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I must be in the minority here over the music video, I thought it was good fun and classic neighbours......so what if it was cheesy and cringe, that's the whole point!!
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Agreed. Having a third child will not repair the damage done between Steph and her two sons. She needs to address that or at least come to terms with it before embarking on this surrogacy, I am wondering how attached she will feel to the baby anyway knowing that it is Mark and Sonya's biological child.
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Seems I'm in the minority but I still love sonia!!
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Seems I'm in the minority but I still love sonia!!
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I haven't seen today's episode but the whole surrogacy storyline is infuriating me in every aspect. The speed at which the surrogacy counselling/acceptance and the actual medical process of IVF took place is laughable. And now Sonya's offering her eggs? I presume they'll do it without IVF now, they can just do a DIY turkey baster job now. At least that'll save them all some money. Then, legally it will not be Steph's baby at all. It will be Mark's and they'd raise it as theirs but Steph wouldn't actually be the legal parent unless they did some adoption route.
Not that it will get that far - if Sonya gets pregnant, I agree with the posts above that it will drive a wedge between Sonya and Toadie and is likely to form part of the Dee return storyline that has been speculated about. The video thing was so cringy I had to hide behind my hand for most of it. I peeked out and saw Therese doing some dodgy dancing and every bit of me curled in embarrassment. It wasn't cringy in a fun way it was just embarrassing. I can't take Angus' earnest singing faces seriously either. |
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I feel so sorry for Toadie right now. I think this is all in character with Sonya and her history. When she got overtly involved with Patricia Pappas and her gambling, then grieving Mark, she ignored Toadie and he felt sidelined; this surrogacy plan was always going to progress in the same manner due to Sonya's psychological need to help and control and Toadie was always going to be pushed out at some point. It's sad, because Sonya manages to be both selfless and selfish at the same time. What I like about their scenes is that they never forget the skills they learnt from couples counselling. Toadie has no role in any of this, because if he objects, Sonya will guilt trip him in to caving. And I agree that Steph is doing this for Mark and his need to have a child. I did like the Mark/Sonya scene where she was explaining what it felt like being pregnant and they were joking about him giving a sperm sample.
I think Gary and Terese have ended realistically. It was sad when he rejected her just as she had gotten over her embarrassment. As much as I dislike Elly, her and Leo are a good match friendship wise. Loved the Lou and Kathy miss communication. I liked that Paige helped them sort things out to a degree. Lou always brings the comedy. Meanwhile, is it too obvious to suggest that Simone graffitied Blaze? |
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I feel so sorry for Toadie right now. I think this is all in character with Sonya and her history. When she got overtly involved with Patricia Pappas and her gambling, then grieving Mark, she ignored Toadie and he felt sidelined; this surrogacy plan was always going to progress in the same manner due to Sonya's psychological need to help and control and Toadie was always going to be pushed out at some point. It's sad, because Sonya manages to be both selfless and selfish at the same time. What I like about their scenes is that they never forget the skills they learnt from couples counselling. Toadie has no role in any of this, because if he objects, Sonya will guilt trip him in to caving. And I agree that Steph is doing this for Mark and his need to have a child. I did like the Mark/Sonya scene where she was explaining what it felt like being pregnant and they were joking about him giving a sperm sample.
I think Gary and Terese have ended realistically. It was sad when he rejected her just as she had gotten over her embarrassment. As much as I dislike Elly, her and Leo are a good match friendship wise. Loved the Lou and Kathy miss communication. I liked that Paige helped them sort things out to a degree. Lou always brings the comedy. Meanwhile, is it too obvious to suggest that Simone graffitied Blaze? |
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Poor Toadie seems to have been completely emasculated at the moment. I thought they were going to counselling and "talking things through". I suppose some of this might have been done off-screen but it doesn't look as though poor Toadie has had any input at all.
Do you suppose the scriptwriters are expecting us to be rooting for this? I think the world's gone mad. Quote:
I think Toadie will be torn between Dee (depending on why she hasn't come back sooner) and his controlling shrew of a wife who's bulldozing ahead with the surrogacy without giving two hoots for his feelings. I can't see Mark and Sonya together. Sadly I fear Elly will try and get her teeth into him and he's too gormless to notice her trying to seduce him. I think Steph is being carried along with this because she is trying to make Mark happy and knows he wants his own child. As she's not allowed to see Charlie and knows that Adam doesn't need her she's not in any sort of mental state to chose to go down this route.
