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Old 05-06-2016, 10:38
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Ali was certainly an important (& controversial!) sporting figure but I agree - all day was overkill I think. But equally others will think it the right decision.
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Old 05-06-2016, 11:08
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The weirdest part of yesterday was 3 people commenting on a fight only they could see as if we could all see what they were seeing.
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Old 05-06-2016, 14:43
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Muhammad Ali was more than just "some boxer" but I think a seven-hour tribute is going over the top, particularly as it was no longer breaking news during the evening. I understand that Radio 5 Live had some pre-records planned for Saturday night - it might have been better to have aired them as scheduled and then had Stephen Nolan's regular 10pm-1am timeslot devoted to tributes as well as some of Up All Night.

I think talkSPORT called it about right yesterday. They aired pre-recorded tributes to Ali at the beginning of their live general sports programmes (both at breakfast and in the afternoon) and had some reflective interviews booked for some of these shows. But they kept to their schedule as planned - which included a light-hearted show, a pre-recorded documentary and a show about football transfers - before having a proper three-hour tribute programme on between 9pm-midnight (which would otherwise have been a pretty generic football discussion programme, so it was the right call in my view to do a lengthy Ali tribute in that slot).
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Old 05-06-2016, 16:10
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90 minutes of the tribute was a repeat of the earlier programme. Some chat show interviews were supposed to be played in full in the penultimate hour.
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Old 06-06-2016, 05:01
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Muhammad Ali was more than just "some boxer" but I think a seven-hour tribute is going over the top, particularly as it was no longer breaking news during the evening. I understand that Radio 5 Live had some pre-records planned for Saturday night - it might have been better to have aired them as scheduled and then had Stephen Nolan's regular 10pm-1am timeslot devoted to tributes as well as some of Up All Night.

I think talkSPORT called it about right yesterday. They aired pre-recorded tributes to Ali at the beginning of their live general sports programmes (both at breakfast and in the afternoon) and had some reflective interviews booked for some of these shows. But they kept to their schedule as planned - which included a light-hearted show, a pre-recorded documentary and a show about football transfers - before having a proper three-hour tribute programme on between 9pm-midnight (which would otherwise have been a pretty generic football discussion programme, so it was the right call in my view to do a lengthy Ali tribute in that slot).
He was a boxer though, the best ever boxer by all accounts but beyond that, he may have done some good & been a famous figure but the whole media reaction seems to be way OTT IMO & 7 hours is a bit mental.

Was even Nelson Mandela 7 hours? Now, he was an amazing person and didn't rise to fame for hitting people round the head.
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Old 06-06-2016, 14:33
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I don't think the BBC has responded to any death with a 7-hour tribute programme before.
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Old 06-06-2016, 15:21
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He was a boxer though, the best ever boxer by all accounts but beyond that, he may have done some good & been a famous figure but the whole media reaction seems to be way OTT IMO & 7 hours is a bit mental.

Was even Nelson Mandela 7 hours? Now, he was an amazing person and didn't rise to fame for hitting people round the head.
I agree that the coverage in the media - generally rather than just the BBC alone - has been over the top, but to characterise him as just being a boxer is a bit obtuse. Ali transcended the sport, was influential to the civil rights movement and his refusal to be drafted by the US army lead to a Supreme Court cast that inspired a lot of people to have the courage of their conviction. So he's certainly someone who deserves recognition for more than just his sporting career.

I didn't listen to much Radio 5 Live at the time of Nelson Mandela's death, but from what I remember of this thread at the time of his death, the station provided wall-to-wall coverage of the reaction for the best part of a week. It wasn't so much a case of a seven hour programme being devoted to him (although as his death was announced just before 10pm, I guess the 10pm-1am show and the whole of Up All Night will have been devoted to Mandela), it was that programme after programme was dedicated to his death.

Extending the Nolan show from three hours to seven seems over the top in any circumstances. But I think for a sports-based station to do a two or three hour tribute programme to Ali on the day of his death, during what is probably one of the quietest sporting weekends of the year, is more than reasonable.
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Old 06-06-2016, 20:23
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5Live's reaction to Ali's death was very much over the top. The man was an icon to African Americans but in this country he was known as a boxing idol who extended his reputation with appearances on Parkinson's chat show. His demise deserves to be marked but not to the extent that it has been. This weekend it seemed that they were talking about him every time I turned on 5Live.
There seems to be a developing trend of over-celebrating the lives of people in the public eye, with each departing individual being given more airtime than the previous one. We had it with Mandela (who certainly was worthy of global recognition). This year we've had Bowie and some lesser music personalities, and now Ali. The problem is that producers seem to feel that each time someone dies they have to outdo what was done on the previous occasion.
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Old 06-06-2016, 20:55
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Wait till Lizzie pegs it......
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Old 07-06-2016, 19:29
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The BBC on the whole were more interested in Alis social impact than his amazing boxing career. Sums the BBC up really
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Old 07-06-2016, 22:44
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Is there a day goes by without Livesey making some tedious reference to one of his lads holidays abroad ?

