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Old 06-06-2016, 00:56
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I'm not sitting on the fence, i'm commenting on different points.

Point 1 - in my experience, some very strong romantic/sexual relationships have started out as friendships so i agree with you on that.

Point 2 - I think there are legitimate concerns about any relationship which could be sexual between a 24 year old who is an adult and a 16 year old who is in limbo between childhood and adulthood.

Point 3 - generally (yes, that word, generally) i would not agree with a sexual relationship between a 16 and 24 year old even if it had started as a friendship. It it stays purely as a friendship for several years and develops into a romantic/sexual relationship if a few years when they are both very definitely adults, that is a different matter.

Generalizations aside, look at the specifics of this couple. We know sex is important to Tyler, he has said as much. He sees sex as part of a romantic relationship as most 24 year olds would. Piper made it clear that she wasn't ready to sleep with Chas, somebody she had been seeing for months in Canada and was 'in love' with. This suggests she is not ready for sex - which is perfectly reasonable for a 16 year old.

So, for sex alone, Tyler and Piper are currently at different points in their lives.

My position on this has remained unchanged ever since it first started being discussed months ago. There is no sitting on the fence.

As an aside, i don't think you can leave morality out of things - whether something feels 'right' to you morally has to be part of the decision making process, whether consciously or sub consciously. And for me, unless it is very exceptional circumstances (perhaps the 24 year old doesn't believe in sex before marriage) the differing levels in sexual maturity and expectations would make any relationship between a 24 year old and 16 year old morally dubious. Others might not, which is up to them.

As an aside, most people in RS still think Paul is guilty. They might think he didn't mean to do it, didn't mean to kill anybody, but they think he did it. Even Amy thinks that. The only people that really believe him are Steph and Aaron and it is Paul who has convinced them directly. Piper couldn't even convince her own parents that they might be wrong about believing he is guilty.

Really do need to stop now, i'm sure it is getting boring for other people and my signal keeps dropping out!
You keep bringing up sex.

Tyler and Piper are not doing anything sexual. They never have. Piper has a crush on Tyler as probably a fair few of the female population would. Tyler clearly feels something towards Piper. Maybe because a) He likes her personality, feels comfortable around her, cares for her etc b) Shock horror she isn't the ugliest person to ever walk the face of the earth.

Piper kissed Tyler, it was a peck on the lips. They had a moment. It happened. They haven't kissed since but they seem to have grown even closer despite periods of distance between them. Again, this doesn't comply with a short lived school girl crush scenario.

Also, it was never just one way.

Point to note, I picked up on this months ago and was told it was my imagination and that I was watching a different show. Since then Nate, Paige and Chas have commented on the same thing.

At present Piper and Tyler are friends. It does look like things are being set for them to become a couple in the future. I hope so anyway. Why?

Because it will make a change from the "let's lump these 2 together for no reason" matchings.

Because they are great together and click with each other on screen.

Because it would be great to see Piper happy and get what she wants.

Because Piper seems to bring the best out of Tyler. He was moping around when he was with Courtney.

Because there are loads of people on social media who want to see them as a couple.

So in essence, I think they have a great chance at being a good couple and it's only non existent, presumptions that are being highlighted as barriers to them getting together.

Also, I don't think you should apologise for posting. It's hardly the busiest of threads on DS. And if people are getting bored of posts about Piper they can always finish the job and bore themselves to death in the Eastenders forum. Or post about characters they like.

I am happy to debate any character forum readers, not just Piper. And on re-reading my post I do come across as quite a rational thoughtful individual even if I do say so myself. Not sure why I get so much flack on here? Maybe I come across as overly confident in my posting style.
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Old 06-06-2016, 01:18
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I don't deny that she is my fave character and I do like her. I'm sorry this offends so many people.

At the same time a lot of people have beef with her. This ensues in a debate.

I do defend her and I do post about her but other people post about her too and she is a key character at the moment.

I do post about other characters but it seems people choose to ignore that as it doesn't give them ammunition to insult me or label me as an obsessive.

I'm happy to take flack for being a Piper fan. I know how to hold my own. But when people start planting seeds and trying underhand tactics to make me look like something I'm not that's uncalled for really. All it really shows is that I'm winning the debate. The same people who imply someone in their 30's shouldn't like a 19/20 year old actress are the same who are more than happy to admire actors a lot younger than them. But I'm not about to call the kettle black.

Of course we are living in the age of hysteria. And we know which side of the scale that hysteria tips towards.