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Agreed. Having a third child will not repair the damage done between Steph and her two sons. She needs to address that or at least come to terms with it before embarking on this surrogacy, I am wondering how attached she will feel to the baby anyway knowing that it is Mark and Sonya's biological child.
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I feel so sorry for Toadie right now. I think this is all in character with Sonya and her history. When she got overtly involved with Patricia Pappas and her gambling, then grieving Mark, she ignored Toadie and he felt sidelined; this surrogacy plan was always going to progress in the same manner due to Sonya's psychological need to help and control and Toadie was always going to be pushed out at some point. It's sad, because Sonya manages to be both selfless and selfish at the same time. What I like about their scenes is that they never forget the skills they learnt from couples counselling. Toadie has no role in any of this, because if he objects, Sonya will guilt trip him in to caving. And I agree that Steph is doing this for Mark and his need to have a child. I did like the Mark/Sonya scene where she was explaining what it felt like being pregnant and they were joking about him giving a sperm sample.
I think Gary and Terese have ended realistically. It was sad when he rejected her just as she had gotten over her embarrassment. As much as I dislike Elly, her and Leo are a good match friendship wise. Loved the Lou and Kathy miss communication. I liked that Paige helped them sort things out to a degree. Lou always brings the comedy. Meanwhile, is it too obvious to suggest that Simone graffitied Blaze? I have to say I was disappointed in the scriptwriters having that random kid cycle up just to make a remark about Catholic priests. Someone posted something similar on this thread a while a go and was asked by another poster to remove it as it was deemed offensive. Sorry, but I think this was uncalled for, The Catholic Church has had some problems in recent times but Neighbours is not the place to air them - it's a soap, not a documentary and has no 'right' to have a character make such offensive remarks. |
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Yesterday's episode:
Leo wasn't very quick at photographing the documents and whatnot. I suppose it adds to the drama though of thinking that Terese will walk in on him as he's doing it. I think he'll play both Paul and Terese off against each other while convincing them that he's double crossing the other. I see Mark's trying to speak for Steph again by refusing to even have a stranger's eggs in Sonya. I wish Steph would open her mouth when he does this. Looks like Gary's ex-wife might be staying in Ramsay Street then. |
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Yesterday's episode:
Leo wasn't very quick at photographing the documents and whatnot. I suppose it adds to the drama though of thinking that Terese will walk in on him as he's doing it. I think he'll play both Paul and Terese off against each other while convincing them that he's double crossing the other. I see Mark's trying to speak for Steph again by refusing to even have a stranger's eggs in Sonya. I wish Steph would open her mouth when he does this. Looks like Gary's ex-wife might be staying in Ramsay Street then. |
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Why on earth does everybody wasn't the Men's Shed all of a sudden? Paul obviously only wants it because Tim Collins does - ever think this may be one of the reasons your business schemes fail Paul, because you make all your decisions in a spirit of revenge and one-upmanship?
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I think Sonya has issues when it comes to this baby business. I don't trust her to not become attached to the baby. She's too desperate to want to help Mark and Steph to have a baby. I'm glad that Steph rejected the idea. I really don't trust Sonya to easily give the baby to Mark and Steph. The fact that Sonya even said that she would just have to try and get in the mindset of thinking that it's Mark and Steph's says everything. I don't think Sonya's finished with wanting more children. Sonya seems too eager to want the joy of helping her friends have something that they desperately want. Sonya's not the right woman to be a surrogate for someone. Sonya's getting too involved in the decision. I think it could have been Simone who sprayed that on Blaze's door, or is that what the writers want us to think?
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If Sonya donated the egg and then carried the baby, she'd never leave Dan and Steph alone.
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I think Toadie will be torn between Dee (depending on why she hasn't come back sooner) and his controlling shrew of a wife who's bulldozing ahead with the surrogacy without giving two hoots for his feelings. I can't see Mark and Sonya together. Sadly I fear Elly will try and get her teeth into him and he's too gormless to notice her trying to seduce him. I think Steph is being carried along with this because she is trying to make Mark happy and knows he wants his own child. As she's not allowed to see Charlie and knows that Adam doesn't need her she's not in any sort of mental state to chose to go down this route.
