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Old 17-11-2016, 00:09
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Is Xanthe studying Japanese? If so, will we see interactions between her and the Tomato brothers and/or their granny
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Old 17-11-2016, 10:21
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Are they seriously going straight into the turkey baster storyline in the next couple of episodes? Does Sonya have the shortest menstrual cycle in the world, wasn't the IVF only last week?

Like Amy/Aaron. Aaron is a good character when he's not working as a 'promoter' as it's so unrealistic.

Gary is dumb, but Xanthe didn't really try to explain the scamming thing very well. If I was her, I'd have described in detail how her mum scammed the other men, then drew the parallels to Gary but in true soap style she gave a half hearted explanation then didn't object when he didn't listen to her.
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Old 17-11-2016, 12:18
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Are they seriously going straight into the turkey baster storyline in the next couple of episodes? Does Sonya have the shortest menstrual cycle in the world, wasn't the IVF only last week?

Like Amy/Aaron. Aaron is a good character when he's not working as a 'promoter' as it's so unrealistic.

Gary is dumb, but Xanthe didn't really try to explain the scamming thing very well. If I was her, I'd have described in detail how her mum scammed the other men, then drew the parallels to Gary but in true soap style she gave a half hearted explanation then didn't object when he didn't listen to her.
Xanthe should have been more forceful.
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Old 17-11-2016, 12:57
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Are they seriously going straight into the turkey baster storyline in the next couple of episodes? Does Sonya have the shortest menstrual cycle in the world, wasn't the IVF only last week?
She'll be giving birth during the new year opener at this rate.
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Old 17-11-2016, 13:59
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Aaaaand back on the surrogacy cringefest rodeo we go

This is being handled as badly as the church stuff, imo.
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Old 17-11-2016, 14:16
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Are they seriously going straight into the turkey baster storyline in the next couple of episodes? Does Sonya have the shortest menstrual cycle in the world, wasn't the IVF only last week?
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I thought that they just tried to harvest Steph's eggs at the hospital not Sonya's?


Yay, Victoria the IVF person is speaking sense about the plan. Shame she's too late. Aren't Mark and Sonya supposed to be fairly bright - so how come neither has noticed that Toadie's never been enthusiastic about the whole surrogacy plan and Steph clearly has had serious second thoughts since Sonya offered to be the donor.
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Old 17-11-2016, 14:47
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I also thought it was just Steph who was ovulating so they went to harvest her eggs but then discovered none were viable. They hadn't been doing the injections long enough to synch up.

I'm finding the whole storyline tiresome though. Steph is constantly changing her mind and so pbviously only doing it to give Mark a child which she's not sure she'll be able to cope with. Toadie clearly hates it and would like to try for their own child. Mark is just easily persuadable and Sonya has this weird martyr/saviour complex going on.

Is 'Blaze' officially affiliated with the Church or does Jack just help out unofficially? I thought it was the former as Jack's involvement was crucial to tgem getting funding to stay open a few months ago as he pledged to introduce the same programmes he had in his old Parish.

In which case, Paige can't just unilaterally advertise it as a help centre for family plannning etc.

Maybe she should go help out at a secular help centre for troubled youths.
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Old 17-11-2016, 16:39
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Is 'Blaze' officially affiliated with the Church or does Jack just help out unofficially? I thought it was the former as Jack's involvement was crucial to tgem getting funding to stay open a few months ago as he pledged to introduce the same programmes he had in his old Parish.

In which case, Paige can't just unilaterally advertise it as a help centre for family plannning etc.

Maybe she should go help out at a secular help centre for troubled youths.
The Catholic Church does advocate "Natural Family Planning" for married couples - ie avoiding the time the wife is ovulating.

The Church teaches that all sex outside of marriage is a sin and to be avoided. However, they will help unmarried and teenage mothers find an adoptive family for the child.

Regardless of whether Blaze is officially associated with the Church, Paige is either incredibly naïve or just plain stupid to expect a Catholic priest to endorse something that is completely against the Church teachings.
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Old 17-11-2016, 16:52
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I agree, I find Paige infuriating. She had no right yo make any unilateral decisions as it is not her premises, her initiative, anything.

My understanding is that the programme is funded by the Council, partly due to their belief in Brad and Jack due to their track records helping troubled youngsters and Jacks was as a Priest and Brad as a teacher.

Therefore, the only people that would be able to make such decisions would be a committee involving all 3 parties, council, school and church.

Oddly, the Church helping teenage runaways and expecting mothers has been covered in Neighbours before. Right at the beginning of the show Daphne had Priest friend who she worked with on social.projects and he was involved in Kim Taylors story,who has been speculated as being Leo and David's mother.
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Old 17-11-2016, 17:00
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Has Sonya forgotten she has a nursery? There's been no sight or mention of it in months. She was moaning she wouldn't have enough time to do anything when she was elected mayor, but has seemingly forgotten about these issues since interfering with Mark and Steph.
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Old 17-11-2016, 17:30
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Are they seriously going straight into the turkey baster storyline in the next couple of episodes? Does Sonya have the shortest menstrual cycle in the world, wasn't the IVF only last week?

