they are both single, they did nothing wrong

Yeah, both free and footloose. Although I think Paige was a bit mean queering Courtenay's pitch with Tyler - I hope those two hook up again.

Tim Collins was great - and isn't Paul a hypocrite! Until he found out his daughter cleaned for Ryan, he didn't give a monkey's about the poor exploited women, he just wanted to shaft Therese 'because she deserves it'. Well, now you've shafted your own daughter, mate , so don't start trying to take the moral high ground! You really are pathetic - Tim Collins is a much better baddie! (and he's taller too!)

BTW Neighboursfans has spoilers for August 8 - 12. some very funny speculation about the snake!

Paige knows Pipper is madly in love with him though. Not very sisterly is it.

I think Elly was just being a responsible teacher. Elly knows how wild teens can get and probs wanted to protect them. No one would have watch them or made sure they never drank. It was better to prevent it i guess. Paige did not care it was all about getting over Jack.

They've been doing a very good job of turning Piper into a mini-me-me-me Paige recently, so her reaction to finding out Tyler let his man bun down for her sister has got my interest.

This doesn't often happen where Brad's spawn are concerned.

I have to agree.

I have made no secret of thinking that Piper has been behaving like a silly, selfish, immature, bratty little girl over recebt weeks and that i never thought the relationship stood a chance - both because of her immaturity and that I always thought sex would be an issue given the age gap and Tyler having shown that he has a healthy sex drive and expects that to be part of a relationship. Which is fair enough.

But...Piper doesn't deserve this. she doesn't deserve to have him move on, within days, with her sister. It is a horrible thing for both of them to do and they didn't seem like they were that drunk (ruddy hope not when swimming) so can't even use that as an excuse.

Really, it does go to prove yet again why Tyler and Piper were not going to work - at least not now. She, for all her front, is incredibly insecure about the age gap, hence all the lying, wanting to have sex, stalking him at The Waterhold and needing to get him to leave before Elly 'got her claws into him' and the comment today of "but they're all his age and hot". Even if brad and Terese had approved, that paranoia wasn't going to go away, shek5 have been terrified everytime a woman spoke to him, everytime he went to the Pub.

As for him, not sure he's ever really got over Paige. He liked Piper, enjoys her company, thinks she 'brings out the best' but how much of the attraction was her being like Paige? And he is always going to want the sexual side, the 'adult' side.

I'm not even sure i can bother with the internet breath to talk about Paige and how thin her 'love' for Jack has proved to be. She doesn't even seem to like him now! Of course a lot of today was 'defence' mode - pretending she's okay in an attempt to feel okay but it still proves that they didn't really know each other and she wouldn't have been able to deal with somebody as moral (for want of a better word) as him once the honeymoon period was over.

That is true in so far as Paige probably not caring but then, if it was going to get that out of hand, should Elly have been encouraging people that didn't look to be much older than teens (prob university age) to be going into the pool after drinking and putting 'club' type music on at higher than acceptable volume?

Granted I didn't know her when she was 30ish but my Mother was a secondary school teacher and the neighborhoods i lived in when i was a baby/child used to have * lot of parties (the 70s you know) with teenagers, some of whom she taught living around. I'm sure that she wouldn't have taken it upon herself to order them away if they'd turned up, as it would be the party holders responsibility and again, it's not actually illegal for under 18s to drink at a private party in a home - unless the law has changed.

I'd say it's borderline - might have been concern, might have been that she didn't want students seeing her let her hair down out of hours.

It would have been interesting to see if she'd have ordered Piper away though, considering that Piper is Paige's sister and her Dad lives in that house so really she has as much right to be there as Paige.

I don't think Tyler was that into Piper in the first place. Their friendship was more like brother and sister at first until she started manipulating him. He was always into Paige even when she was with Mark. Piper was a mistake on his part and Paige will hurt him because she just wants whatever pleases her at the time.

I'm another who feels that coz Paige and Tyler are both single, that neither did anything wrong....
however, that doesn't take away the fact that Paige is being an utter bitch again for shagging Tyler, knowing how piper feels about him; and Tyler an utter bastard for shagging Paige considering she is her older half sister....
How cruel and hurtful they have both been.
Its their choice of partner to sleep with which I feel is disrespectful and mean.
They are free to sleep with who they want but did they have to be so selfish and horrible with their choice.