If we want to get petty and create an atmosphere of hysteria I could start accusing people of "bullying" a 16 yo soap character on here back in January. Well then SS came along and shook things up. There's no need for personal insults though. It has to be said some people take Neighbours way too seriously. It's 20 minutes a day out of reality, and us Pisceans do love an escape from reality. I know it's a wonder I manage to hold down a full time job, pay my rent and feed myself what with being such a Piper obsessive.
Their is defending someone and there is having rose tinted glasses. It is great you defebd your fave but be open minded about it. If you can find fault in Xanthe, etc than you can in Piper too. Just because you like her does not mean she us a saint.
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Old 06-06-2016, 01:34
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I keep mentioning sex because that is the primary reason that the difference in their age is a concern to characters like Brad And Terese in the show and some viewers as we have seen Tyler with Paige, Courtney and even Imogen so know what he would expect IF their friendship were to develop into a romantic one.

I'm not disputing what it is now, it is platonic although Piper made it clear she viewed him romantically some time ago and I doubt it has really gone away but sex is the main reason it should remain platonic and not become romantic until Piper is older - in my opinion of course.

Actually I'm not sure i've ever talked about the morality of it until tonight, if her parents are okay with it and the older person treats the younger with respect, is willing to go at their 'pace' and the 16 year old is very mature then it might sometimes work.

But i have always been able to see why a teenagers parents would have reservations about it so why Brad and Terese reacted as they did when they found out Piper liked him and Tyler had kissed her. Also, I don't personally think (and this is just my opinion) that Piper is particularly mature or that Tyler would be able to moderate his wants and expectations of a romantic relationship.

People can of course discuss anything they wish but I do know i can be like a dog with a bone and sometimes not let things go which can result in going round in circles which can be frustrating for other posters (it has been commented on) so whilst I won't not post if i feel i have something pertinent to say, I do feel I should try and stop myself repeating and just 'let it go' once I've stated my views and the reasons i have come to them - people will either understand, appreciate and agree or disagree - me repeating them isn't going to make any difference to that - at least i know it doesn't change my views to just have the same thing said again and again, if anything it just makes me stubbornly dig my heels in more on my original stance.

Anyway, very late, battery going so goodnight all.
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Old 06-06-2016, 01:35
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Yes they did kiss and they have argued since and have fallen out since (for all of 2 mins). They then make up and are still friends. Piper said she couldn't be friends with Tyler anymore after he confessed to messing with the boiler. The next day they were back to normal. All of that would imply there is something there.
Piper was angry with Paul because of the boiler thing, now she seems to have forgiven him. So how she was with Tyler was just down to grief. She was only happy with Tyler once she knew it was not him. Also on the kiss, it was her who kissed him not a mutual thing. Tyler seemed to be upset more because he felt he should be looking after her not letting her down.

The thing with Tyler and Piper even if or when they get together they will not last.
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Old 06-06-2016, 01:57
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I keep mentioning sex because that is the primary reason that the difference in their age is a concern to characters like Brad And Terese in the show and some viewers as we have seen Tyler with Paige, Courtney and even Imogen so know what he would expect IF their friendship were to develop into a romantic one.

I'm not disputing what it is now, it is platonic although Piper made it clear she viewed him romantically some time ago and I doubt it has really gone away but sex is the main reason it should remain platonic and not become romantic until Piper is older - in my opinion of course.

Actually I'm not sure i've ever talked about the morality of it until tonight, if her parents are okay with it and the older person treats the younger with respect, is willing to go at their 'pace' and the 16 year old is very mature then it might sometimes work.

But i have always been able to see why a teenagers parents would have reservations about it so why Brad and Terese reacted as they did when they found out Piper liked him and Tyler had kissed her. Also, I don't personally think (and this is just my opinion) that Piper is particularly mature or that Tyler would be able to moderate his wants and expectations of a romantic relationship.

People can of course discuss anything they wish but I do know i can be like a dog with a bone and sometimes not let things go which can result in going round in circles which can be frustrating for other posters (it has been commented on) so whilst I won't not post if i feel i have something pertinent to say, I do feel I should try and stop myself repeating and just 'let it go' once I've stated my views and the reasons i have come to them - people will either understand, appreciate and agree or disagree - me repeating them isn't going to make any difference to that - at least i know it doesn't change my views to just have the same thing said again and again, if anything it just makes me stubbornly dig my heels in more on my original stance.

Anyway, very late, battery going so goodnight all.
I think we are looking at it from 2 different angles. I am coming from the chick flick Rom Com angle where you want the 2 characters to get together by the end.

You are coming from a very moralistic parental stand point where you are concerned about the repercussions of what might occur. I am not saying you are wrong just saying that is why we have different opinions on this.