Like Amy/Aaron. Aaron is a good character when he's not working as a 'promoter' as it's so unrealistic.

Gary is dumb, but Xanthe didn't really try to explain the scamming thing very well. If I was her, I'd have described in detail how her mum scammed the other men, then drew the parallels to Gary but in true soap style she gave a half hearted explanation then didn't object when he didn't listen to her.
Yes straight to the baster .
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I thought that they just tried to harvest Steph's eggs at the hospital not Sonya's?


Yay, Victoria the IVF person is speaking sense about the plan. Shame she's too late. Aren't Mark and Sonya supposed to be fairly bright - so how come neither has noticed that Toadie's never been enthusiastic about the whole surrogacy plan and Steph clearly has had serious second thoughts since Sonya offered to be the donor.
Why would they harvest Sonya's? She's the surrogate so they can be fertilised in a more natural way - some of Mark's little swimmers fired on up there
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Old 17-11-2016, 17:49
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Its been uncomfortable listening to Sonya talk abut her eggs, but Mark waving around a bag full of his jizz is a bit much for a tea time soap.
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Old 17-11-2016, 18:09
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Its been uncomfortable listening to Sonya talk abut her eggs, but Mark waving around a bag full of his jizz is a bit much for a tea time soap.
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Old 17-11-2016, 18:17
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This is how I see some of the characters thought processes:

Steph: she's never really wanted a baby. You could tell early on that she was doing it for Mark, and she convinced herself that she would like a baby, too. Now she's not actually going to be the biological mother, she realises that she doesn't actually want a baby and is going along with the idea for Mark. It's always been about Mark and saving her relationship. She allowed her insecurities to drive her early on and now she stuck.

Mark and Sonya don't want to see that Toadie isn't comfortable with the whole thing. They would rather turn a blind eye. I do think Sonya feels weird about it now, especially after today where she had that wishful look at Toadie - she knows he's not comfortable.

Paige: simply, she thinks she knows Jack and that he would be able to place his personal beliefs above that of the Church's beliefs when working without affiliation at Blaze. This is because a part of her still wants him to choose her. Like Jack said: "where does that leave us?" He brought it back to their relationship, because that is at the heart of all of their miscommunications. I think Paige is fine with handing out leaflets to kids who need help with unplanned pregnancies and whatever else. She's doing something nice. I think in this instance Jack should back off, as the church is not affiliated with Blaze and thus have no input in what they do regardless of Jack's voluntary status.

Meanwhile, I love having Lou back. The show misses his type of character and what he brings to the show.
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Old 17-11-2016, 19:11
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This is how I see some of the characters thought processes:

Steph: she's never really wanted a baby. You could tell early on that she was doing it for Mark, and she convinced herself that she would like a baby, too. Now she's not actually going to be the biological mother, she realises that she doesn't actually want a baby and is going along with the idea for Mark. It's always been about Mark and saving her relationship. She allowed her insecurities to drive her early on and now she stuck.

Mark and Sonya don't want to see that Toadie isn't comfortable with the whole thing. They would rather turn a blind eye. I do think Sonya feels weird about it now, especially after today where she had that wishful look at Toadie - she knows he's not comfortable.

Paige: simply, she thinks she knows Jack and that he would be able to place his personal beliefs above that of the Church's beliefs when working without affiliation at Blaze. This is because a part of her still wants him to choose her. Like Jack said: "where does that leave us?" He brought it back to their relationship, because that is at the heart of all of their miscommunications. I think Paige is fine with handing out leaflets to kids who need help with unplanned pregnancies and whatever else. She's doing something nice. I think in this instance Jack should back off, as the church is not affiliated with Blaze and thus have no input in what they do regardless of Jack's voluntary status.

Meanwhile, I love having Lou back. The show misses his type of character and what he brings to the show.
Yes, Lou on Tinder had me laughing out loud!!
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Old 17-11-2016, 19:59
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so at least one source has confirmed the pregnancies, link provided in the Spoiler below

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Old 17-11-2016, 20:09
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Its been uncomfortable listening to Sonya talk abut her eggs, but Mark waving around a bag full of his jizz is a bit much for a tea time soap.
I just snorted tea out my nose
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Old 17-11-2016, 20:17
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so at least one source has confirmed the pregnancies, link provided in the Spoiler below

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brb, head-desking until the next century.
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Old 17-11-2016, 22:49
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Why would they harvest Sonya's? She's the surrogate so they can be fertilised in a more natural way - some of Mark's little swimmers fired on up there

The original plan was to harvest Steph's eggs, use iVF to fertilise them with Mark's sperm and then implant the embryos into Sonya. The baby would be Steph and Mark's biological child.