Exactly this.

On the face of it, they are both single, they're not doing anything morally wrong in turning into each other for some 'strings free' comfort with a friend.

But, they are both supposed to deeply care, possibly love Piper and consideration for how she would be hurt should ha e stopped them going there - especially as it was just a casual hook up.

If all they needed was sex to work out thwarted desires for somebody they can't have, why not find somebody unconnected. They're both young, attractive, they'd have no trouble picking somebody up.

If they were actually 'in love' it might be rather more forgivable but as it is, they just seem to have done something, for little gain, which stands to hurt somebody they're supposed t love very much.

Why is it so shocking that 2 people that have a sexual history at a low point when drunk find comfort in each other,it happens IRL all the time

It's not shocking.
It's just not a nice thing for them to have done to somebody they are both supposed to care about/love who they know is hung up on Tyler and will therefore be upset by it.

If Tyler hadn't just had this big thing with Paige's sister, there would be nothing wrong with it at all. And indeed, Tyler has declared that it won't work and Piper needs to deal with that, including him inevitably getting with somebody else.

But for that person to be her sister, it is kicking somebody when they're down.

I've had casual hookups. I've had 'friends with benefits'. I've fallen back to an old lover with no strings when things have gone wrong with somebody else.

I don't feel guilty about any of those.

But, I have never, and would never, have done that with somebody i knew a friend was in love with, or just broken up with, even if they weren't actually together as you just don't cause a friend pain like that.

I don't have a sister but i think it would even more be the case.

Can not disagree with this and i do think they make a nice couple. Tyler was being sweet and sensible, so it shocked me he would hook up with Paige as he showed no interest in her all night. Paige, i get she was hurting and wanted to lash out. She has every right to sleep with who she wants. I just thought she could have thought about Pipes in all this.( yea most are defending nightmare pipes) lol.

When you claim to what a good relationship with your half sister, it is best to think of her feelings as well as your own. Problem with Paige as long as she is happy to hell with the rest. Her sleeping with Tyler had nothing to do with any chemistry. He was there, he could have been any bloke who was sweet to her that night. If them hooking up meant something than fine, but she put her feelings ahead of Piper why cause some boy dumped he. Same reason little sis is upset? Yet she goes and makes Pipers heart to break a little more. Sister of the year there.

I was so hoping that Lauren would persuade Brad to cut short their camping idyll out of concern for Paige, and arrive home just as Mark was turning up in response to noise complaints, discover the "randoms" at it like rabbits in their bedroom and finally realise that their precious daughter isn't so perfect after all. But then I remembered this is soapland where young deliquents constantly get away with murder.

I don't think either of them love Piper. Tyler had a brief attachment and Paige never seems bothered. Tyler is more likely to love Paige then anyone - look how he was with her during the school fire. Paige is just selfish but we knew that already.

Paige never seemed bothered with any of her family - look how she behaved when Josh was dying! Everybody else went to the hotel to see him to say goodbye, but Paige stayed with an unconscious man she didn't know from Adam!

I have little sympathy for 'Pipes' but I agree you don't go after a bloke a friend likes - but some women do. Courtenay was presumably a friend of Paige but Paige also ignored the fact that she liked him.

Undeniably a chemistry between Paige and Tyler - I think he felt far more for her than he ever did for Piper- and I guess they were both a bit drunk. They will hook up again so it's not just a one-off.

Glad Ben gave Piper a piece of his mind. Somebody had to!

Paige and Tyler should deffo be together, they work. TY never loved or like Pipes in the way and Paige's feelings for Jack and vice versa were just that of the florence nightingale effect.

So Paige is shagging Tyler now? She really could not be more unlikable!

[QUOTE=lobeydosser;83320818]Paige never seemed bothered with any of her family - look how she behaved when Josh was dying! Everybody else went to the hotel to see him to say goodbye, but Paige stayed with an unconscious man she didn't know from Adam!

I have little sympathy for 'Pipes' but I agree you don't go after a bloke a friend likes - but some women do. Courtenay was presumably a friend of Paige but Paige also ignored the fact that she liked him.

Undeniably a chemistry between Paige and Tyler - I think he felt far more for her than he ever did for Piper- and I guess they were both a bit drunk. They will hook up again so it's not just a one-off.