Me,me,me,me,me,me,me.
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Old 08-06-2016, 13:24
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Peter Allen to limit shows to weekends where he will team back up with Jane Garvey, Emma Barnett to take over his daily slot and Nihal will be the new afternoon co-host with Sarah Brett. Details here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...adio_and_music
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Old 08-06-2016, 15:34
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Peter Allen to limit shows to weekends where he will team back up with Jane Garvey, Emma Barnett to take over his daily slot and Nihal will be the new afternoon co-host with Sarah Brett. Details here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...adio_and_music
Great to see Peter and Jane back together.

I will certainly not be listening to any of the replacements during the week. Probably the three worst presenters on the station and that's saying something.
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Old 08-06-2016, 17:53
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Peter Allen to limit shows to weekends where he will team back up with Jane Garvey, Emma Barnett to take over his daily slot and Nihal will be the new afternoon co-host with Sarah Brett. Details here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...adio_and_music
Thanks for the info statman_61.

Oh my goodness, Peter and Jane getting back together for a new show! That has genuinely made my day. Probably my favourite radio duo of all time. I remember they used to do Breakfast and Drive together. Great radio and always a quality listen.

I can take or leave the others but they both seem quite lightweight to me.
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Old 08-06-2016, 19:40
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Not surprised that Peter wants to wind down now that he's 70. He's been the serious journalistic voice of 5Live since it started. He deserves his time off but it will be a sad day when he finally goes for good.
As for Barnett and Brett, I find it difficult to recognise one young bright female voice from the other. Lightweights both, but all broadcasters have to start somewhere and gain experience, I suppose. But Nihal? Just no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no....pleeease!
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Old 08-06-2016, 19:56
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Emma Barnet may be originally from Manchester, but I doubt she'll be presenting the programme from there. So many shows now come from London, the past controversy over Derbyshire not moving North seems to have disappeared.

I have to laugh at Jonathan Wall's gushy selling of his presenters as though he were managing a commercial music station or BBC Local. Pity he isn't being replaced.
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Old 08-06-2016, 20:05
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IMHO Garvey is a sickening feminist who's personal opinion never fails to come through during interviews
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Old 08-06-2016, 20:33
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It will be great to have Jane and Peter back on together again. To me Sunday night on 5Live is currently dead air, this should make it listenable again.
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Old 08-06-2016, 20:58
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I wonder if Peter and Jane's programme will be live? And if so whether it will broadcast from London rather than Manchester. Also I wonder what time the programme will air. I'm assuming it will be something like 8pm to 10pm.
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Old 08-06-2016, 21:02
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I'm answering my own question here. It will air between 7.30pm to 10pm.

I think it would have been nice if it had aired on a Sunday morning between 10am and noon. I'll not really get a chance to listen in on a Sunday evening.
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Old 08-06-2016, 22:37
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Another jaw achingly funny little anecdote from Livesey today about his trunks splitting when he went for a swim this morning.

If you believe him that is.
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Old 08-06-2016, 22:55
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Another Nihal in the coffin. Strewth....
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Old 08-06-2016, 23:22
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Another jaw achingly funny little anecdote from Livesey today about his trunks splitting when he went for a swim this morning.

If you believe him that is.
Why would he lie about it?
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Old 09-06-2016, 00:02
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Who's said he's lied ? But everything has to be about him, he has to be the centre of attention. A little exaggeration here, a little sophistry there, anything as long as he can tell a tale that involves him. Every day.
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Old 09-06-2016, 01:54
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Brilliant news about Jane and Peter, but sadly not on at peak listening time. I thought it would only be a matter of time before Peter got fed up of the misery stories he has to deal with in the mornings. I hope Emma Barnett isn't another Victoria Derbyshire. She seems OK from what I have heard of her. If only they'd put her on 5 mornings a week instead of Adrian Chiles. I think Nihal is alright.
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