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Neighbours - Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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TORPIDO 1
19-07-2016
Accordingly to varying sources Ely Conway was in neighbours in 2001 and 2002
Steve Soapbox
19-07-2016
Really enjoyed today's episode of Neighbours, it seemed to have an energy to it and loads going on with all the characters having a truthful motivation. It seemed organic for once, whereas most times it all seems forced. Even Brad's behaviour seemed naturally motivated.

And Elly seems like a force to be reckoned with. Putting her against Piper is interesting.

Am I the only one liking the Tyler/Piper romance? I think it's about time Neighbours explored complex/grey area plots and this seems a natural fit for the show. The show needs to be mature and respect its older viewers; I don't know of many teenagers who watch the show now.
laineythenomad
19-07-2016
Just watched today's ep and I have two words:

GO XANTHE!!
SecretLifeoBees
19-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Wow, Piper really doesn't learn does she and has no self awareness.

It's fine for her to upload anything she wants to slagging people off (Tyler, Courtney, Tim Collins, now Elly) whether true or not but she is resenting being the subject of gossip or vitriol on Social Media as a consequence of her actions.

Piper, a woman talking to, or even flirting, with a man in a bar is not inappropriate behaviour - teacher or not.

Her flirting with a 16 year old, would have been, especially if they are a pupil.

She actually expects Ben to ignore his second cousin who he lives with? Incredible.

Why don't Brad and Terese take the phone and laptop away from the little brat?

So glad Xanthe called her on always taking it back to her and that she hadn't even apologized for ruining the dress.”

Nothing more to add to this. Pretty much all my thoughts. So glad Xanthe gave her what for. She was right about everything having to always be about Piper.
Madge
19-07-2016
I actually thought Xanthe was very restrained.
Towie1977
19-07-2016
Another excellent performance eppy from Piper. I loved the scene in Harold's where Elly tried to smooth things over all for appearances sake. I really felt for Piper even though she only has herself to blame for everything that has befallen her.

Good to see the school has finally had a makeover to. It has been long overdue. I don't know if its my computer screen but the show is a lot brighter nowadays. It feels a lot more cheerful.
SpiderMan 83
19-07-2016
Originally Posted by Towie1977:
“Another excellent performance eppy from Piper. I loved the scene in Harold's where Elly tried to smooth things over all for appearances sake. I really felt for Piper even though she only has herself to blame for everything that has befallen her.”

Nah Piper was a brat plain and simple. She had no right to speak to Elly like that. Or she had no right to ask if she slept with Piper. Xanthie rightly Put her in her place. I think Piper could actually go down a dark path tbh. She may have no one to turn to soon and we know where it can lead.

I agree the actress done great( i think this is what you mean)
kitkat1971
19-07-2016
There was that bit in the 'coming soon' trailer where Ben i think seemed to be grabbing piper's phone from her and saying she was 'acting crazy'.

Maybe they are going to take this impulsive, vindictive revenge attitude futher and have her really do some damage to somebody or she's going to start stalking Tyler?
Lady Voldemort
19-07-2016
Piper seems to have no redeeming features these days. I wonder if they are taking her down the same road as Paige - nice girl turning into a total dick for no apparent reason.
SpiderMan 83
19-07-2016
Originally Posted by spunger:
“She has a lovely sparkle in her eyes and displays an endearing enthusiasm in her acting. She could be the next Aussie soap star to make it big”

She is Special, She was amazing in the explosion scene, her and Beks were amazing..

Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Don't regret it, Tyler, you're well out of it! And how on earth were you on the same wavelength? She lied to you and you were too dumb to see it! You had virtually nothing in common!
!”

This. Never understood this comment. I swear he said the same thing about Paige. If a immature school girl brought the best out in you, than Tyler has problems.

Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“Not buying the Ben/Xanthe romance at all - well, Ben's side doesn't ring true for me.”

Agree every time she says something and he smiles it seems too forced. It is like they put to models together and expect magic
SpiderMan 83
19-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“There was that bit in the 'coming soon' trailer where Ben i think seemed to be grabbing piper's phone from her and saying she was 'acting crazy'.

Maybe they are going to take this impulsive, vindictive revenge attitude futher and have her really do some damage to somebody or she's going to start stalking Tyler?”

I have a feeling she may be the reason Lauren was upset. Maybe she does something to her and Brads relationship.
Charnham
20-07-2016
what happened to Piper? its easy to say she is being a total brat, because that is what she is being, but is not a bit of a insult to her character, or is this in character for her, she is certainly opinionated, and thinks alot of herself, dos not like being told she cant have someone, the swimming bf being a recent example, and I seem to recall her various social media bans generally resulted in her doing whatever she could to get around them,

Whilst I am surprised by her, this may not be totally out of character for her.

