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Neighbours - Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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Jimmy Skitz
12-07-2016
Ok if Amy and Paul do the Stan and Kyle routine that would be epic
Madge
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“Not for me

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I've always thought he should be with Paige
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Me too, he's been in love with her for ages God help him
SpiderMan 83
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Get Den Watts:
“He's like Kenny from South Park. Every episode he gets killed but he's back the next day, safe and well.”

Originally Posted by Madge:
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Me too, he's been in love with her for ages God help him
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Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“Not for me

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I've always thought he should be with Paige
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Not sure they will happen as a
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Couple anytime soon
we all know who ahe will be put with.
zx50
12-07-2016
Piper's now furious with her parents because of their refusal, or Terese's refusal, to allow him to accompany her to the formal, which has resulted in him breaking up with her. Belinda wanting to get back with Steph is becoming more noticeable and Steph looks to be slowly moving towards her as well. It looks like Paul's revenge on Mark could end up being successful.
Jayma
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Eleanor_Cameron:
“I do agree with you kitkat, this storyline is valid but has been treated very badly. Paige is fickle to the extreme, the way she (and others) belittle Jack's faith and chosen way of life is unbelievably flippant. What would he see in her, about from the surface attraction? She has no understanding or care for the deeper meaning in his life.And why does it always seem like an all-or-nothing Paige vs God battle - if he does decide to leave the priesthood he could certainly retain his relationship with God no matter what else he does.

I'm not a Catholic (although I am a follower of Jesus, aka Christian) and also find that in general Neighbours portrays Christians pretty badly, they are usually judgemental, see things in black and white and usually their roles only have any longevity because they have lost their faith and left their church. I wouldn't expect Neighbours to manage to portray the amazing joy and peace that I've found comes from exploring who Jesus is, but it also doesn't show anything of the fantastic community shared by members of a church. It basically just exacerbates the bad things that Christians have come to be, sadly, known for.

Anyway like others I have loved Neighbours for too long to give up on it just for these reasons but it is frustrating!”

Welcome to DS

Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I do feel sorry for Piper - it's really hard at any age to be in love (and no matter how long it lasts and is maybe proved to be more transient than that, she feels it is love right now) and not be able to be with the person - firstly because they say no (as Tyler did months ago) and then because others are saying no. I get that she must feel it is very unfair.

But...there are legitimate concerns, her parents views should be respected and the way she has reacted to every setback has just proved that their concerns were justified and she isn't mature enough for a serious relationship.

So glad Brad said what we many on her have been saying and that Tyler also made clear how wrong her actions have been and it has made him think twice about continuing, not because of Terese and Brad's disapproval, but because he isn't sure he wants to be with her.

Then again at episode end she throws a tantrum. No, Piper, Tyler has not dumped you because of Brad and Terese, he has dumped you because of you.”

Typical Neighbours irony to show B*** and Terese finally agreeing to allow Piper some leeway and trust her to show her maturity....seconds before she rocks up and throws an almighty tantrum! Great going, Piper. There's no way I'd ever go back to being a teenager!

Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Not long to go now! She's involved somehow in the dreaded Formal!

Anyone remember the last one, and Kate's 'dancing'?”

You just had to go there, didn't you?! All together now....twirl...lift hat....twirl...replace hat....twirl...
Madge
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jayma:
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You just had to go there, didn't you?! All together now....twirl...lift hat....twirl...replace hat....twirl...”

You forgot the bit where she did that thing where it looked like someone punched her in the stomach
lobeydosser
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“Not for me

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I've always thought he should be with Paige
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Same here! A much more believable pairing!
lobeydosser
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Towie1977:
“Piper is the stand out actress of the show at the moment. Its a credit to her that she is making her character believable even though she's being written much less mature now than she was before. Its almost like they're making her younger in her behaviour to emphasise the age gap with Tyler.

I'm interested to see what happens with Steph and Belinda. I predict Mark is going to do whatever he can to run her out of town. A good twist would be Steph launching into a torrid affair with Belinda, this would keep Mark on his toes. It's good that Neighbours is tackling same sex/bi attraction without making it sensational. It makes to Aussie beach soap rival look positively stuck in the dark ages on this score.”

I really hope Paul's evil plan doesn't work. Steph is happy with Mark - she was not happy with Belinda, and Belinda did quite a bit of messing with Steph's head- her own was in a mess as well!

Paul still hasn't realised that Mark was the one who ultimately set him free - despite being threatened by his superior officers! This plan of his is evil and takes no account of how it might affect Steph. Sorry, but I really hope it doesn't work - Paul is practically paying her to split them up and that is not good. I hope Steph finds out!

PAul is rotten!
SpiderMan 83
12-07-2016
This Paul revenge thing is tedious already. It is just going back in circles. Tbh if Mark and Steph are solid they will stay together regardless. I just think we are going back to same old Paul again.
fiagomez
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Same here! A much more believable pairing!”

and here!! much more believable....
Deschanel
12-07-2016
Some good scenes today: Sonya/Mark, and all the Mark/Steph ones, especially her telling him she doesn't do possessive boyfriends.

So glad the hit & run driver was not Belinda. Wonder who it is? Probably a random character like, Dustin.

Paul meddling in Steph's life must mean he really cares about her; he only ever meddles like this with his kids and (some) ex-wives. But why is he always surprised when they turn on him and don't thank him for interfering? He's so egotistical.

I'd really like to see Steph and Belinda give it ago. I think it would be great seeing a female same sex couple on the show, and a good way of showing Belinda working through her paranoia issues.

A long overdue scene explaining Paige is an Atheist, which is why she doesn't understand Jack's commitment to God. Lauren also seemed less of a talking head, but still a bit non commital with Paige's questions.
lobeydosser
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“Some good scenes today: Sonya/Mark, and all the Mark/Steph ones, especially her telling him she doesn't do possessive boyfriends.

So glad the hit & run driver was not Belinda. Wonder who it is? Probably a random character like, Dustin.

Paul meddling in Steph's life must mean he really cares about her; he only ever meddles like this with his kids and (some) ex-wives. But why is he always surprised when they turn on him and don't thank him for interfering? He's so egotistical.

I'd really like to see Steph and Belinda give it ago. I think it would be great seeing a female same sex couple on the show, and a good way of showing Belinda working through her paranoia issues.

A long overdue scene explaining Paige is an Atheist, which is why she doesn't understand Jack's commitment to God. Lauren also seemed less of a talking head, but still a bit non commital with Paige's questions.”

Paul is meddling because he cares about himself, not Steph. I hope she and Mark stick together and she tells Belinda to back off. As Spiderman83 said above, Paul's revenge is already getting boring. He still hasn't credited Mark with getting him out of jail - but he's not a big enough man to do they - he'd rather plan one of his sordid little manipulations. He doesn't care about Steph and he's using Belinda so he doesn't care about her either. The best thing she could do is get her registration out of him and move on. Steph has - and good luck to her, and Mark.
soulgirl47
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“Some good scenes today: Sonya/Mark, and all the Mark/Steph ones, especially her telling him she doesn't do possessive boyfriends.

So glad the hit & run driver was not Belinda. Wonder who it is? Probably a random character like, Dustin.

Paul meddling in Steph's life must mean he really cares about her; he only ever meddles like this with his kids and (some) ex-wives. But why is he always surprised when they turn on him and don't thank him for interfering? He's so egotistical.

I'd really like to see Steph and Belinda give it ago. I think it would be great seeing a female same sex couple on the show, and a good way of showing Belinda working through her paranoia issues.

A long overdue scene explaining Paige is an Atheist, which is why she doesn't understand Jack's commitment to God. Lauren also seemed less of a talking head, but still a bit non commital with Paige's questions.”

I don't think the writers will have Steph and Belinda together - they have already portrayed Belinda as a bit unhinged and possessive and didn't they meet when steph was in Jail? and while she was recovering from a breakdown. No they are not going to go there. I get fed up with the 'teen angst' storylines - maybe its because i have a 13 year old lol!! Anyway hopefully this Tyler/Piper borefest will be over soon.
Peter_Gazzard
12-07-2016
I hope Paige won't be too hard on Jack when he explains his absence,she probably will though,Lack of empathy is one of her flaws,shame really as I like her
SecretLifeoBees
12-07-2016
I reached almost Paige levels of smugness when Mark was proved wrong thinking Belinda ran over Jimmy.

Paul really should have learnt by now the people he 'cares about' never take kindly to his interference. Although with Mark and Steph I think Mark is doing a pretty good job himself of destroying their relationship.
Dr K Noisewater
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Steph had never shown any signs of being anything other than straight before. Belinda took advantage of a vulnerable person but I don't think Steph was particularly happy with her. I hope she doesn't split Steph and Mark and that Steph finds out about Paul's evil plan - he's doing it to get at Mark, not to make Steph happy! After all, what success has Paul had in his relationships, to be manipulating others? He still blames Mark for Kate's death, yet I seem to remember the shooting was a revenge against Paul - so he was ultimately responsible, not Mark. Also, it was Mark's doggedness that led to Paul finally being freed - he is not a big enough man to accept that!

In fact, he is a pathetic little worm who uses his money to fund petty acts of revenge instead of examining his own behaviour. I hope the whole Belinda thing blows up in his face and Steph finds out that he is still evil!

BTW, ,has he kept Doug's money as part of his revenge against Drab?”

I agree. I wouldn't label Steph as being bisexual, as you say she never showed any signs of being interested in women during all the years she was onscreen before going to prison. When Steph returned she was mentally unstable and this Belinda woman was very controlling and manipulative of her and Steph was obviously very vulnerable. The way I viewed it was Belinda had taken advantage of Steph and formed a 'relationship' with her when she wasn't capable of making her own decisions. Belinda was her nurse and Steph was mentally ill. What Belinda has done is disgusting.
lobeydosser
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Dr K Noisewater:
“I agree. I wouldn't label Steph as being bisexual, as you say she never showed any signs of being interested in women during all the years she was onscreen before going to prison. When Steph returned she was mentally unstable and this Belinda woman was very controlling and manipulative of her and Steph was obviously very vulnerable. The way I viewed it was Belinda had taken advantage of Steph and formed a 'relationship' with her when she wasn't capable of making her own decisions. Belinda was her nurse and Steph was mentally ill. What Belinda has done is disgusting.”

It is - which makes what Paul is doing equally disgusting.
vixki
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by Dr K Noisewater:
“I agree. I wouldn't label Steph as being bisexual, as you say she never showed any signs of being interested in women during all the years she was onscreen before going to prison. When Steph returned she was mentally unstable and this Belinda woman was very controlling and manipulative of her and Steph was obviously very vulnerable. The way I viewed it was Belinda had taken advantage of Steph and formed a 'relationship' with her when she wasn't capable of making her own decisions. Belinda was her nurse and Steph was mentally ill. What Belinda has done is disgusting.”

Neighbors seems to be running a lot of these kind of stories lately, and portraying them in a weird way. Belinda isn't seen as wrong for taking advantage of an unwell Steph, Tyler isn't seen as wrong for dating a schoolkid, Paige isn't seen as wrong for trying to seduce a man who clearly doesn't want it. These SLs could be played out completely the opposite - with Belinda/Tyler/Paige being shunned or at least disliked for their actions by the community. But instead it's all fine and dandy?

I know friends who've been in mental hospital and I'd be horrified to find their nurses made advances on them. I'm a little younger than Tyler and I can't imagine if one of my friends started dating someone still doing their GCSEs/equivalent they'd be anything but ridiculed. And as for the religion thing...I know plenty of people have not much time for religion, but if you cared about someone that much, you'd respect their beliefs right?

I feel like I want Karl to waltz in and tell Belinda her nursing licence can get stuffed, Susan to tell Tyler to keep his hands off the children, and Lauren to stand up to her daughter and tell her to leave poor Jack alone.
lobeydosser
12-07-2016
Originally Posted by vixki:
“Neighbors seems to be running a lot of these kind of stories lately, and portraying them in a weird way. Belinda isn't seen as wrong for taking advantage of an unwell Steph, Tyler isn't seen as wrong for dating a schoolkid, Paige isn't seen as wrong for trying to seduce a man who clearly doesn't want it. These SLs could be played out completely the opposite - with Belinda/Tyler/Paige being shunned or at least disliked for their actions by the community. But instead it's all fine and dandy?

I know friends who've been in mental hospital and I'd be horrified to find their nurses made advances on them. I'm a little younger than Tyler and I can't imagine if one of my friends started dating someone still doing their GCSEs/equivalent they'd be anything but ridiculed. And as for the religion thing...I know plenty of people have not much time for religion, but if you cared about someone that much, you'd respect their beliefs right?

I feel like I want Karl to waltz in and tell Belinda her nursing licence can get stuffed, Susan to tell Tyler to keep his hands off the children, and Lauren to stand up to her daughter and tell her to leave poor Jack alone
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Good on you,Vixki! Belinda was very unprofessional and Toadie was all ready to 'do' her for it - so why is he now taking money of Paul to get her licence back? She was practically stalking Steph at one point!

Why did she lose her licence anyway? I know it was something dodgy but can't remember the details.
Deschanel
12-07-2016
Tyler isn't a predictor, nor is he being portrayed as one. I get that some people are creeped out by it, but I think they have written Tyler in the right way to show that he isn't a sexual predator preying on teenage girls. I don't think they are condoning it, as Brad and Terese certainly aren't, and Ben had reservations, too. I think the whole point of the story is to ask if it is morally wrong for Tyler to date a 16 year old. They have shown that he does really like her, and judging from what people are saying, not everyone thinks it's wrong. Not every story should be written in black and white, and I like that this is a grey area and creates debate.

I think it's way too easy to label Steph as bi. Sexuality isn't necessarily fixed; she's what I would call sexually fluid. Personally, I view sexuality as being on a spectrum. Whether or not Belinda took advantage of her is debatable - the show has written it as being two people who clicked and then fell in love, mentioning how nothing happened until Steph was released - but at best she didn't do anything to rebuff her or Steph's feelings. Besides, even if Belinda did take advantage of Steph, it's not like she could make Steph want to be with her unless she really did have feelings for her. We saw what Steph was like after she was released, and she was in full control.

