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Neighbours - Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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Madge
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by mrs.deschanel:
“She was happy to see an innocent man rot in jail. Now she's gone back to work mode and is not being any sort of parent to Piper despite her being the old child she has left and her declaring she would be a better mother. Didn't she also want to be a better parent when she didn't realise that Imogen had an eating disorder? Wasn't that eating disorder partly due to having an emotionally absent parent?

Paul has been an evil panto villain for years so none of this is different for him. I think we aren't surprised by how low he'll stoop anymore. He does something vile and everyone rolls their eyes and think he's at it again. It's a shame he didn't end up with Naomi and became a better person. It would have been a bit more interesting than constantly evil Paul. Also I kind of fancy him so am a bit biased . Of course that doesn't mean I whack on my rose tinted specs and only see my version of him - I'm not that daft .”

Me too

I think for me, I just remember how he was before he went bad and what caused him to go bad. I do wish they'd drop the panto villain thing they have going at the moment and really explore his character because he is very interesting and complex. And yes, he is guilty of so much that is deplorable, but every now and then you see that chink in his armour - his grief over Kate, his desperation to get Rebecca back, his affection for Donna and by association Ringo, his vulnerability when he thought he was dying, his gesture to Steph of finding some dirt on Max's wife to try and help her keep Charlie. For me these things make him interesting and more importantly, they make him someone who isn't yet beyond redemption.

Oh and I've never liked Terese.
Tejas
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Madge:
“Me too

I think for me, I just remember how he was before he went bad and what caused him to go bad. I do wish they'd drop the panto villain thing they have going at the moment and really explore his character because he is very interesting and complex. And yes, he is guilty of so much that is deplorable, but every now and then you see that chink in his armour - his grief over Kate, his desperation to get Rebecca back, his affection for Donna and by association Ringo, his vulnerability when he thought he was dying, his gesture to Steph of finding some dirt on Max's wife to try and help her keep Charlie. For me these things make him interesting and more importantly, they make him someone who isn't yet beyond redemption.

Oh and I've never liked Terese.”

You've pretty much summed up my views on the two characters here. Paul Robinson is the ultimate 'love to hate' character, but when he shows emotion, he does it really well... the trouble with Paul is he shows his love in some really terrible ways!

Terese is someone I don't like, although I am beginning to enjoy her in a similar way to Paul. I think their rivalry is probably the best thing about Neighbours at the moment. She really is no better than him, she always puts herself first and rarely thinks of the impact on others of her actions.

What bugs me is how everyone always takes Terese's side as if she is perfect even when she does awful things. I mean even Madison kisses her backside at every opportunity. Yes Paul exploited her, but she created false evidence to have him sent to prison! Great family loyalty there!
aldo-1
16-08-2016
How much longer is the paul & therese and paige & jack nonsence gonna last
kitkat1971
16-08-2016
I'm exactly the same with Paul.

I am in no way trying to defend the dreadful things he has done and his having been treated badly is not an excuse to take it out on everybody else for even a short time, let alone approx 30 years.

But I can also never forget what Paul was when the show started (nice, kind, moral, loving, honest) and what damaged him and turned him into the bitter man he is now. That he made a conscious decision to prirotise money over love or friendship or even decency makes it sadder somehow - it was the only way he could see to survive and it has become a self fulfilling prophecy over the years as each time he has let the 'real' Poaul win through and let somebody in, it has gone wrong with them betraying and hurting him so the she'll goes up once again and he gets worse. Terese is just the latest example of this.

Now of course, generally their 'betrayal' stems from reacting to something rotten he has done but he will never see it that way.

It's chicken and egg with him really as to why all his relationships inevitably implode - he can never let go over the money and power and "alls fair in love and war" mentality which pushes people away but then he sees that as them acting against him and pushes them further away or even goes for revence.

I think that he is at base a very sad and tragic man.
kitkat1971
16-08-2016
I do agree about Madison.

I can completely understand why she doesn't want anything to do with Paul - he used her in a dreadful way, pretty much capsizing her life by getting her that job so she'd leave Uni and then acting in such a way as she'd lose it.

But, why throw her all in with Terese? Surely she can see that she didn't behave well with setting him up either. And surely she could have tried to reenroll at Uni even if she had to drop back a year. Also, didn't she even try applying to other papers and just explaining that she was being asked to behave in a way at her placement which she dound professionally ammoral. Sure, rags wouldn't want to know her but quality newspapers would respect it.
lobeydosser
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I'm exactly the same with Paul.