Tyler wouldn't take advantage of Piper. He cares about her and is not a callous person.

Piper is confident and self assured enough to not be pressured into something she doesn't want to do.

Brad may not approve initially but once he calms down he is quite laid back. He let Chas stay at the house. Also, he hardly leads by example.

Terese at the moment is burying her head in a bottle and is consumed by grief. She is aware Tyler and Piper are hanging out again.

I would again say the odds are stacked towards them getting together but anything could change. I heard Courtney's name mentioned the other day and that made me shudder. But then Tyler didn't take up Paige's offer of going out with them.
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Old 06-06-2016, 02:08
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Piper was angry with Paul because of the boiler thing, now she seems to have forgiven him. So how she was with Tyler was just down to grief. She was only happy with Tyler once she knew it was not him. Also on the kiss, it was her who kissed him not a mutual thing. Tyler seemed to be upset more because he felt he should be looking after her not letting her down.

The thing with Tyler and Piper even if or when they get together they will not last.
I did criticise her for being rude to Tyler the other week. It just seems she is a polarising character. I don't know whether people are jealous that she managed to turn Tyler's head but certainly she does seem to rile some people up to the point where they attack her fans

She did kiss Tyler. He didn't pull away though. You can't say it won't last. It is Paige and Tyler that wouldn't last. Steph and Mark won't last either.
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Old 06-06-2016, 02:11
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Some other points I want to make that aren't Piper related...

It was great to see the man the myth the legend that is Tom Quill back on the screen. Hopefully he gets his money back off Xanthe and Angus. I wonder if there might be space for him to be a permanent character now Nate has left. Not only could he be Aaron's love interest he would also bring some much needed pizzazz to RS. He would certainly spice things up and be great entertainment value.

How about moving the whole Quill family into RS? Now that would be something. A whole family of villains to savour. The bratty kid who had a fight with Charlie would be good value.

On the subject of Nate, was sad to see him go. They only just put him back in the credits. He does have a nice way about him. I guess we won't see him until the next disaster where his part-time rescuer skills will be required. Thank god he didn't take the wonderful Aaron with him.

Lauren is being a real bitch about the whole Ned thing. She did lead him on and give him signals. Ned backed off and apologised but then Lauren still wanted to tell Brad. What would that achieve?

The Brennan scene with the chair was funny. It is great to see them having a scene together.

The whole Aldi Paige John Doe thing was weird. They never did explain why she pretended to be his girlfriend.

Jimmy getting stung in the woods. This kid is an accident waiting to happen. If he makes it to live to high school I'll be shocked.
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:14
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It was great to see the man the myth the legend that is Tom Quill back on the screen. Hopefully he gets his money back off Xanthe and Angus. I wonder if there might be space for him to be a permanent character now Nate has left. Not only could he be Aaron's love interest he would also bring some much needed pizzazz to RS. He would certainly spice things up and be great entertainment value.

How about moving the whole Quill family into RS? Now that would be something. A whole family of villains to savour. The bratty kid who had a fight with Charlie would be good value..
I really would like Aaron and Tom to become a proper couple. The Quills seem like they could have lots of potential as regulars. Can't see them moving in to RS though, it seems a bit downmarket for them. I wish they'd kept the Aspire apartments or maybe whenever Lassiters is up and running again the penthouse if it's still one of the sets.
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Old 06-06-2016, 10:23
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I really would like Aaron and Tom to become a proper couple. The Quills seem like they could have lots of potential as regulars. Can't see them moving in to RS though, it seems a bit downmarket for them. I wish they'd kept the Aspire apartments or maybe whenever Lassiters is up and running again the penthouse if it's still one of the sets.
The penthouse wont return as the Robinsons Motel set is the old Penthouse set. As long as Paul moves back on to the Street eventually they wont need it.
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Old 06-06-2016, 14:48
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I think everything points to julie quill being the culprit, with jacko doing her dirty work, she was going to build a second tower and knock down harolds and had an engineer leave boxes in the boiler room. She also bailed tom despite him not wanting anything to do with her because she probably felt guilty about him being caught in the explosion.

She probably saw the hotel was losing money and wanted the insurance to pay for a new hotel and also to settle the score with paul.

