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Neighbours - Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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Scorpio2
06-07-2016
Originally Posted by Towie1977:
“I've said it before and I'll say it again: Paige could still be a good character they just need to stop making her such a b#%*ch! She hasn't paused to one think about Jacks needs its all about her own.

The Dug Out shed was a lovely touch. Did we actually see Brad and Doug start to build it? I can't remember.

The Rebecchi scenes have been excellent all this week. They are such a believable couple when they argue. I like that they didn't kiss and make up straight away after Walter.

The stories really seemed to have slowed down this week. They need something big to capture interest.”

It's too late for Paige. Next year her contract will be up and she will most likely leave.
They had 2 years to mature her character so there is no point now.
Noxy
06-07-2016
Originally Posted by Lady Voldemort:
“I'm just having a catch up of the past two episodes.

Did that old priest basically tell Paige to her face that she was a strumpet, a brazen hussy, a scarlet woman (in her scarlet dress)?

Someone high five that man ”

Someone high five Paige in the face!
kitkat1971
06-07-2016
I would love to know what the writers opinions on Paige are. Whether they are writing this thinking that the audience will be sympathizing with her, finding it cute, wanting her to 'get her man' so she can be happy?

Or are they intentionally writing her as a thoughtless, selfish nightmare?
Sez_babe
07-07-2016
Completely off topic but I've thought this for ages - does anyone else think that in a few years, and when there is a spare house, Lucas and Vanessa will come back with all their children?
lobeydosser
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I would love to know what the writers opinions on Paige are. Whether they are writing this thinking that the audience will be sympathizing with her, finding it cute, wanting her to 'get her man' so she can be happy?

Or are they intentionally writing her as a thoughtless, selfish nightmare?”

The writers' opinions would be interesting. Not just the way they have created Paige, but there was Mason, Kate became unlikeable, there is a lot of discomfort about Piper/Tyler. And then there was the dreaded Ditch! I think they are daft enough to think we are rooting for Paige! DO they ever read these threads?

I used to like Paige and never shared the general dislike on here but this 'thing' with Jack has gone too far. Her obsession with a complete stranger in the middle of her family's grief, and then the way she was gloating to Aaron that Jack wouldn't be a priest much longer.....ughhhhh!!!!! Her attitude to Jack is totally selfish and she obviously does not care one bit about how he feels. Get thee to a nunnery, Jezebel!

Neighbours is treating a very serious subject far too lightly - but the Neighbours is never very good at dealing with serious subjects.
lobeydosser
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Get Den Watts:
“Paige going full-on slapper to try and tempt Father Jack off his holy path is very desperate and also in very bad taste.”

Paige/Jack and Piper/Tyler are both in very bad taste, and seem to be leaving a nasty taste in the m outs of many viewers.

For heaven's sake, Neighbours, get back on track!
retrovertigo
07-07-2016
It's utterly bizarre how they have Paige acting these days. I mean it is one thing to perhaps lure someone from a normal job, but to try and seduce someone away from the church?

I'm not a religious person at all, but there must be a lot of viewers who are offended by it?

I did used to like Paige, but now I think my preferred outcome is that he stays with the church and becomes the local vicar (is that the right term) and so Paige sees him around all the time and is tormented until she goes insane.
lobeydosser
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by retrovertigo:
“It's utterly bizarre how they have Paige acting these days. I mean it is one thing to perhaps lure someone from a normal job, but to try and seduce someone away from the church?

I'm not a religious person at all, but there must be a lot of viewers who are offended by it?

I did used to like Paige, but now I think my preferred outcome is that he stays with the church and becomes the local vicar (is that the right term) and so Paige sees him around all the time and is tormented until she goes insane.”

