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Old 04-07-2016, 18:01
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I put my radio on today looking for political news from BBC 5 Live because of positive comments on this thread and I just got tennis so I went back to LBC and am still there and will be for the rest of the day.....
Yes, me too. I've hardly ever listened to LBC but I'm enjoying Iain Dale.
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:28
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George Riley on Breakfast: "what would Gary have said to the Wales team tonight?"

What an absurd, illogical, ridiculous question to ask his Father, Roger Speed.
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Old 06-07-2016, 10:45
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George Riley on Breakfast: "what would Gary have said to the Wales team tonight?"

What an absurd, illogical, ridiculous question to ask his Father, Roger Speed.
No it's not!
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Old 06-07-2016, 12:32
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This morning illustrated the dangers of broadcasting on location.

The ever excellent Peter Allen was trying to interview guests with knowledge of the issues raised by the Chilcot Report.

He was broadcasting live from parliament square. All you could hear was booming voices of demonstrators.

There is a lot to be said for studio based discussions.
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Old 06-07-2016, 16:09
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Those water cannons should have been given at least one use just for old times sake.
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Old 06-07-2016, 22:58
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That would have caused another lengthy inquiry that would have lasted several years. 5 Live would have devoted a day to the outcome of the inquiry, with the lead story being somebody describing who ever ordered the firing of the water cannons as the worst terrorist like ever, even worse than Tony Blair and George W. Bush.
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Old 06-07-2016, 23:18
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Don't know about anyone else but interviews with the families of dead soldiers are always my first port of call for a balanced opinion on the rights and wrongs of armed conflict. I'm just glad that 5live is positioning them front and centre, because I'd hate to miss out on their carefully considered opinions and detailed analysis
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Old 06-07-2016, 23:21
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I thought Duncan Barkes did a decent job. Dotun Adebayo on the other hand...

I think Rhod returns this week.

I am fed up with his lame music quiz and long sports segments. Glad Rhod is back.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:39
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The families of those who lost loved ones in Iraq had a right to express their views on a day like yesterday, and we should be prepared to hear the anguish they have gone through. It's part of the cost of the mistakes that were made in the days leading up to the invasion of Iraq. However, when they express extreme views in public ('Tony Blair is a terrorist' etc.) they should be prepared to have those views challenged. That is what was missing yesterday and again this morning when Nicky Campbell interviewed a grieving mother. The interviewers just allowed the family members to say their piece without challenging the rather extreme things some of them were saying.

Compare that to what happened to those who were involved in the decision to go to war, when interviewers quite rightly put opposing views to them and asked them to justify their actions.

While it was right to put the grieving families on the air, I think they were perhaps allowed a disproportionate amount of airtime and the media did not challenge them on some of their statements.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:50
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It's not an easy thing to challenge a family on a day like that, it would also be seen as insensitive by many, it's a very fine line, especially with the BBC.

Those who are moaning about how much they covered it are a bit deluded, it is a huge news story, the government went to war when it wasn't needed based on flimsy intelligence which is a pretty big worry IMO if we just invade countries whenever we like
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Old 07-07-2016, 22:22
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The families of those who lost loved ones in Iraq had a right to express their views on a day like yesterday, and we should be prepared to hear the anguish they have gone through.
Well we don't hear so much from the families who lost soldiers in other wars.

My problem is journalism goes out of the window. The families aren't scrutinised. Their opinions are not challenged. I can imagine the cheering in the news room when one of them said "Tony Blair is the world's worst terrorist" . What a headline.

It's one thing to say how devastated you are about losing your son, but quite another to get involved in the political discussions. Relatives who do the latter should be scrutinised as other politicians would be.

How many victims of Saddam Hussein did 5 Live interview? What about the relatives of Kurds gassed to death? There are Kurds all over this country. 5 Live could tell us whether any of them are here because of what Saddam Hussein's regime did to them?
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Old 07-07-2016, 22:43
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Well we don't hear so much from the families who lost soldiers in other wars.

My problem is journalism goes out of the window. The families aren't scrutinised. Their opinions are not challenged. I can imagine the cheering in the news room when one of them said "Tony Blair is the world's worst terrorist" . What a headline.

It's one thing to say how devastated you are about losing your son, but quite another to get involved in the political discussions. Relatives who do the latter should be scrutinised as other politicians would be.

