of Susan's sisters are fairly ott, Carmel appeared a few years ago and tried it on with Karl. But she is Darcy's mother and Elly's Aunt. Liz is Elly's mother and hasnt been on for well over 10 years. But she will probably make a reappearance at some point.
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Old 04-11-2016, 21:49
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Why can't neighbours be like this anymore? 😡

https://youtu.be/uylOv_ATgDQ
Ah yes. The story lines were all so much more credible in those days!
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Old 04-11-2016, 21:53
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Okay, I'm confused (when aren't I ).

Fertility issues aside, I thought Steph wasn't going to risk pregnancy because of her chance of breast cancer reoccurring? Is that correct? Because surely these hefty doses of hormone must have some bearing on that?

Sorry for the dumb.
One of her main worries was she would get PND again.
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Old 05-11-2016, 00:49
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The "Saint Steph" business is getting really out of hand. Always playing the bloody martyr.

And call me old-fashioned but this fuss about Brad's THIRD wedding is really OTT and crass. If the man had any dignity and self-awareness, he'd be doing it quietly in a registry office. The fact that Piper is so up for it is disturbing me as well, considering Brad and Lauren were running around behind Terese's back.
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Old 05-11-2016, 01:16
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Both of Susan's sisters are fairly ott, Carmel appeared a few years ago and tried it on with Karl. But she is Darcy's mother and Elly's Aunt. Liz is Elly's mother and hasnt been on for well over 10 years. But she will probably make a reappearance at some point.
Ah yes Darcy Tyler, a classic old neighbours bad guy! Didn't he woo Dee who's now coming back to the show? Nowadays there's no pure villains. The characters of Paul, Terese, Paige etc are a mess.
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