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Old 07-07-2016, 21:05
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With Paige and Jack, it's not that they're doing the plot. Whilst some devout Catholics might find the topic unseemly for an entertainments show, I think most people are pragmatic enough to understand that Priests are still human, they probably will waver in their vocation at some stage, they almost certainly will feel a sexual attraction to somebody at some stage and yes, some will act on it and either keep it a secret or leave the Priesthood because of it.

Featuring that is not offensive in itself.

It is the flippant way in which it is being treated by virtually every character in the show. If it was just Paige talking about 'fair fights' and 'dressing to impress' and how "once he's been with me, he'll never go back" it could just be written off as either her lust (because it is lust, not love, how can you love somebody you don't really know) over riding her sense or morals (let's face it, that happens a lot with extra marital affairs) or just that she has no understanding of what being a Priest means. That would be fair enough, we're an increasingly secular society, a lot of people won't really understand the concept.

But, everybody around her is encouraging her and if they are voicing caution at all, it is over how she will get hurt. Not that what she is doing is morally wrong and could well destroy jack's life, both in terms of his 'job' and his spiritual well being. He might never be able to come to terms with the guilt he'll feel for breaking his vow of celibacy if he does it before he is absolutely sure.

The only person 'putting the other side' is Fsather Vincent - who was rather judgemental and cruel to Paige on first meeting.

Whiich makes me think they've done it on purpose, to show Church as 'bad' and true love with a woman as 'good'.

I don't know, maybe i've thought too much about this.

The other thing, as somebody else said, even if he decides the pull of the flesh is too much so leave the Priesthood, he probably won't lose his faith or belief completely and want to be involved with the Church. I also can't imagine her being happy at him constantly rushing off to help somebody in need. Also, would he be okay with sex before marriage? Probably not.
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Old 07-07-2016, 21:29
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Someone high five Paige in the face!
Yes, that as well
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Old 07-07-2016, 21:33
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The only person 'putting the other side' is Fsather Vincent - who was rather judgemental and cruel to Paige on first meeting.

Whiich makes me think they've done it on purpose, to show Church as 'bad' and true love with a woman as 'good'.
Personally i feel what Father Vincent said to Paige needed to be said. But it should not have been said by a priest.

Surely a priest should be objective and to come out with a comment that he made was just very out of sorts. However Father Vincent seems to be an interesting character and one that i would like to see more of. The Lucas and Vanessa mention was very nice to see as of course Father Vincent was last on 4 years ago when Vanessa's mother was paying her a visit.
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Old 07-07-2016, 21:50
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Personally i feel what Father Vincent said to Paige needed to be said. But it should not have been said by a priest.

Surely a priest should be objective and to come out with a comment that he made was just very out of sorts. However Father Vincent seems to be an interesting character and one that i would like to see more of. The Lucas and Vanessa mention was very nice to see as of course Father Vincent was last on 4 years ago when Vanessa's mother was paying her a visit.
I agree.

I don't actually have an issue with what he said as the fact is that she has been deliberately setting out to tempt and seduce what is actually a vulnerable young man all along - back when he was amnesiac (hard to think of a situation that would leave somebody more vulnerable) even though he kept begging her to back off as he wasn't in a position to start a relationship and he felt something was 'wrong' and since she has learnt of his vocation and again he is begging for time and space.

All this whilst insisting that she is his friend, will do as he asks, understands but acting hurt and laying a guilt trip on him everytime he 'rejects' her - even though he has always made it clear why he can't move forwards with her.

And she is doing it because of what she wants.

So, his summation of her was spot on, but he hasn't met her before so can't know all this so it did just come across as judgemental, nasty, vicious and almost as though he has an 'old testament' view of all women as being nothing but whores or temptresses who will only lead 'good men' astray.

And yes, it shouldn't be a Priest doing it. I'm not sure i'd expect him t be objective as such but he should at least be kind and recognise that it is difficult for her and perhaps gently talk to her about how difficult this is for Jack and that she is making it worse for him. Somebody closer to her should have been saying it as well. But the trouble is, poaige takes any indication that Jack is finding it difficult as evidence that she is 'winning' so encourages her to out more pressure on, not steo back. As long as she sees it as a 'fight' where jack is the prize, she'll continue.

I might be wrong but i have a vague recollection of Pam being a Catholic so it might have been good to have her around for this storyline and different perspective.
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Old 07-07-2016, 23:09
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That priest who talked to Paige at the end of yesterday's episode was a complete prat. Just because Paige decided to fight for him, the older one thought it would be a good idea to try and completely insult her. Jack's a far better fella than the older priest is. The older one's a nasty piece of work.
No he did not think it was a good idea to insult her. He gave her a stearn warning, there is a difference. Maybe had Paige not acted like a desperate slapper he may have spoke to her in a better manner.
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Old 08-07-2016, 08:11
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I love how that sexy cleaning service has photos of all the girls dressed as what look like regular maids, just with high heels. There doesn't seem to be the slightest thing sexy about them at all.
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Old 08-07-2016, 10:43
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Personally i feel what Father Vincent said to Paige needed to be said. But it should not have been said by a priest.