Glad Ben gave Piper a piece of his mind. Somebody had to![/quote]
To add to BIB - Paige gave Ned the brush-off when he offered to help with leafleting about Jack, she has rarely been seen fraternising with Piper, or much with Imogen when she was here, so I doubt if she 'loves' Piper -she doesn't seem bothered about the rest of her family.

I say this as someone who never understood the dislike of Paige, but I do think lately the scriptwriters have ruined her, the way she's been written over the whole Jack thing.

They should never have started the Piper/ Tyler thing IMHO, but just let Paige and Tyler reconnect as they are right for each other.

Having said that, I doubt if Paige and Tyler were at any stage to think about consequences when they hooked up - 'throw caution to the winds' springs to mind!

I suspect that Paige would love to wave a magic wand and erase all her half siblings from history. She'd love to be the only one. There is always someone irritating getting in her way and up her nose - siblings... those pesky step parents... God...

I have the feeling that I am soon going to be expected to root for either Paige or Piper, but I now find both of them so selfish, unlikeable and unsympathetic that I think I'd just prefer it if they both spontaneously combusted in a shock cliffhanger. They must surely have enough hot air between them to make this a possibility.

I hope that so many people that have spent weeks criticizing Piper expressing sympathy for her now proves she we have all been judging her on individual actions, not just 'hating' her no matter wjat.

Now she has actual, understandable reasons for feeling hard done by, I feel sorry for her.

It doesn't matter if Paige (or us for that matter) believe that Piper's feelings for Tyler are 'just a crush' which won't be that serious long term, they feel like love to Piper now so she will feel as devastated as Paige would have done if Mark had slept with Imogen, Piper, or anybody when she was still in love with him.

Who is Paige to decide that it is 'just a little crush'? No wonder she didn't know w 'intense' Piper was about it? She has all but ignored her family for months as she concentrated on her 'little crush' but of course that isn't a crush is it, that is 'love' so she's entitled to act out.

Paige and Piper are two of a kind really.

For all i felt sorry for Piper, there were still brattish elements to her reaction - her telling Brad about the stool being broken and Paige trying to hide it was pure spite.

I agree about Paige rather being an only child by the way - I've always thought that. She plays nice to a certain extent, is okay with being friendly with her siblings but she has to be number one with her parents and in a perfect world, she'd rather it was just the 3 of them so she could get ALL their attention.

Blimey Neighbours. 'Slept together'. Bit raunchy for you, that is.

Can somebody explain that sofa bed to me at the Turners? It appears to be in that covered bit so close to the pool and the location of choice for couples who 'get carried away'. Paige and tyler yesterday, Brad and Lauren when they reconciled.

Is it always out as a bed? Do they not have beds in their bedrooms?

It's just that i think if i were overcome with lust, the last thing I'd do before hand was convert a sofa into a bed and them put the sheets on. I'd either head up to the bed that is ready upstairs or do it on the sofa.

Is that just me?

I am sure viewers will soon be manipulated into a P vs P debate, but, like you, I find both of them unsympathetic at the moment. Tyler would have found a woman his own age sooner or later ( and I do think it was a bit manipulative of Piper, in her 'grown up ' speech, to say she knew he would nay go with a girl if it meant something to him) but Paige has the added element of being a sister. But then we've already remarked on how he's worked his way through the Willis sisters! And Paige and he do have history.

SO it shouldn't be P vs P or even P vs Elly - Typer is over and Paige and Elly were nothing to do with that. They're not to blame for the end of the 'relationship' - Piper is!

On another note, I know Kitkat will not agree with me, but I am getting increasingly sick of Paul's scheming and his rank hypocrisy. He is responsible for Amy's current embarrassment, nobody else - Therese sacked Ryan partly to protect Amy and Paul of course wouldn't let it go. Now it's blown up on Amy and he has the cheek to pretend he was trying to protect vulnerable women.

Ironic that the person Therese paid to lie about Paul was the same person Paul paid to lie about Steph! I'm getting sick of his wrinkly, simian face, and the way he's always stabbing at his phone demanding people do his bidding.

MESSAGE TO PAUL: YOU HAVE HURT YOUR OWN DAUGHTER ANAD THERE IS NOBODY TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF!