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Neighbours - Discussion Thread (Part 3)
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kitkat1971
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Deschanel:
“Jack bares some of the responsibility because he knew his motivations could be misinterpreted by Paige. All he had to do was remind her that the bible sessions and walking her home didn't mean anything more than him trying to teach her and being chivalrous. I think his own feelings slightly clouded his judgement, which stopped him from seeing the way she looked at him.

When Paige asked about learning about the bible, I do believe she wanted to try to be friends with him by understanding his faith, but the more time he spent with her outside of the sessions, going out of his way to be her personal security guard, it makes sense that Paige would mis-read into his actions and behaviour. I think her outburst was justified. I think Jack should have been more open (not about the stalker stuff), all of this could have been avoided.”

Unless he actually took her at her word that she wanted to learn about his faith and now only wanted to build a friendship? If she was genuine in that as you state, surely constantly reminding her that friendship was all it could be was unnecessary and if she still had feelings, even cruel? Plus of course, her reaction might have been to stop the lessons so that he could no longer keep her safe.

He really was between the devi and the deep blue sea here, even if he was aware of the emotional problems it might cause Paige - and he might not have been if he took her at her word about having accepted the situation and just wanting to learn about religion and be friends.

I understand why Paige is upset, of course i do. We've all had feelings for somebody that either didn't or couldn't return them in the form we wanted. Not usually a Priiiest but because they are married or similar. I do also understand how she misinterpreted it.

But I do also think that she sees what she wants to see and is inherently selfish and that Jack really didn't have any other option but to behave as he did and her inability or unwillingness to see that, to only see it as him hurting her, is aggravating.

Again, really what else could he do to keep her safe without breaking the sacrament of Confession?

And why should his actions indicating that he cares or even loves her be leading her on? He has never denied that he loves her, that he enjoys being with her but has also made it clear that he can't be with her in that way due to his vocation. His actions over the last week didn't contradict that.

Why should somebody have to spell out that they are just acting as a Priest to a Parishioner or a friend, which includes seeing somebody home when the Neighbourhood is being targeted. Most people that aren't as selfish, delusional and vain as Paige (believing her charms are so great she can get any man, even when 'competeting' with God) would recognise that.
kitkat1971
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Donna65:
“Sorry if this has been done before, but I haven't read the whole thread and don't come on this forum very often.

I'm sure I haven't missed an episode, but when and how was it decided that Charlie would suddenly be living full time with Steph? It just seemed to happen.

Secondly, are Jack and Paige ever going to get together? I assumed that they were going to be a couple, given how they are portrayed in the opening credits, but it has been going on so long now that I'm starting to wonder if it will ever happen. Same old, same old, every few episodes at the moment.”

I don't think they ever addressed it on screen, he was just there full time one day.

Who knows - those credits date from before they revealed he was a Priest so i'm not sure too much should be read into that. Terese and Paul haven't been getting on well enough to share an afternoon tea for 6 months but they haven't changed those credits either.

That said, I think they will finally have him leave the Priesthood for her, even though I hope they don't.
lobeydosser
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“I don't think they ever addressed it on screen, he was just there full time one day.

Who knows - those credits date from before they revealed he was a Priest so i'm not sure too much should be read into that. Terese and Paul haven't been getting on well enough to share an afternoon tea for 6 months but they haven't changed those credits either.

That said, I think they will finally have him leave the Priesthood for her, even though I hope they don't.”

I really hope Jack does not leave the priesthood for Paige, and I hope Tyler does not get back with Piper, and I hope Paul and Therese do not get back together. However, I have a horrible feeling TPTB are going to do just those things, which will put me off Neighbours I think.

Paul's behaviour yesterday, phoning one of Lassiter's guests 9How did he get their details) was disgusting, and refusing to let Gary off his hook.

He has become a caricature, what ever he may have been in the past, and obviously has no principles. Neighbours would be better off without him and his shoddy machinations - and he's getting a turkey neck!
Jimmy Skitz
02-09-2016
why they suddenly felt the need for a Priest as a regular character is odd, I don't think they have ever had one before.
Donna65
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“I really hope Jack does not leave the priesthood for Paige, and I hope Tyler does not get back with Piper, and I hope Paul and Therese do not get back together. However, I have a horrible feeling TPTB are going to do just those things, which will put me off Neighbours I think.

Paul's behaviour yesterday, phoning one of Lassiter's guests 9How did he get their details) was disgusting, and refusing to let Gary off his hook.

He has become a caricature, what ever he may have been in the past, and obviously has no principles. Neighbours would be better off without him and his shoddy machinations - and he's getting a turkey neck!”

I agree with this. I think the story with Paul is just on repeat. He gets worse and worse with his behaviour, has a scare or a wake up call and then vows to redeem himself. He's nicer for a bit and then goes back to doing exactly the same things as before and never learns his lesson. I prefer him when he's being nicer than the baddie that he is most of the time.

I don't really get how he has this power over Gary and can't believe he wouldn't just tell him where to go. Surely if he were to report him to the police for the crimes he has committed on behalf of Paul, which would get him sent back to jail, then wouldn't Paul be in trouble as well?
fiagomez
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“why they suddenly felt the need for a Priest as a regular character is odd, I don't think they have ever had one before.”

They had rosie...
Jimmy Skitz
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by fiagomez:
“They had rosie...”

firstly she was a Vicar not a Priest and wasn't she a love interest for Harold?
clever3000
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“firstly she was a Vicar not a Priest and wasn't she a love interest for Harold?”

She was the vicar and mother of Max and Izzy, she was part of a love triangle with Harold and Lou.
fiagomez
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“firstly she was a Vicar not a Priest and wasn't she a love interest for Harold?”

They are the same to me except one is Catholic and the other is protestant..
They both serve god
lobeydosser
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by fiagomez:
“They are the same to me except one is Catholic and the other is protestant..
They both serve god”

Only difference is Catholic priest are celibate, so Rosie was not bound by that. Itherwise, yes, they both serve God.
Jimmy Skitz
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by fiagomez:
“They are the same to me except one is Catholic and the other is protestant..
They both serve god”

they have some VERY different rules which would greatly have affected this plot line
Jimmy Skitz
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Only difference is Catholic priest are celibate, so Rosie was not bound by that. Itherwise, yes, they both serve God.”

thing is she was introduced as a mother of established character's Jack's introduction was pointless, no character had previously mentioned being catholic
kitkat1971
02-09-2016
Jack was introduced for the. John Doe plotline. The point of him was the mystery as who or what he was and the reveal of his being a Priest was just a fairly good end to that - good in so far as few (if any) viewers guessed it - everybody was fixated on him being related to somebody. It also was a way of resolving the explosion 'whodunnit' plot and in that respect, i think it worked quite well.

Since then, they are just doing the "Priest falls in love and is torn between woman and Church" plot which many people do find interesting (the Thorn Birds is a bestseller and very was a popular miniseries) and has been used in Soap before - Sons and Daughters and Dynasty both come to mind.

It's just how long he can stay a viable character but i don't see why he shouldn't be - not every character has to be sleeping around constantly to be interesting.

I don't also see why loads of characters have to be Catholic either Amy is, i assume because Nene is as i'm fairly sure the Robinsons were Anglican back in the day. Shiela has also mentioned she is lapsed Catholic so I assume the rest of the Canning also are.

I'm a Paul defender but i agree, he is going round in circles and becoming more and more Panto like.
zx50
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by kitkat1971:
“Jack was pretty much staying away from her until she decided to go and listen to one of his sermons, then went into the confessional and then declared that she wanted to learn more about the Bible so she could understand his calling.

Yes, he suggested the formal, one to one Bible lessons as a way of keeping an eye on her when he believed she was in danger but the initial reconnection came from her, not him.

How about he tells her to stay away from his place of work (also a Church) as it is not fair on him to have the constant temptation? But of course he won't do that as Churches need to be open and welcoming to anyone that wishes to come - no matter what their motives and let's face it, Paige's are not holy.

Shall i ask another question to those that think Jack has been unfair to Paige over the last week? Should he have left her unprotected if she was the target of some madman? Given that he couldn't tell anybody else about it as he learnt of the threat in the confessional, just what else was he supposed to do to keep her safe but keep an eye on her, himself?

And again, he never said anything to her to indicate that he wanted to leave the church and be with her properly - not anything. She has read that into his actions with no real cause - which i understand as when you are in love with someone, you will seize on anything which could indicate they feel the same way but it is her issue, not his.

All just my opinion of it of course.”

Yeah, I forgot about Paige deciding to attend one of his masses. Paige needs to stay away from him as well then. Paige is kidding herself if she thinks that anything's going to happen between them, unless he breaks the rules of the confessional and gets excommunicated as a result.
lobeydosser
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“thing is she was introduced as a mother of established character's Jack's introduction was pointless, no character had previously mentioned being catholic”

Jack was introduced for the John Doe storyline - the fact tat he was a priest eventually explained his reluctance to take things further with Paige.

There are other characters who are, or have been Catholic = is Jack only supposed to talk to Catholics? Would you have expected Harold to confine all his social contacts to members of the Salvation Army?

Jack is no more pointless than anybody else - and a lot less pointless than some!
Jimmy Skitz
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by lobeydosser:
“Jack was introduced for the John Doe storyline - the fact tat he was a priest eventually explained his reluctance to take things further with Paige.

There are other characters who are, or have been Catholic = is Jack only supposed to talk to Catholics? Would you have expected Harold to confine all his social contacts to members of the Salvation Army?

Jack is no more pointless than anybody else - and a lot less pointless than some!”

having him be a Priest is pointless if we never see him doing it, just as it would be with Karl and Toadie, if none of the characters are Catholic why would we ever see Jack doing his Priestly duties?
The Sally Army wasn't Harold's job was it so that was a stupid point
fiagomez
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“having him be a Priest is pointless if we never see him doing it, just as it would be with Karl and Toadie, if none of the characters are Catholic why would we ever see Jack doing his Priestly duties?
The Sally Army wasn't Harold's job was it so that was a stupid point”

Buy we have seen him do lots of things as a Priest
like him doing the sermon, that awful episode of him organising the superhero rubbish for that wee girl, him in the confessional booth etc..
fiagomez
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“having him be a Priest is pointless if we never see him doing it, just as it would be with Karl and Toadie, if none of the characters are Catholic why would we ever see Jack doing his Priestly duties?
The Sally Army wasn't Harold's job was it so that was a stupid point”

And no one's points are stupid. They are all valid, even if you disagree with them..
There is no need to be rude.
clever3000
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“having him be a Priest is pointless if we never see him doing it, just as it would be with Karl and Toadie, if none of the characters are Catholic why would we ever see Jack doing his Priestly duties?
The Sally Army wasn't Harold's job was it so that was a stupid point”

Come on. This is a meant to be a nice thread!
B*witched
02-09-2016
Elly needs to go, she's dreadful and getting worse from the episodes I've seen lately. I'm no fan of Piper but I do feel for her at the moment. She's being treated unfairly by her teacher and doesn't seem to be getting much family support either.

LOL @ Paul's innuendos about fuse boxes and being 'good with my hands'. Can he and Terese please just admit they fancy the pants off each other and jump in the sack, the bickering is getting just a little tiresome now. Poor Madison losing her voice trying to referee the pair of them. Sweet girl, voice isn't strong enough for singing in my opinion but maybe it appeals to some.
Sweetiecat
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“why they suddenly felt the need for a Priest as a regular character is odd, I don't think they have ever had one before.”

They had Father Tom, Joe Scully's brother, and a bit of a dilemma with Susan Kennedy so pretty much the same storyline really.

http://perfectblend.net/neighbourhoo...scully-tom.htm
fiagomez
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Sweetiecat:
“They had Father Tom, Joe Scully's brother, and a bit of a dilemma with Susan Kennedy so pretty much the same storyline really.

http://perfectblend.net/neighbourhoo...scully-tom.htm”

Oh yeah! God, my memory is so rubbish!!
lobeydosser
02-09-2016
Originally Posted by Jimmy Skitz:
“having him be a Priest is pointless if we never see him doing it, just as it would be with Karl and Toadie, if none of the characters are Catholic why would we ever see Jack doing his Priestly duties?
The Sally Army wasn't Harold's job was it so that was a stupid point”

We have seen Jack doing his priest job - and some of the characters are Catholic. Did we ever see Rosie being a vicar? You seem to be saying Jack is pointless if there are no Catholics, which is why I made the (not stupid)point about Harold, as I believe he was the only Salvo!

You sill don't seem to get the point of why Jack was introduced - or maybe you just don't like Catholics?
Rebel Hamster
02-09-2016
I think Terese and Brad are dreadful parents, it's like they can't be bothered with their kids half the time. I know she plays up but they didn't even give Piper the benefit of the doubt. I think Brad is worse though, you wouldn't even know he lost a son this year, he acted like he had lost a £10 note when Josh died!

As for Elly, dreadful character, didn't like her in Home and Away either. Very unprofessional teacher and god knows what Ned sees in the Horse!

I wish Paige would just get a grip, I think Jack did the honourable thing of looking out for her but the way she reacted it seems like she would rather have been the target. She is another one that didn't seem to care when her relatives died, only cared about Jack. I wish she would just move on now and talk about someone other than Jack!
zx50
03-09-2016
I hope Susan is impartial when reviewing Elly's marking of Piper's work. Something needs to be done because otherwise Piper's going to end up with unfair bad marks as long as Elly's there. I can't believe that Brad and Terese are basically taking Elly's side over Piper's. Terese is putting her winning the competition between her and Paul above getting something done about Elly's unfair marking of Piper's work. Brad, he's just pathetic. I so hope that Susan gives Piper a higher mark and then Piper tells her parents just what she thinks of them for not supporting her. I liked Madison's miming and auto-tuned singing.
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