When the tests showed that Steph did not have viable eggs, it was decided (mainly by Sonya) that Mark and Steph would get an egg donor which would be fertilised and implanted into Sonya.

It was too expensive for Mark and Steph, they'd have to go to the States, and both Steph's sisters refused to be egg donors. Mark and Steph were starting to think/discuss other options including adoption when Sonya volunteered to be both the surrogate and egg donor.
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Old 17-11-2016, 22:49
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Yep! I think David's either gay or bisexual. The way he stood in front of Aaron when at his house instead of just leaving after he had finished talking to him tells me that he fancies Aaron. I definitely think he's attracted to the same sex. I agree with what that woman from the hospital said about women being surrogates. I know Sonia has the best of intentions, but unless she's totally finished with having babies and doesn't want any more, I think she'll become attached to it before it's born. I really don't trust Sonia not to become attached to the baby when she's carrying it.
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Old 17-11-2016, 22:58
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Yep! I think David's either gay or bisexual. The way he stood in front of Aaron when at his house instead of just leaving after he had finished talking to him tells me that he fancies Aaron. I definitely think he's attracted to the same sex. I agree with what that woman from the hospital said about women being surrogates. I know Sonia has the best of intentions, but unless she's totally finished with having babies and doesn't want any more, I think she'll become attached to it before it's born. I really don't trust Sonia not to become attached to the baby when she's carrying it.
BIB - Sonya clearly wants another baby. The fact she wanted to breastfeed the baby - when they were planning to use Steph's eggs - should have raised some major red flags about how over-invested in the process she was. Especially in light of Toadie's injury and fertility problems.

I do wonder if, at some point, the whole thing will get confused by everyone's favourite soap cliché of the "Miracle Pregnancy for the Infertile Woman!" with Steph.
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Old 18-11-2016, 06:38
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BIB - Sonya clearly wants another baby. The fact she wanted to breastfeed the baby - when they were planning to use Steph's eggs - should have raised some major red flags about how over-invested in the process she was. Especially in light of Toadie's injury and fertility problems.

I do wonder if, at some point, the whole thing will get confused by everyone's favourite soap cliché of the "Miracle Pregnancy for the Infertile Woman!" with Steph.
Is she even infertile I thought she just wanted to not have kids due to the risk of depression.
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Old 18-11-2016, 07:51
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This is how I see some of the characters thought processes:

Steph: she's never really wanted a baby. You could tell early on that she was doing it for Mark, and she convinced herself that she would like a baby, too. Now she's not actually going to be the biological mother, she realises that she doesn't actually want a baby and is going along with the idea for Mark. It's always been about Mark and saving her relationship. She allowed her insecurities to drive her early on and now she stuck.

Mark and Sonya don't want to see that Toadie isn't comfortable with the whole thing. They would rather turn a blind eye. I do think Sonya feels weird about it now, especially after today where she had that wishful look at Toadie - she knows he's not comfortable.

Paige: simply, she thinks she knows Jack and that he would be able to place his personal beliefs above that of the Church's beliefs when working without affiliation at Blaze. This is because a part of her still wants him to choose her. Like Jack said: "where does that leave us?" He brought it back to their relationship, because that is at the heart of all of their miscommunications. I think Paige is fine with handing out leaflets to kids who need help with unplanned pregnancies and whatever else. She's doing something nice. I think in this instance Jack should back off, as the church is not affiliated with Blaze and thus have no input in what they do regardless of Jack's voluntary status.

Meanwhile, I love having Lou back. The show misses his type of character and what he brings to the show.
The whole surrogacy story is really ticking me off!

As for Paige, this is obviously just a set up for a Paige pregnancy story - just to make the whole priest story even better.
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Old 18-11-2016, 13:01
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The original plan was to harvest Steph's eggs, use iVF to fertilise them with Mark's sperm and then implant the embryos into Sonya. The baby would be Steph and Mark's biological child.

When the tests showed that Steph did not have viable eggs, it was decided (mainly by Sonya) that Mark and Steph would get an egg donor which would be fertilised and implanted into Sonya.

It was too expensive for Mark and Steph, they'd have to go to the States, and both Steph's sisters refused to be egg donors. Mark and Steph were starting to think/discuss other options including adoption when Sonya volunteered to be both the surrogate and egg donor.
I know all this. I was responding to someone who said they weren't harvesting Sonya's eggs only Steph's which is why I asked why they'd harvest Sonya's when she's just a rent a womb. i doubt Sonya had even started on the hormones yet as Steph hadn't had any eggs harvested. Suddenly Mark appears with a bag of gubbins and voila she's up the duff within a fortnight. That's seriously fertile. I'm hoping it'll be a baby toad because her control freakery will drive us all mad otherwise.
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Old 18-11-2016, 13:50
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Erm... so is it supposed to be Christmas in Neighbours now then? I know they go off air through December, so unless we've jumped forward in time by a few weeks why the f*ck are people putting up Christmas trees at home?!?!?!
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