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I haven't seen today's episode but the whole surrogacy storyline is infuriating me in every aspect. The speed at which the surrogacy counselling/acceptance and the actual medical process of IVF took place is laughable. And now Sonya's offering her eggs? I presume they'll do it without IVF now, they can just do a DIY turkey baster job now. At least that'll save them all some money. Then, legally it will not be Steph's baby at all. It will be Mark's and they'd raise it as theirs but Steph wouldn't actually be the legal parent unless they did some adoption route.
Not that it will get that far - if Sonya gets pregnant, I agree with the posts above that it will drive a wedge between Sonya and Toadie and is likely to form part of the Dee return storyline that has been speculated about. The video thing was so cringy I had to hide behind my hand for most of it. I peeked out and saw Therese doing some dodgy dancing and every bit of me curled in embarrassment. It wasn't cringy in a fun way it was just embarrassing. I can't take Angus' earnest singing faces seriously either. His singing face is like he's on the vinegar strokes. It was cringy to watch! |
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I fear they are - just as they thought we all wanted Paige and JAck to get together, and Tyler and Piper,
Steph is definitely not in the right frame of mind to make a rational decision on something of this magnitude. It beggars belief that Sonya made the offer to Mark without even discussing it with Toadie. Obviously she will feel no real connection with the child at all - if it was her egg, or even one of her sisters', she would, but this is a very dangerous road Sonya has stepped on. Not too obvious at all! sooner `Simone slings her hook the better, I don't know why they introduced her really, as if the Paige/Jack thing hadn't been flogged to within an inch of its life already! I have to say I was disappointed in the scriptwriters having that random kid cycle up just to make a remark about Catholic priests. Someone posted something similar on this thread a while a go and was asked by another poster to remove it as it was deemed offensive. Sorry, but I think this was uncalled for, The Catholic Church has had some problems in recent times but Neighbours is not the place to air them - it's a soap, not a documentary and has no 'right' to have a character make such offensive remarks. And I agree Steph is blatantly not 100% mentally healthy at the moment, yet Mark, Toadie nor Sonia seem to have noticed this! |
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I must be in the minority here over the music video, I thought it was good fun and classic neighbours......so what if it was cheesy and cringe, that's the whole point!!
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His singing face is like he's on the vinegar strokes. It was cringy to watch! |
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I have just had a big catch up on this week's episodes.
The surrogacy storyline is pissing me off now. Which is a shame because some of my favourite characters are involved in it. Well done Toadie for finally growing a pair and giving his godawful wife what for. Why has nobody questioned why she is driving this whole thing so forcefully. She seems to want it more than anybody. I am actually starting to like Piper now. Even Paige hasn't been annoying me. I think I am currently too consumed by Sonya loathing to have enough left to go round. I hope Dee nicks her husband. I'm sure they'll hear her and understand her hurt, however... |
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His eyes are too close together.
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Another episode that involved Angus and a microphone
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A bit behind on episodes. Really felt for Toadie when he was telling Sonya how worthless he felt because of the surrogacy plans. I honestly don't think Sonya is truly considering anyone but herself in all this. She is pushy over everything already, even with Mark and Steph, she isn't thinking how it might affect all their relationships just what she wants them to do. The way she is domineering now should be ringing alarm bells because my guess is she would be even worse if there is a baby. I can just see her interfering in Mark and Steph's parenting choices.
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I quite like Sonya, but in this baby thing, I do feel like her motivations for this surrogacy thing is more to do with her having a baby rather than helping out some friends. I completely understand Toadie's reaction yesterday.
I wonder if, down the line, there's going to be some question as to whether the baby is Mark or Todie's. |
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So they are going through with it after all..... this will end well
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Why on earth does everybody wasn't the Men's Shed all of a sudden? Paul obviously only wants it because Tim Collins does - ever think this may be one of the reasons your business schemes fail Paul, because you make all your decisions in a spirit of revenge and one-upmanship?
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