Or maybe she could go into a convent!
mrs.deschanel
07-07-2016
I think Piper is being written badly too. She wasn't this bratty child who needed her own way all of the time before nor did she constantly go off in a strop with her bum stuck out. She was a bit edgy (if you consider wearing 90s clothes edgy) and has now gone to full on spoilt little tart trying to get Tyler into bed. Paige has always been a spoiled princess but she's gone way too far with this Jack thing. The priesthood is a vocation - it's Jack's whole life. It's not something he can walk away from lightly because he's seen Paige's norks or she's wearing a tarty frock (which looked like a cross between a parachute and a tent). She seems to be taking it on as a challenge because she wants him so has to have him. She was never this bad before and even showed some vulnerability and empathy with the Michelle/Tomato storyline. The writers are poor at the moment with all younger females. Steph is still strong, Sonya still ditzy, Susan still a busybody who cares for others, Amy still tough but a weird mother to evil Jimmy etc. so why ruin Paige, Piper and Xanthe? Xanthe was showing more than dim celeb obsessed irritant - where's that gone? What happened to her learning difficulties? She needs more depth.
Agent Krycek
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Or maybe she could go into a convent!”

Please don't give the writers ideas or they'll have her dressed as a sexy nun next in her ongoing quest

Can we have that other priest in more episodes, just want him wandering around dropping truth bombs randomly
SecretLifeoBees
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by retrovertigo:
“It's utterly bizarre how they have Paige acting these days. I mean it is one thing to perhaps lure someone from a normal job, but to try and seduce someone away from the church?

I'm not a religious person at all, but there must be a lot of viewers who are offended by it?

I did used to like Paige, but now I think my preferred outcome is that he stays with the church and becomes the local vicar (is that the right term) and so Paige sees him around all the time and is tormented until she goes insane.”

If the Neighbours Facebook page is anything to go by there are hell of a lot of people both religious and non-religious offended by this storyline. The most common points raised seem to be
1. The disrespect being shown to the church and people of faith by implying their beliefs are easily swayed.
2. The disrespect being shown towards Jack by Paige.
3. Paige's constant displays of desperation.

I hope they have him remain in the church. Has Neighbours had a regular character as a man of the cloth at all? Plus it would show Paige she can't always get what she wants. Knowing Paige she will probably make a play for Father Vincent instead
Towie1977
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by mrs.deschanel:
“I think Piper is being written badly too. She wasn't this bratty child who needed her own way all of the time before nor did she constantly go off in a strop with her bum stuck out. She was a bit edgy (if you consider wearing 90s clothes edgy) and has now gone to full on spoilt little tart trying to get Tyler into bed. Paige has always been a spoiled princess but she's gone way too far with this Jack thing. The priesthood is a vocation - it's Jack's whole life. It's not something he can walk away from lightly because he's seen Paige's norks or she's wearing a tarty frock (which looked like a cross between a parachute and a tent). She seems to be taking it on as a challenge because she wants him so has to have him. She was never this bad before and even showed some vulnerability and empathy with the Michelle/Tomato storyline. The writers are poor at the moment with all younger females. Steph is still strong, Sonya still ditzy, Susan still a busybody who cares for others, Amy still tough but a weird mother to evil Jimmy etc. so why ruin Paige, Piper and Xanthe? Xanthe was showing more than dim celeb obsessed irritant - where's that gone? What happened to her learning difficulties? She needs more depth.”

The actors are great but I agree there is a lot of inconsistency. Piper's way more immature now than when she first arrived, she was always wiser than Xanthe but now she's the one lying and making bad choices. Xanthes also gone backwards and has become really shallow again, although I do love her. Paige is the one who annoys the most, she was my favourite character but she's just so selfish these days. I really want the old Paige back. Her first year on the show was brilliant. I actually think Madison is a breath of fresh air. It's good to see a female with strong values who isn't out for herself all the time. I hope she can stay that way.
kitkat1971
07-07-2016
I want Jack to stay i the Priesthood as well, if only to teach Paige a lesson.

If that isn't possible, if he must succumb to her, I'd like him to regret it and hate her for having done this to him, lose the 'most important thing in his life". Hate her forever, bot just for a few episodes.

Then, when he comes to terms with his secular life n to form a loving, serious relationship with somebody else - somebody that has truly been there for him as a friend, not a pawiing, needy, selfish brat - Amy or Madison perhaps.

The thing that keeps striking me which i hate is the way people (not just Paige but others including Aaron) keep saying that he's not with the Church 'at the moment'. As though it is some kind of 'free pass' 'what happens in Erinsborough, stays in Erinsborough', 'stag weekend' deal where if he does regret sleeping with Paige, or the relationship doesn't work, no harm will be done and he can just skip back to being a Priest with a clear conscience. Hmmm no, he would still have broken his vows and he wouldn't be able to forget that, even if the church were willing to turn a blind eye. Or do they assume he would just keep quiet about it?