I am in no way trying to defend the dreadful things he has done and his having been treated badly is not an excuse to take it out on everybody else for even a short time, let alone approx 30 years.

But I can also never forget what Paul was when the show started (nice, kind, moral, loving, honest) and what damaged him and turned him into the bitter man he is now. That he made a conscious decision to prirotise money over love or friendship or even decency makes it sadder somehow - it was the only way he could see to survive and it has become a self fulfilling prophecy over the years as each time he has let the 'real' Poaul win through and let somebody in, it has gone wrong with them betraying and hurting him so the she'll goes up once again and he gets worse. Terese is just the latest example of this.

Now of course, generally their 'betrayal' stems from reacting to something rotten he has done but he will never see it that way.

It's chicken and egg with him really as to why all his relationships inevitably implode - he can never let go over the money and power and "alls fair in love and war" mentality which pushes people away but then he sees that as them acting against him and pushes them further away or even goes for revence.

I think that he is at base a very sad and tragic man.”

I think I've said before that I didn't watch Neighbours all those years ago when Paul was apparently a decent human being. So I'm afraid I judge him on what he is now, and even a spell in prison hasn't taught him anything - he's back to lying, cheating and manipulating. The way he spoke to Gary today was awful and his constant scheming is getting very tedious. He's lost so much because of it over the years - and remember how horrible he was to Naomi when she decided to go? He lost Lynn, Rebecca, his kids, he couldn't see that Kate died because of a vendetta against him, preferring to blame it on Mark. I'm sure there are many other things I don't know about as I've not been watching as long as some people on this thread, but I really think it's time the scriptwriters took him in a new direction, or sent him off on a long sabbatical.

Revenge is a dish best served cold!
mrs.deschanel
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“Hi Wife. What are you doing attacking poor grief stricken Terese? Because this is what she was at the time: grief stricken at the death of her son and father-in-law. We saw this. She wasn't happy to see an innocent man go to jail, she was happy to see a man she believed to be guilty go to jail. There's a difference. She was carrying so much anger that she was chanelling it all through Paul. She needed him to be guilty for her own sanity. She wasn't thinking straight when she paid Cecilia Saint to lie, and grief can make people do and act in ways they normally wouldn't. Trust me, I'm a trainee Pyschotherapist, but then as my wife, you should know that!

Terese isn't perfect, and she's never claimed to be. Her career has always taken precedence over her family, and she has tried to work on that but her job always pulls her back in. It's certainly a continuing issue for her and her kids. Imogen's bulimia was in part due to both Brad and Terese focusing on Josh and his career, which made her feel neglected.

Back to today: I continue to like the potential of Gary/Terese, but I'm not sure if they have long term potential.

Also nice seeing them use the mezzanine set, which has been neglected for so long.

Now it's Jack's turn to continue messing Paige about. Seriously, get over her already. Or leave the Church. He's the dullest priest I have ever seen on a soap. He's no Father Antonio Toress from Sunset Beach, that's for sure.”

Good evening my love . She may have been grief stricken but she still knew what she was doing was wrong hence her telling Brad about it. She wasn't even sure Paul did it. I'm more annoyed at her going back to crap, neglectful, short tempered parent when she said she'd be better. None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes as parents but she never bothers with Piper unless it's to lay down the law these days. She should have learned a lesson from Imogen. I loved the actress as Sophie in H&A and didn't mind her as the power boobed one nagging Brad. At the moment she's irritating me though. She's not even grief stricken anymore - she's back to how she was before like her son isn't dead, her daughter hasn't buggered off and her youngest isn't having a mega crisis with her behaviour.

Father Antonio . How I wish they'd cast someone more like him with an acting range beyond gazing at the heavens before coming out with a line. Someone good looking so the Paige obsession would make sense. Even someone with a top lip would do.
Madge
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“I think I've said before that I didn't watch Neighbours all those years ago when Paul was apparently a decent human being. So I'm afraid I judge him on what he is now, and even a spell in prison hasn't taught him anything - he's back to lying, cheating and manipulating. The way he spoke to Gary today was awful and his constant scheming is getting very tedious. He's lost so much because of it over the years - and remember how horrible he was to Naomi when she decided to go? He lost Lynn, Rebecca, his kids, he couldn't see that Kate died because of a vendetta against him, preferring to blame it on Mark. I'm sure there are many other things I don't know about as I've not been watching as long as some people on this thread, but I really think it's time the scriptwriters took him in a new direction, or sent him off on a long sabbatical.

Revenge is a dish best served cold!”