Surely a priest should be objective and to come out with a comment that he made was just very out of sorts. However Father Vincent seems to be an interesting character and one that i would like to see more of. The Lucas and Vanessa mention was very nice to see as of course Father Vincent was last on 4 years ago when Vanessa's mother was paying her a visit.
AS he met her in full Scarlet Woman mode, her intentions to JAck perfectly clear, you can hardly blame him for saying what he did!
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Old 08-07-2016, 12:40
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Can't face this week's episodes! Will tune in again when Elly arrives, she looks promising.
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Old 08-07-2016, 13:13
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Can't face this week's episodes! Will tune in again when Elly arrives, she looks promising.
I feel your pain. My skip button has been in overdrive and I sometime don't watch until the weekend.
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Old 08-07-2016, 13:50
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What annoys me about Paige is that she really does not love Jack, she just WANTS him. To love someone you have to know them, but she doesn't know him at all. She doesn't want to hear about his faith, a huge part of who is is, because that does not fit in with her agenda.

She is aghast that a man would even consider putting his faith/vocation before her! I am not religious at all but I respect those that are and would never try to undermine someone's faith as she is doing. She thinks that all she has to do is get him into bed and he will forget all about God. It doesn't work that way as far as I know!!

He may well leave the priesthood if he decides that that life is not right for him anymore but I really really hope he does not do so because Paige gets her wicked way with him and then he can't live without her. Can you imagine how smug she will be then??
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Old 08-07-2016, 13:53
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[quote=Collins1965;83084697]What annoys me about Paige is that she really does not love Jack, she just WANTS him. To love someone you have to know them, but she doesn't know him at all. She doesn't want to hear about his faith, a huge part of who is is, because that does not fit in with her agenda.

She is aghast that a man would even consider putting his faith/vocation before her! I am not religious at all but I respect those that are and would never try to undermine someone's faith as she is doing. She thinks that all she has to do is get him into bed and he will forget all about God. It doesn't work that way as far as I know!!

He may well leave the priesthood if he decides that that life is not right for him anymore but I really really hope he does not do so because Paige gets her wicked way with him and then he can't live without her. Can you imagine how smug she will be then??[/QUOTE]
I don't know if she's someone who is usually smug. Perhaps she would just be happy. However, I don't think that compromise would make him happy at all.
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Old 08-07-2016, 13:59
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Its a shame about Paige's character - she started off so well and now she is just a selfish slapper. Can i steer the convo back to Piper and Tyler just for a sec? As a mum myself I would not betoo happy if some 23 year old guy wanted to go out with my 16 year old daughter. I would not 'forbid' it per se however I would have to get the guy on his own and ask him what he sees in a 16 year old girl, when he has dated women his own age.....
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:03
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yes the Piper/Tyler thing is not good. As a mum I would not want some 23 year old guy hitting on my 16 year old daughter - why would he find her attractive? syas a lot about him and didn't he have the hots for Paige before?
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:05
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The 'Actress' who plays Madison is so bad I'm embarrased for her!
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:06
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yes the Piper/Tyler thing is not good. As a mum I would not want some 23 year old guy hitting on my 16 year old daughter - why would he find her attractive? syas a lot about him and didn't he have the hots for Paige before?
Yes, and Imogen. Perhaps he's after a full family collection.
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:13
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Neighbours is so saucy these days! I think I'm stuck in the 80s! Paige topless in the pool probably wouldn't happen in any of our soaps!
I haven't watched much in the past few weeks so can someone tell me what room Brad and Lauren were sat in when she asked him if he was coming back to bed near the start of the program. It looked to be a real room rather than a set but couldn't figure it out!
Also Paige in full on ballgown mode for a daytime backyard bbq just to tempt Jack was hilarious! She must've phoned Mary for fashion advice!
Its not as bad as H & A, who are just driven by sex storylines and everyone under the age of 30 is extremely good looking.

If Tyler was entirely comfortable with the relationship he wouldn't asking advice from schoolboy Ben or a priest. He must have major doubts as it is. I did chuckle when he was buying her a graphic novel - maybe he could throw in a comic, colouring book and some crayons too. I can't see him with

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I love your comment on Elly!! The problem with Neighbours (and Home and Away), they do not credit good looking men with any intelligence - all biceps and vest tops..............
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:19
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With Paige and Jack, it's not that they're doing the plot. Whilst some devout Catholics might find the topic unseemly for an entertainments show, I think most people are pragmatic enough to understand that Priests are still human, they probably will waver in their vocation at some stage, they almost certainly will feel a sexual attraction to somebody at some stage and yes, some will act on it and either keep it a secret or leave the Priesthood because of it.

Featuring that is not offensive in itself.

It is the flippant way in which it is being treated by virtually every character in the show. If it was just Paige talking about 'fair fights' and 'dressing to impress' and how "once he's been with me, he'll never go back" it could just be written off as either her lust (because it is lust, not love, how can you love somebody you don't really know) over riding her sense or morals (let's face it, that happens a lot with extra marital affairs) or just that she has no understanding of what being a Priest means. That would be fair enough, we're an increasingly secular society, a lot of people won't really understand the concept.

But, everybody around her is encouraging her and if they are voicing caution at all, it is over how she will get hurt. Not that what she is doing is morally wrong and could well destroy jack's life, both in terms of his 'job' and his spiritual well being. He might never be able to come to terms with the guilt he'll feel for breaking his vow of celibacy if he does it before he is absolutely sure.

The only person 'putting the other side' is Fsather Vincent - who was rather judgemental and cruel to Paige on first meeting.

Whiich makes me think they've done it on purpose, to show Church as 'bad' and true love with a woman as 'good'.

I don't know, maybe i've thought too much about this.

The other thing, as somebody else said, even if he decides the pull of the flesh is too much so leave the Priesthood, he probably won't lose his faith or belief completely and want to be involved with the Church. I also can't imagine her being happy at him constantly rushing off to help somebody in need. Also, would he be okay with sex before marriage? Probably not.
No i don't think you are over thinking it at all - I thought the same thing to be honest. Also i have noticed that Brad, who is the worst father/partner in the world is never pulled up for the fact he has five kids by three different women and each time he has left one woman for another!!
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:23
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I've only caught the end of today's but was really laughing at Piper thinking a week would make a difference as to Terese being okay with her going to the formal with Tyler. And of course it would be a 'date' rather than friends. Even as friends, why would Terese trust them when their friendship over the last coupld of months has already developed into romantic feelings.

Also Piper's ultimatum of "then i won't go at all". Why would that bother Terese? Piper effectively grounding herself for the night!
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:24
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She's only just 16 and he is 24. Paige wasn't still at school
It is a big deal - jeez if some 24 year old came sniffing around my 16 year old daughter I would not like it.. I grant you when Piper's name was first mentioned in Neighbours you were given the impression she was older than 16. I think the writers realised that if she was older than the twins she would have had to have been born when Brad was still with beth. Anyway I would really like to know why a 24 year old would find a 16 year old girl attractive?
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:27
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We have some returnees -

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Old 08-07-2016, 14:33
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But all she cares about is social media, the Kardashians, Ben taking her to the formal etc. She is so bland!
I think the writers are trying to tell us she is a product of her environment. Its been mentioned her mother is vain and insensitive and her dad has been absent, so Xanthe thinks all she is worth is what she looks like, and she is not very clever (although I am surprised susan hasn't questioned if she may have a learning difficulty ). There was a great line the other day when piper asked her if her remark was a euphomism and she said ' a eurpho what?' - did make me smile, although NO young girl should aspire to be a Xanthe!
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Old 08-07-2016, 14:54
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I have to agree with the comments about Paige. Though, I've never liked her character, she's always been really annoying to me.

As with comments about Tyler and Piper, I agree. Glad I am not the only one who is uncomfortable with this story line. She's a child and he's in his 20s, what are the writers thinking. I hope they dissolve this story-line quickly.

I didn't even watch Neighbours yesterday because of these two storylines. And, it seems particularly dull at the moment. I really miss the humor of Neighbours, I hope if the writers read such threads, they will inject some much needed comical moments into the show. Neighbours has always had that, this year it's really been lacking it.

There's no real story line anywhere else at the moment, I think that is what makes it worse. Hopefully thinks improve!
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Old 08-07-2016, 15:29
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Also I agree with the comments about Paige, particularly the thoughtful post by soulgirl47. The characters around Paige seem to think that Jack could just shrug off his vows because of her and that would be OK and that is giving him and his beliefs no respect at all.

My fast-forward button is on over-drive at the moment with Madison, the "sexy" cleaning story, Paige and Tyler/Piper and I have noticed that suddenly people are calling her "Pipes" - is this new or have I had a mind block?

Here's hoping it will pick up soon.
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Old 08-07-2016, 15:33
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The 'Actress' who plays Madison is so bad I'm embarrased for her!
Tbf it is her 1st acting job, she was more or less a vlogger before. So i guess she just needs time.
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Old 08-07-2016, 17:21
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Yes, the actress playing Madison is awful, but I still can't help but like her. Neighbours gives their younger cast training on the job don't they? Sure I have seen it on some Neighbours behind the scenes thing before. Maybe she will get better over time as she learns rhe craft more. If not we can always start a "FFS....Get rid of...." thread
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