It's possible of course that the writers room is actually divided on the. Subject with some rooting for Paige, Piper/Tyler and some thinking it is off - hence the sometimes inconsistent screen attitude to the plot - at least the latter where at times it is being presented as a romeo and Juliet type romance where they should be together and age doesn't matter and at other times as completely wrong re the age gap and sneaking around/lying.

I don't mind Madison either. Yes the actress is limited (to put it mildly) but the character herself seems okay. And i remember somebody saying she doesn't ring true as Scott and charlenes daughter but I actually think she does. They (r at least Scott) would insist on working hard at school, aiming for a good career, being kind, honest, knowing your own mind and having strength of character.
zx50
07-07-2016
That priest who talked to Paige at the end of yesterday's episode was a complete prat. Just because Paige decided to fight for him, the older one thought it would be a good idea to try and completely insult her. Jack's a far better fella than the older priest is. The older one's a nasty piece of work.
lobeydosser
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“That priest who talked to Paige at the end of yesterday's episode was a complete prat. Just because Paige decided to fight for him, the older one thought it would be a good idea to try and completely insult her. Jack's a far better fella than the older priest is. The older one's a nasty piece of work.”

He gave her a well-deserved piece of his mind. She is behaving dreadfully and needed telling!
Sierra-Oscar
07-07-2016
Just catching up on todays and yesterdays eps.

"I'm not going to pressure you." Paige says.

Bloody hell, I'd hate to see what she was really like if she WAS pressuring him!
PigsMightFly
07-07-2016
The actress who plays Madison is so wooden.
kitkat1971
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“That priest who talked to Paige at the end of yesterday's episode was a complete prat. Just because Paige decided to fight for him, the older one thought it would be a good idea to try and completely insult her. Jack's a far better fella than the older priest is. The older one's a nasty piece of work.”

Given what Jack had bee saying about her and the way she was dressed he probably deemed her to be a Jezebel and quite frankly, i don't think he is far from the truth. All that stuff at the beginning of today's about how she is 'allowed' to dress to tempt him otherwise it isn't a far fight.

She is knowing no respect to Jack or his religion so why should another representative of that religion show her respect?
lobeydosser
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Given what Jack had bee saying about her and the way she was dressed he probably deemed her to be a Jezebel and quite frankly, i don't think he is far from the truth. All that stuff at the beginning of today's about how she is 'allowed' to dress to tempt him otherwise it isn't a far fight.

She is knowing no respect to Jack or his religion so why should another representative of that religion show her respect?”

Well said!
Tellystar
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by PigsMightFly:
“The actress who plays Madison is so wooden.”

Madison reminds me of a Barbie doll, and she is so vacuous
There is nothing in her eyes and seems to have only one expression
PDS1985
07-07-2016
Good episode.

I'm also still a fan of Paige she's awesome (in my opinion).

As for Madison nice character but I'm not a fan of the acting at the moment.
SecretLifeoBees
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Given what Jack had bee saying about her and the way she was dressed he probably deemed her to be a Jezebel and quite frankly, i don't think he is far from the truth. All that stuff at the beginning of today's about how she is 'allowed' to dress to tempt him otherwise it isn't a far fight.

She is knowing no respect to Jack or his religion so why should another representative of that religion show her respect?”

They very fact that she even said that about "a fair fight" shows just how immature and selfish she really is. She is basically wanting Jack to change all his values and beliefs for her just because she wants hervown way. Look how she behaved over Mark and Steph getting together. Also how she played a hand in the breakdown of Brad and Terese's marriage. The only person Paige cares about is herself and her own wants and desires.
clever3000
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Neighbours is treating a very serious subject far too lightly - but the Neighbours is never very good at dealing with serious subjects.”

Well i think that Dougs Alzheimer's was a very good way of dealing with a very serious disease, they did very well with it and it was very well portrayed by Terence Donovan.
B*witched
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by SecretLifeoBees:
“If the Neighbours Facebook page is anything to go by there are hell of a lot of people both religious and non-religious offended by this storyline. The most common points raised seem to be
1. The disrespect being shown to the church and people of faith by implying their beliefs are easily swayed.
2. The disrespect being shown towards Jack by Paige.
3. Paige's constant displays of desperation.