There you go then, go and watch the early episodes and you too will feel able to forgive Paul.

Your blood pressure will thank you.
mrs.deschanel
16-08-2016
Originally Posted by Madge:
“There you go then, go and watch the early episodes and you too will feel able to forgive Paul.

Your blood pressure will thank you.”

Maybe she shouldn't. Her hatred for Paul is part of what makes is the best thread on the forum. We all have our individual likes and dislikes and our own way of seeing what's going on and we don't argue with each other. We all know Lobs hates Paul and her comments whenever he is acting himself are brilliant. Obviously I don't want her blood pressure to soar of course.
zx50
16-08-2016
That fella with grey hair has a right chip on his shoulder when it comes to cyclists and anyone that has anything to do with them. I'm glad Paige finally told Jack to mind his own business when it comes to what she does if he's not going to choose her. He's been teasing her for too long. Looks like Paul has finally managed to get the proxy vote from Amber then. I had an idea that Terese wouldn't win for long. Paul always comes out on top in the end.
retrovertigo
17-08-2016
I think Paul is awesome. In fact I'd love him to romance Terese again, but do it solely so he could marry her and get half of her share of Lassiters

And how many boxing lessons has Paige had exactly? I've seen her work out with a punch bag, but only once with a living breathing person (who knocked her on her backside, and out cold. Yes I know it was a fluke punch. But she showed she can't take on at all!)
clever3000
17-08-2016
For what its worth my thoughts on Paul that he is one of the most incredibally complex soap characters that there is. It would be interesting for Paul to see someone and actually open up on the effect that Terri had on his life.

Paul manages to convey sympathy very well. Underneath all the bravado is a man who has suffered a lot in his life. He has been to Jail twice, Lost his Leg while being chased by a gang, been the target for his own son Robert, suffered from a brain tumour among various other things as well. It is a lot for someone to go through and it explains how he has become who he has today.

Considering all the praise and criticism of Paul what has been ignored is how fantastically well written he is, he acts the way he does as a result of what he has been through. Although i have been critical of the Scriptwriters they really do a fantastic job when it comes to the Paul. He is for me the best character in any soap, and that it just down to the amazing complexity within Paul.

Originally Posted by Deschanel:
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Also nice seeing them use the mezzanine set, which has been neglected for so long. ”

The mezzanine set is just like the Dingoes Gym, The Shed and Eden Hills where it seems to appear frequently for a month or so and then it goes back to not being used for a long time. Interestingly the outdoor Eden Hills scenes are just filmed at the back of the Lassiters Complex right behind Harolds. In certain scenes you can see the path of the University Set.
Fee77
17-08-2016
Hmmmm so who is the mystery snake man?

Also Ned and Elly both while walking down the road say they aren't looking to date, then the same day Ned turns up at her house and asks her out.....strange...
Deschanel
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by mrs.deschanel:
“Good evening my love . She may have been grief stricken but she still knew what she was doing was wrong hence her telling Brad about it. She wasn't even sure Paul did it. I'm more annoyed at her going back to crap, neglectful, short tempered parent when she said she'd be better. None of us are perfect and we all make mistakes as parents but she never bothers with Piper unless it's to lay down the law these days. She should have learned a lesson from Imogen. I loved the actress as Sophie in H&A and didn't mind her as the power boobed one nagging Brad. At the moment she's irritating me though. She's not even grief stricken anymore - she's back to how she was before like her son isn't dead, her daughter hasn't buggered off and her youngest isn't having a mega crisis with her behaviour.

Father Antonio . How I wish they'd cast someone more like him with an acting range beyond gazing at the heavens before coming out with a line. Someone good looking so the Paige obsession would make sense. Even someone with a top lip would do.”

Terese was grief stricken longer than most characters. Everyone has moved on now. Speaking of her patenting, I wonder if she is unconsciously playing out her own childhood? Didn't she and Nick talk about how they had to raise themselves and do what they could to get out of there? Sounds like she had neglectful parenting. It sounded like she doesn't come from a stable home. I love Terese, and I feel like if people can love Paul, then why can't they have that same affection for Terese? She's a good person who hasn't really done anything bad (paying off Cecilia aside). Even her vendetta with Paul isn't really malicious. I'd live for them to write a few decent Terese/Piper scenes of them bonding. They manage it with Piper/Ned/Brad/Lauren.

Jack should have been like Father Fit. To think they actually cast Andrew Morely because his personality suited the character. I can't believe Paige would fall for someone so dull.

I like that they remembered Aaron had built up a decent relationship with the Kennedys.