What I do find strange is why Elly is still interest in Tyler, would think she would be put off by him being interested in Piper.
Jimmy Skitz
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“what happened to Piper?”

they gave her S/L to the same writer that has butchered Paige's character
Charnham
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“they gave her S/L to the same writer that has butchered Paige's character”

fair point, if you over look the fact that Paige is not used to men saying no to her, she has been totally self involved, and deluded in her ideas to tempt John/Jake from the church.
dronkula
20-07-2016
Out of interest, does anyone know what sort of contract Damien Richardson (Gary Canning) has? Is he still just a guest/temp role or does he have a permanent contract now as I think the story between him and Xanthe (a man trying his hardest to be a good dad after letting his daughter down so much previously) is really good. It's also let Xanthe have a more interesting storyline rather than just Piper Sidekick or being in love with Ben.

And the interaction between him and Sheila is pretty nice as well.

Until they pop up in the titles, I tend to always assume someone is just a guest actor but I'd like Gary to stick around.
Neighbours_Fan
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by dronkula:
“Out of interest, does anyone know what sort of contract Damien Richardson (Gary Canning) has? Is he still just a guest/temp role or does he have a permanent contract now as I think the story between him and Xanthe (a man trying his hardest to be a good dad after letting his daughter down so much previously) is really good. It's also let Xanthe have a more interesting storyline rather than just Piper Sidekick or being in love with Ben.

And the interaction between him and Sheila is pretty nice as well.

Until they pop up in the titles, I tend to always assume someone is just a guest actor but I'd like Gary to stick around.”

Gary is still a guest because his name is in the end credits with the other guests.
Collins1965
20-07-2016
Whilst I agree that Piper is being very immature I do feel sorry for her. Elly is winding her up and twisting the knife in. I don't trust her at all.

I laughed at Piper's interpretation of Cleopatra - she has balls that girl. But Tyler needs to leave her be. He has made his decision (and it is the right one - for now) and must stick to it. He is being cruel otherwise.

They do seem hell bent on turning Piper into something she wasn't before, which is a shame. We don't need Paige #2, the original one is bad enough.
kitkat1971
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“what happened to Piper? its easy to say she is being a total brat, because that is what she is being, but is not a bit of a insult to her character, or is this in character for her, she is certainly opinionated, and thinks alot of herself, dos not like being told she cant have someone, the swimming bf being a recent example, and I seem to recall her various social media bans generally resulted in her doing whatever she could to get around them,

Whilst I am surprised by her, this may not be totally out of character for her.

What I do find strange is why Elly is still interest in Tyler, would think she would be put off by him being interested in Piper.”

I agree - I don't actually think this is out of character for Piper.

She has been willfull and prone to temper tantrums from the moment she returned. Does anybody remember her smashing the 'memory jar' very earlu on? She thinks she knows best, pushes things and acts out if things don't go her way. Look at the way she vlogs for example, I know she meant well (i really don't doubt it) but she knew best about filming Doug, she just kept on and on even when he said he didn't like it and was getting more agitated because she always thinks she knows more anybody else. She has consistently flouted any media bans, the modern day equilvelent of being grounded - 20 years ago she'd have been sneaking out of her bedroom window. She uploaded that video of Tyler jokingly talking about the Garage fairly on as well because she was hurt and thought he 'deserved' it. She employed emotional blackmail and manipulation to get tyler to spend time with her, including his being her 'date' to Imogen's lwedding (that exact word was used even though he'd said they couldn't have a relationship) after Josh,s death - just how was he supposed to say no to her at that time without coming across as a complete bar steward who didn't care she was grieving? The way she was about Brodie as well - she kept him secret from Brad and Terese, both when she was in Canada and back in Erinsborough.

Likewise Paige has always shown elements of this selfishness and acting out if she doesn't get what she wants.

It is just that both have become more noticeable recently because things aren't going their way. In the past, they've had people running around to make whatever caused the upset better (like everybody understanding that Piper felt she'd missed out when in Canada, or being so relieved she was safe they didn't give her a hard time about Chas or Lauren sympathizing with the emotions that made Paige trash Harolds) so it was easy for them to be 'nice' again quickly as they'd got their way. But now something s happening which thwarts their happiness and isn't changing, the nastier aspects of their characters/personalities are taking precedence.

Yes, Elly is a trouble maker and probably shouldn't rise to the bait with Piper, but that doesn't change the fact that Piper over reacted to the situation yet again.
kitkat1971
20-07-2016
I like Gary as well by the way - hope he sticks around.

He's kind of in the mould of Max Ramsay, Joe Mangel or Joe Scully - which is great to my mind.
lobeydosser
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I agree - I don't actually think this is out of character for Piper.