How many victims of Saddam Hussein did 5 Live interview? What about the relatives of Kurds gassed to death? There are Kurds all over this country. 5 Live could tell us whether any of them are here because of what Saddam Hussein's regime did to them?
Excellent post. The unchallenged hyperbole of the relatives of the deceased is nauseating. What mustn't be forgotten is that they are a tiny percentage of the total, a few of who seem to be relishing the publicity and desperation to be offended . 'Our brave x was sent off to become a trained killer, but then someone he was trying to kill killed him. It's an outrage'. Just bore off.
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Old 07-07-2016, 22:55
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Well we don't hear so much from the families who lost soldiers in other wars.

My problem is journalism goes out of the window. The families aren't scrutinised. Their opinions are not challenged. I can imagine the cheering in the news room when one of them said "Tony Blair is the world's worst terrorist" . What a headline.

It's one thing to say how devastated you are about losing your son, but quite another to get involved in the political discussions. Relatives who do the latter should be scrutinised as other politicians would be.

How many victims of Saddam Hussein did 5 Live interview? What about the relatives of Kurds gassed to death? There are Kurds all over this country. 5 Live could tell us whether any of them are here because of what Saddam Hussein's regime did to them?
Why should the families be scrutinised in the way you suggest? One of my friend's relatives was killed in Iraq back in 2003 (he was one of the Red Caps shot dead by a 400 strong mob in June that year) and I can assure you that his family are still devastated by his death and they quite rightly have an extreme anger towards Tony Blair. Basically the families are angry because we invaded Iraq on seemingly a pack of lies and the troops didn't even have the right sort of equipment to help protect themselves.

The Kurds gassed to death were killed in the 1980s and there was enough coverage of that in the press and on Radio 4 at the time. And 5 Live have interviewed victims of Saddam Hussein on numerous occasions over the years. Of course when things are "closer to home" and it is a UK citizen that has been killed then the news is going to concentrate more on that.
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Old 08-07-2016, 11:01
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This morning illustrated the dangers of broadcasting on location.

The ever excellent Peter Allen was trying to interview guests with knowledge of the issues raised by the Chilcot Report.

He was broadcasting live from parliament square. All you could hear was booming voices of demonstrators.

There is a lot to be said for studio based discussions.
I agree, pity they couldn't have moved !
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Old 08-07-2016, 11:37
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Why should the families be scrutinised in the way you suggest? One of my friend's relatives was killed in Iraq back in 2003 (he was one of the Red Caps shot dead by a 400 strong mob in June that year) and I can assure you that his family are still devastated by his death and they quite rightly have an extreme anger towards Tony Blair. Basically the families are angry because we invaded Iraq on seemingly a pack of lies and the troops didn't even have the right sort of equipment to help protect themselves.

The Kurds gassed to death were killed in the 1980s and there was enough coverage of that in the press and on Radio 4 at the time. And 5 Live have interviewed victims of Saddam Hussein on numerous occasions over the years. Of course when things are "closer to home" and it is a UK citizen that has been killed then the news is going to concentrate more on that.
Indeed, and who spoke more eloquently on the day of the Chilcot Report that Reg Keys, Father of another Red Cap who died in the same incident? No hysteria, just calm, plain speaking stating the facts. Unlike Blair's 2 hour press conference of spin, which was disgraceful.

In June 2003, the Red Caps' Commanding Officer had already returned home, but they had to stay behind, having been descaled, ie their equipment was considerably reduced so it could be passed on to new arrivals. Consequently they were trapped with a baying mob of hundreds, 6 young men with no radio to call for back up, no grenades to disperse the attackers, and only 50 rounds of ammunition. They knew the situation was hopeless and they would be killed in the most appalling way. Our Prime Minister was responsible for that. If that was your son, would you not be angry? Especially, as Reg Keys so rightly said, his son "died in vain". What was the cause all about? Nothing tangible whatsoever.

As for the Kurds, some do phone up LBC, and I even had a Kurdish man deliver my shopping from Tesco the other week. He was a political prisoner kept in horrendous conditions and his family was killed under Saddam's regime. But even he was contemptuous of Bush and Blair and their motives for invasion. He described how Yazidis were treated now.
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Old 08-07-2016, 16:28
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Why should the families be scrutinised in the way you suggest?
They should only be scrutinised if they get involved in the politics of the war. If they make serious allegations about other people on a national radio station which reaches millions of people, those allegations should be given proper scrutiny. How would they like it if people started making allegations about them on 5 Live?
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Old 09-07-2016, 00:10
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Oh goody, they've got dreadful woman who make Chas and Dave sound like Brian Sewell doing the paper review. Thick as mince too.
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Old 09-07-2016, 16:45
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I felt really uncomfortable listening to Nolan last night.