So the Snake Catcher is the Snake Stalker! I get the feeling he's targeting Steph after she lamented about the snake in Bendigo. Wonder what his motive is? Ned telling Mark to arrest the snake was funny.

Charlie calling Steph "mum" would be great if he hadn't already said it before. Worst continuity error I've seen in a long time. Really messes up what should have been a poignant moment.
Gulftastic
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
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Charlie calling Steph "mum" would be great if he hadn't already said it before. Worst continuity error I've seen in a long time. Really messes up what should have been a poignant moment.”

It was nowhere near as touching as when Callum called Sonya' Mum'.
Collins1965
17-08-2016
Elly is so unlikeable.

Why on earth doesn't Susan pick her up on her total unprofessional behaviour in goading Piper?

And the way she rubbished Ned for daring to not fancy her was horrible. She is a nasty vain creature.
Madge
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by mrs.deschanel:
“Maybe she shouldn't. Her hatred for Paul is part of what makes is the best thread on the forum. We all have our individual likes and dislikes and our own way of seeing what's going on and we don't argue with each other. We all know Lobs hates Paul and her comments whenever he is acting himself are brilliant. Obviously I don't want her blood pressure to soar of course.”

I was only joking!
SecretLifeoBees
17-08-2016
Ned's quip to Mark about arresting the snake made me laugh as is their cries of "call the snake catcher" in the most dramatic fashion. Must admit I do like Elly so far despite her war with Piper, who gives as good as she gets.

I thought Charlie had been calling Steph 'mum' on and off the whole time.
Jenkins Leeroy
17-08-2016
is elly a teacher or a prostitute?
Collins1965
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Jenkins Leeroy:
“is elly a teacher or a prostitute?”

Well she shows no interest whatsoever in school matters and pounces on new male totty at every available opportunity so it's hard to tell at the moment..........
Creamtea
17-08-2016
I go through phases with Paul. Sometimes I like him and sometimes I don't. I remember how he is the way he is though. I'm sure there are scenes on YouTube of Paul telling Helen how he would never let anybody hurt him again and how he was going to change after Terri. Quite sad really. Plus he doesn't really have any family left - they always leave him in the end. Sometimes though the PTB over do it with him and he becomes a bit panto - all he needs are a cane and a moustache to twirl!
Charnham
17-08-2016
I think what we are starting to see on screen, is the rest of Erinsboruogh rejecting rule by Ramsay Street, be it the mayor and her father in laws pet project / argument with his wife, or the running of Erinsborough High by only teachers who live in Ramsay Street.

Mark (again Ramsay Street) is acting like a cop with a personnel interest if not a grudge, yet it is going unchallanged.
Tejas
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Collins1965:
“Elly is so unlikeable.

Why on earth doesn't Susan pick her up on her total unprofessional behaviour in goading Piper?

And the way she rubbished Ned for daring to not fancy her was horrible. She is a nasty vain creature.”

I really, REALLY don't like Elly. I thought they were trying to redeem her with her losing the baby but seemingly not - she was vile today and her acting is awful! I cringed so much when she was talking about how could Net not want "to go on a date with this"... I'm a guy and to be honest I'd rather go out with Ned than her!

Interesting twist with the snake man - I suspect he's working for somebody, but who? Tim Collins is the only person I can think of, he has motive as Sonya shattered his dream of becoming the mayor, but releasing deadly snakes seems a bit extreme!
lobeydosser
17-08-2016
Originally Posted by Tejas:
“I really, REALLY don't like Elly. I thought they were trying to redeem her with her losing the baby but seemingly not - she was vile today and her acting is awful! I cringed so much when she was talking about how could Net not want "to go on a date with this"... I'm a guy and to be honest I'd rather go out with Ned than her!

Interesting twist with the snake man - I suspect he's working for somebody, but who? Tim Collins is the only person I can think of, he has motive as Sonya shattered his dream of becoming the mayor, but releasing deadly snakes seems a bit extreme!”

I think there are a few guys (and gals) on this thread who'd rather like to date Ned!
lobeydosser
17-08-2016
Well, Madge and Mrs D My blood pressure remains stable after a Paul-free episode!

Wasn't keen on Piper's mardy looks when Elly was flashing her teeth at Ned but then Elly should be more professional around students. And I'm so afraid her teeth are going to shoot right out of her mouth one day!

Snake man is snake stalker! Wonder who he's working for? Steph obviously doesn't recognise him although apparently she is the stalker's victim, not Sonya.
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