She has been willfull and prone to temper tantrums from the moment she returned. Does anybody remember her smashing the 'memory jar' very earlu on? She thinks she knows best, pushes things and acts out if things don't go her way. Look at the way she vlogs for example, I know she meant well (i really don't doubt it) but she knew best about filming Doug, she just kept on and on even when he said he didn't like it and was getting more agitated because she always thinks she knows more anybody else. She has consistently flouted any media bans, the modern day equilvelent of being grounded - 20 years ago she'd have been sneaking out of her bedroom window. She uploaded that video of Tyler jokingly talking about the Garage fairly on as well because she was hurt and thought he 'deserved' it. She employed emotional blackmail and manipulation to get tyler to spend time with her, including his being her 'date' to Imogen's lwedding (that exact word was used even though he'd said they couldn't have a relationship) after Josh,s death - just how was he supposed to say no to her at that time without coming across as a complete bar steward who didn't care she was grieving? The way she was about Brodie as well - she kept him secret from Brad and Terese, both when she was in Canada and back in Erinsborough.

Likewise Paige has always shown elements of this selfishness and acting out if she doesn't get what she wants.

It is just that both have become more noticeable recently because things aren't going their way. In the past, they've had people running around to make whatever caused the upset better (like everybody understanding that Piper felt she'd missed out when in Canada, or being so relieved she was safe they didn't give her a hard time about Chas or Lauren sympathizing with the emotions that made Paige trash Harolds) so it was easy for them to be 'nice' again quickly as they'd got their way. But now something s happening which thwarts their happiness and isn't changing, the nastier aspects of their characters/personalities are taking precedence.

Yes, Elly is a trouble maker and probably shouldn't rise to the bait with Piper, but that doesn't change the fact that Piper over reacted to the situation yet again.”

Do you think this has something to do with them both being Drab's daughters?

And as for Tyler saying Piper brought out the best in him, How? And they were on the same wavelength? Every time he tried to talk about coming clean with Drab and Therese, she spur her finger on his moth and shushed him like a little kid!

As for Elly, although I watched back in the day of Flick Scully, I can't remember her at all. Must be my age!

But she had no idea about Tyler when she spoke to him in the bar, and Piper's reaction was unforgivable, especially the names she called her. w`hat a cutie!
Gulftastic
20-07-2016
'Bisexual'. It's a real word, Neighbours. Give it go.
Charnham
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by Gulftastic:
“'Bisexual'. It's a real word, Neighbours. Give it go.”

to be fair its a word alot of shows struggle with, that and I dont think Steph is bi, Belinda was her mental health nurse, the entire relationship is a breach of trust, and many would seen as abusive. I dont recall Steph showing interest in any other woman before or after Belinda.
kitkat1971
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by Charnham:
“to be fair its a word alot of shows struggle with, that and I dont think Steph is bi, Belinda was her mental health nurse, the entire relationship is a breach of trust, and many would seen as abusive. I dont recall Steph showing interest in any other woman before or after Belinda.”

This.

I would welcome a bisexual character in Neighbours - it is something that Soaps struggle with but then so do a lot of people in real life. There is still very much an attitude, amongst both straight and gay people that is is 'having your cake and eating it' or alternatively that the person must be gay but just doesn't have the courage to properly come out and is berating other gay people as a result or by making it seem like a choice.

Hpwever, I really don't think Steph is bisexual simply because she never showed any sexual attraction to another woman during her lengthy prior stints and there has been no suggestion that other relationships to Belinda happened off screen.

My take on it is that she fell in love with a woman whilst in a vulnerable state and any sexual element developed after the emotional connection, probably initiated by belinda who does appear to be gay.

I suspect that if Belinda hadn't progressed it, it would have just been a close friendship and also if they had met under different circumstances, Steph might have rejected any sexual aspect to it.

I might be wrong, but that is my reading of the situation.

As i said in a prior post, i think a lot of people will have had same sex encounters if in certain segregated circumstances (Prison, Psych unit, Boarding school) just because they crave the human contact but they wouldn't be interested in standard circumstances and wouldn't class themselves as bisexual or even biicurious.
clever3000
20-07-2016
Just to bring everyone up to date regarding Elly here is some information about her

She was born in 1986 which makes her 30 so similar in age to Amy.

Her mother is Liz Conway who Susan has a difficult relationship. She also had a difficult relationship with her mother who neglected her as a child and also would forget her birthday.

She has a 15 year old half sibling

She formerly dated Tad Reeves

Interestingly i wouldn't be surprised to see a return from Tad Reeves, especially considering that the actor that played Tad, Jonathan Dutton, is married to Eve Morey who plays Sonya Rebecchi.
B*witched
20-07-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I like Gary as well by the way - hope he sticks around.

He's kind of in the mould of Max Ramsay, Joe Mangel or Joe Scully - which is great to my mind.”


Yes he is sort of like an old school Neighbours character and I enjoyed him too. At least he's likeable, the less agreeable characters seem to be front and centre these days.
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