The second he got the Andrea Leadsom story he was well away. It could be that she deserves all she gets, but no matter what anyone said to him he seemed very anxious to stir the pot to the point that he was ringing Edwina Currie miles away in South Africa to confirm how bad it all was.

He talked about "Tonight this programme has spoken to..." and "This story is breaking as we are on air......" I bet the famous Orson Wells hoax sounded just like Nolan last night.
It reminded me of Chris Morris's On The Hour, it sounded like a parody of a radio programme.

He fuelled the flames and I got the real feel that he would not only assemble the posse but he would also lead you to her door. All with caveats about how even handed and impartial he was.

In the eyes of many he may have done an outstanding job of dealing with breaking news story in a tense political climate.

To me, and it is only one opinion, I just thought it was the kind of lynch mob journalism that is well beneath the BBC.

Like I say, I have no truck with Andrea Leadsom, at best what she said was crass. But if Nolan wants to know how to handle stuff like this, try listening to Chris Warburton this morning. He did a great job.
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Old 10-07-2016, 09:24
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What a cantankerous, irritating, incompetent fool Stephen Nolan was last night, especially in the Paper Review with Esther McVey and Austin Mitchell.
Stop saying "Hold on, hold on" to guests when they are speaking sense. His elaborate defending of BBC News over Cliff Richard was pathetic!
I used to think he struggled with foreign names, no! It's every name, hence "Lebson" on several occasions. He's supposed to be a professional broadcaster on National radio.....?!
As I've said before, Lord Reith would be turning in his grave.
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Old 11-07-2016, 10:43
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"My-loss Ravenich"........ even though 5live had been saying the name Milos Raonic all day long.
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Old 11-07-2016, 22:07
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Just wait till the do a filum of his life, Nolan will be in contrived mispronunciation heaven.
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Old 11-07-2016, 22:07
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Totally agree with the comments on Nolan. He was appalling as the story was breaking. As for his pronunciation of names, it just isn't up to the standard of any decent broadcaster never mind on the BBC. He was very rude to the newspaper reviewers.
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Old 11-07-2016, 22:11
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Yes, me too. I've hardly ever listened to LBC but I'm enjoying Iain Dale.
I'm surprised 5live haven't tried to poach Iain Dale. He's pretty level headed, he would have to tone down the act slightly but he's certainly a possibility for 5live. He is a interesting listen, knows a lot about a lot of subjects and has some big contacts in politics. His LBC drive show is a class act and by far the best thing on the radio at that time.

I doubt though he would be interested in 5live as he also runs a publishing company so can't see him going to manchester everyday and i doubt he would want a weekend show unless he was fired from LBC. Obviously he can't do both as Global would never allow it.
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Old 12-07-2016, 11:40
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I'm surprised 5live haven't tried to poach Iain Dale. He's pretty level headed, he would have to tone down the act slightly but he's certainly a possibility for 5live. He is a interesting listen, knows a lot about a lot of subjects and has some big contacts in politics. His LBC drive show is a class act and by far the best thing on the radio at that time.

I doubt though he would be interested in 5live as he also runs a publishing company so can't see him going to manchester everyday and i doubt he would want a weekend show unless he was fired from LBC. Obviously he can't do both as Global would never allow it.
Well Iain Dale kept on his Friday night paper reviewer stint on Nolan for a while whilst at LBC, until he gave it up for "work-life balance" reasons.

But as he said himself, why would he leave LBC to work for the BBC and lose his ability to speak freely and openly? He'd have to tow the BBC Independence line, and he wouldn't want to be that restricted as a broadcaster.

He has expressed an interest in doing a show like R4's The World Tonight, but I doubt on a permanent basis for long. He also said he was looking into resurrecting What The Papers Say on LBC after R4 axed it. I hope it happens.
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Old 12-07-2016, 19:17
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I'm surprised 5live haven't tried to poach Iain Dale. He's pretty level headed, he would have to tone down the act slightly but he's certainly a possibility for 5live. He is a interesting listen, knows a lot about a lot of subjects and has some big contacts in politics.
I think 5 Live has enough presenters and reporters who have good political knowledge. I don't see the need for more political shows. How would they be different to what is already on the station?
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