ETA: Belinda lost her licence due to her relationship with Steph. Conducting a sexual relationship with a former patient is forbidden.

Paige is selfish, but they have done a poor job of writing her with any kind of character. Her not believing in God should be a major hurdle and one that should have been mentioned weeks ago to highlight her lack of understanding of Jack's faith.

Paul does care about Steph, but his brand of caring has always been a selfish one. We saw how he meddled in Daniel's, Andrew's, Elle's, Rebecca's and Declan's, Gail's, Izzy's, and Amy's lives and all from a place of care, which is always motivated by his own selfish ideals of what he thinks is best for those he cares about. That's how Paul works. If he didn't care, he wouldn't interfere.
kitkat1971
12-07-2016
I agree with everything Deschanel said.

I don't think that Tyler is a predator. I think they have done everything they possibly could throughout the whole storyline to show him trying to keep a distance from Piper because he knows she is too young but it being hard because he does like her and he hasn't wanted to hurt her, especially when she'd been recently bereaved.

If anything, as i said a couple of months ago, Piper has been portrayed as the chaser (i won't use the term predatory) - continually gooing round to his house, garage and finding ways of spending time with him (teaching her to drive when there were at least half a dozen other people she could have asked like her parents or siblings, saying he could make up for keeping quiet about having been in the boiler room by being her 'date' for Imogen's wedding) and then showing her hurt if he tried to back off. She hasn in my opinion, been emotionally manipulative for months to get to spend time with him and encourage him, and now she's actually lying to him to make him think it is approved.

Yes, it is a grey area and they are showing some of the real issues - i hope.

Sexuality is fluid and it is on a spectrum - we all have male and female chromozones and that effects who we find attractive. Also, there can just be the basic need for human contact and comfort (and sometimes sexual release) from anybody available which is why many people that would never consider themselves bisexual, or even bicurious will enter into a sexual relationship with a member of the same sex in certain confined conditions - like Prison, Hospital or even Boarding school.

I do think that is partly what has happened with Steph. The sexual relationship might not have started until after Steph was released, but their connection and affection started whilst she was in an inmate of the Psych unit where Belinda was working.

Paige didn't even say she was Atheist, just that God 'might not exist'. Which makes her agnostic - same as me.

Difference is, whilst I could not devote my life to an entity that might not exist, i understand that others do have that belief and i respect it. If God is real to them, then that is it.

She is just selfish.
zx50
13-07-2016
I see Mark let his jealousy get in the way of how he did his job. He obviously hasn't learned from trying to get Paul locked up and his treatment of him until he got locked up. I think Jack has a cheek telling Paige that she only thinks of herself when he caught her kissing that other lad. How long does he expect her to wait? He's basically stringing her along. It's a bit like when a married fella on TV says that he'll eventually leave his wife every time he starts getting dressed to go. Paige needs to start looking for someone else, or give up waiting for Jack to be with her. She's waited long enough. Start living your life again Paige. I hope Paige tells Jack where to get off in the next episode.
Towie1977
13-07-2016
Tyler is in no way a predator. He's never taken advantage of Piper, he's always been really respectful. I think its being very well handled by the show. I don't know if they should get together long term though, I would rather see Typer get together with someone like Madison. Piper has a lot of growing up to do.
Collins1965
13-07-2016
I would like Tyler and Piper to get together in a year or two if they are still in the show but not now she is still too immature.
lobeydosser
13-07-2016
Originally Posted by zx50:
“I see Mark let his jealousy get in the way of how he did his job. He obviously hasn't learned from trying to get Paul locked up and his treatment of him until he got locked up. I think Jack has a cheek telling Paige that she only thinks of herself when he caught her kissing that other lad. How long does he expect her to wait? He's basically stringing her along. It's a bit like when a married fella on TV says that he'll eventually leave his wife every time he starts getting dressed to go. Paige needs to start looking for someone else, or give up waiting for Jack to be with her. She's waited long enough. Start living your life again Paige. I hope Paige tells Jack where to get off in the next episode.”

Mark is understandably a bit jealous but the car had to be checked out.


I keep reminding people that it was Mark who got Paul released in the end - through the same doggedness. Admittedly there were very few grounds for suspecting any of the 'suspects' but there was a stronger case for Paul than anybody else. And this is Neighbours.

MArk was taken off the case before the trial, but when he began to think Paul was innocent he did not give up, despite being threatened by his superior officer. Paul has not acknowledged that! And don't let's forget that Paul blamed Mark for Kate being shot, even though that was a revenge against Paul -so he was responsible ultimately.

And JAck isn't stringing Paige along. He has not slept with her and he has a hard decision to make, which Paige is not respecting
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She'll fall into bed with Tyler soon anyway (or fall into pool!)
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