She said the other day to terese.. Just do what you have to to make sure paul is sent down.
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Old 06-06-2016, 14:50
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I also think paul will be awarded lassiters as compo for being falsely in prison.
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Old 06-06-2016, 14:59
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I wish they would just get on and tell the audience who caused the explosion at Lassiters (which curiously does not look too damaged lol!) - its getting boring now.
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:02
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hmm she is too young, and besides why does a 24 year old find this annoying 16 year old girl attractive anyway ( sorry but she is a bit annoying however i get that she is meant to be as she is 16. AAAAAnyway, can we now please have closure on the 'bomb' incident? and can someone PLEASE give Aaron and Tom some acting lessons. Apart from that I do like a bit of Neighbours...................
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:03
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I wish they would just get on and tell the audience who caused the explosion at Lassiters (which curiously does not look too damaged lol!) - its getting boring now.
I know right.. The trial starts and ends in two episodes which is ridiculous, i think it has atleast three weeks to go judging by the spoilers atleast.
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:04
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isnt it clearly Steph biker friend?

2 reasons

1) he has no other reason to destroy the suspect board like he did
2) he said he was going to give Paul a fake passport to make sure he ended up in jail.
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:05
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I think everything points to julie quill being the culprit, with jacko doing her dirty work, she was going to build a second tower and knock down harolds and had an engineer leave boxes in the boiler room. She also bailed tom despite him not wanting anything to do with her because she probably felt guilty about him being caught in the explosion.

She probably saw the hotel was losing money and wanted the insurance to pay for a new hotel and also to settle the score with paul.

She said the other day to terese.. Just do what you have to to make sure paul is sent down.

hhmmm Julie Quill: where does that accent come from? and are we going to see more of the dreadful Archie?
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:08
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I think we are looking at it from 2 different angles. I am coming from the chick flick Rom Com angle where you want the 2 characters to get together by the end.

You are coming from a very moralistic parental stand point where you are concerned about the repercussions of what might occur. I am not saying you are wrong just saying that is why we have different opinions on this.

Tyler wouldn't take advantage of Piper. He cares about her and is not a callous person.

Piper is confident and self assured enough to not be pressured into something she doesn't want to do.

Brad may not approve initially but once he calms down he is quite laid back. He let Chas stay at the house. Also, he hardly leads by example.

Terese at the moment is burying her head in a bottle and is consumed by grief. She is aware Tyler and Piper are hanging out again.

I would again say the odds are stacked towards them getting together but anything could change. I heard Courtney's name mentioned the other day and that made me shudder. But then Tyler didn't take up Paige's offer of going out with them.
hmm Piper is too young, and besides why does a 24 year old find this annoying 16 year old girl attractive anyway ( sorry but she is a bit annoying however i get that she is meant to be as she is 16. AAAAAnyway, can we now please have closure on the 'bomb' incident? and can someone PLEASE give Aaron and Tom some acting lessons. Apart from that I do like a bit of Neighbours...................
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:09
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I think everything points to julie quill being the culprit, with jacko doing her dirty work, she was going to build a second tower and knock down harolds and had an engineer leave boxes in the boiler room. She also bailed tom despite him not wanting anything to do with her because she probably felt guilty about him being caught in the explosion.

She probably saw the hotel was losing money and wanted the insurance to pay for a new hotel and also to settle the score with paul.

She said the other day to terese.. Just do what you have to to make sure paul is sent down.
Can't quite pin down Julie's accent: one minute there is a scots tinge and then she has an irish inflection ...............
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:10
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I know right.. The trial starts and ends in two episodes which is ridiculous, i think it has atleast three weeks to go judging by the spoilers atleast.
and at the end of the trial we will still be none the wiser lol!!!
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:12
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Their is defending someone and there is having rose tinted glasses. It is great you defebd your fave but be open minded about it. If you can find fault in Xanthe, etc than you can in Piper too. Just because you like her does not mean she us a saint.
well if you want to see sex crazed teenagers all you have to do is keep it on channel 5 for Home and Away. ALL the storylines are based around relationships..... at least Neighbours do attempt to be a bit creative and everyone is not young and gorgeous..........
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:15
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Can't quite pin down Julie's accent: one minute there is a scots tinge and then she has an irish inflection ...............
Apperently she has been married to stefan Dennis for 16 years
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Old 06-06-2016, 16:23
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As much as I sympthesise with Terese she is very irritating at the moment.
Where's Amy? And why does the judge appear as if she is biased. Is it bad acting or written like that?. Plus it one hell of a quick trial. All the witness in one afternoon. Should have split it so we can presume others gave evidence as well.
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Old 06-06-2016, 16:43
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Old 06-06-2016, 16:52
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The judge disregards it for some reason but then terese gets arrested for perjury. No idea, seems like they need paul sent down
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Old 06-06-2016, 16:57
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The judge disregards it for some reason but then terese gets arrested for perjury. No idea, seems like they need paul sent down
that judge would be thrown out and sent to prison himself for that, if nothing else he should have ordered a retrial with a new jury
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