I hope they have him remain in the church. Has Neighbours had a regular character as a man of the cloth at all? Plus it would show Paige she can't always get what she wants. Knowing Paige she will probably make a play for Father Vincent instead ”

I can understand people being offended by this storyline. On the one hand it's meant to be entertainment, but not at the expense of making light of someone's religious beliefs. As a person who was raised Christian, I can't say I'm offended as such, there's always some kind of dramatic licence given with most storylines, but the casual attitudes of some of the characters just isn't sitting right with me just the same.

Paige is like a kid with a shiny new toy, 'I want it and I'm going to stamp my feet until I get it' attitude. Does she think Jack's religious beliefs are mysteriously going to vanish once she gets her man? The bigger picture if Jack did chose to leave the priesthood, and if the writers stuck to any kind of believability, would be that Jack continued to be involved in the church and kept his beliefs but knowing soaps, the writers would probably downplay that side of him until it was needed for some kind of plot device. It's so wrong to portray religion as something that can be picked up and dropped at will. And I can hardly see Paige as the go-to-church-on-Sunday type of person, I don't think she's religious at all. Not that she has to be, but she's shown no interest in getting to know that side of Jack apart from telling her mum she was going to read a few pages of the Bible to try to get to know Jack better.

I thought Father Vincent was rather rude to Paige even if she did need telling off. He probably did get the wrong impression of her from what Jack was telling him but he doesn't know Paige and I didn't like that he judged her so quickly.

Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“The thing that keeps striking me which i hate is the way people (not just Paige but others including Aaron) keep saying that he's not with the Church 'at the moment'. As though it is some kind of 'free pass' 'what happens in Erinsborough, stays in Erinsborough', 'stag weekend' deal where if he does regret sleeping with Paige, or the relationship doesn't work, no harm will be done and he can just skip back to being a Priest with a clear conscience. Hmmm no, he would still have broken his vows and he wouldn't be able to forget that, even if the church were willing to turn a blind eye. Or do they assume he would just keep quiet about it?
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This exactly! Brad and Lauren should be telling Paige loud and clear to back off but they're not. Aaron's acting like it's just some normal boyfriend/girlfriend relationship 'wink wink nudge nudge' get her into bed and everything will be fine. None of them seem to have a clue, and I didn't blame Jack for being upset by Aaron's inappropriate comments.

Originally Posted by mrs.deschanel:
“I think Piper is being written badly too. She wasn't this bratty child who needed her own way all of the time before nor did she constantly go off in a strop with her bum stuck out. She was a bit edgy (if you consider wearing 90s clothes edgy) and has now gone to full on spoilt little tart trying to get Tyler into bed. Paige has always been a spoiled princess but she's gone way too far with this Jack thing. The priesthood is a vocation - it's Jack's whole life. It's not something he can walk away from lightly because he's seen Paige's norks or she's wearing a tarty frock (which looked like a cross between a parachute and a tent). She seems to be taking it on as a challenge because she wants him so has to have him. She was never this bad before and even showed some vulnerability and empathy with the Michelle/Tomato storyline. The writers are poor at the moment with all younger females. Steph is still strong, Sonya still ditzy, Susan still a busybody who cares for others, Amy still tough but a weird mother to evil Jimmy etc. so why ruin Paige, Piper and Xanthe? Xanthe was showing more than dim celeb obsessed irritant - where's that gone? What happened to her learning difficulties? She needs more depth.”

Well tbf he didn't actually see Paige's norks did he?

I liked Piper when she first came to RS, as you say she was edgy and seemed like she was going to be pretty cool young character but this storyline with Tyler has turned her into a selfish little brat who will do anything including lying to her parents and sneak around behind their backs just because they disapprove of the boy she's desperate to be with. Xanthe's behaviour hasn't been much better, the whole money theft storyline was written as though she and the others should be let off with just a slap on the writst.
PigsMightFly
07-07-2016
Originally Posted by Tellystar:
“Madison reminds me of a Barbie doll, and she is so vacuous
There is nothing in her eyes and seems to have only one expression”

It's her first acting job which is evident. When they have her acting alongside talented actors like Stefan Dennis it really shows her weakness as an actress. Hopefully she'll improve with experience.
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