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Old 16-05-2016, 14:27
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<<<< firmly in the camp that can't fathom how or why Jack Wilshere is an automatic selection
Don't worry we are all friends here!

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Old 16-05-2016, 15:34
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Seems a bit light to me. I don't think he'll make the squad, but I also don't think Rashford should be in the 26.
Dier is a certainty

Drinkwater will get dropped, which I don't agree with over Henderson
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Old 16-05-2016, 15:54
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Dier is a certainty

Drinkwater will get dropped, which I don't agree with over Henderson
I have just re-read my post and it's terribly worded. I meant I didn't think Rashford would make the squad but I can see how it clearly doesn't read like that.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:25
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From the Liverpool players in that squad the only one I disagree with is Henderson. I don't want him playing, he's been injured all season, even when he's played he was carrying an on-going injury. I want him to sit this one out and get a proper rest over the summer. He's never really been great for England either, he'll just get criticised a lot, and not just because he's had a poor game.

Of the others, Sturridge, Milner, Lallana, and Clyne are all fine, and I've had had all of them in my squad. I've posted stats elsewhere on Lallana and Milner to show why they deserve to go, because they've had great seasons (especially James Milner) and so deserve to go on merit.

I'm fine with Wilshere going. If he is fit, he can be useful. Just as long as we don't end up relying on him and needing him to hit the ground running we'll be fine.

I'm assuming if Rashford does go he'll take the place of the injured Welbeck. It might be early for him but the experience can be valuable. It's been likened to Walcott going under Sven but it could turn out to be like Michael Owen in 1998. As long as he's not rushed in and feels the pressure from media hype, and isn't damaged from the criticism you get for playing for England then he'll be fine.

Townsend is one people disagree with, and I can understand why, but like Welbeck he seems to play well for England, always seems to get a goal. Hopefully he's not in the starting XI, though.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:29
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Thing is, surprisingly there doesn't seem to be much complaining at the mo about Townsend, on here at least.
I'm Pro his selection as well.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:30
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Townsend's one I've never been convinced by but he almost seemed to be dragging Newcastle back from the cliff edge at times since signing so he's played his way in. Bit of drive that Walcott seems to have lacked, I think he's a decent option off the bench.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:31
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Townsend has been fantastic since he joined Newcastle, he's been their one shining light this season. He's in much better form than Sterling at the moment, even before Sterling's injury.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:45
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Just hope the likes of Sturridge and Whilshere keep fit - they are good England players but must be doubts over how fit the latter is.
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Old 16-05-2016, 16:48
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I'm another who has never thought too much about Townsend until this season. I've been really impressed with the controlled passion and incisive running he has shown with Newcastle. He deserves his place in my view.

My real problem is with Stones, I just don't rate him at all as a defender and his season seems littered with blunders. I have a dreadful feeling he could cost England badly if he is in the starting line up. I appreciate he has been a regular for Everton, but his manager is/was even more clueless about defending than Stones seems to be - I just hope Stones has not absorbed all Martinez has told him about defending. I wouldn't have him anywhere near the England squad.
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Old 16-05-2016, 17:16
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Townsend has to go. Like others, I don't rate him at all, but his recent form suggests he'd be a very useful option off the bench at least.
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:20
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Is Phil Jones injured ?

or just not good enough at the moment ?
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:26
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I had not noticed that Delph was in the squad earlier, he is a certainty to be cut.

The rest of the squad and the other two players to miss out will be dependent on where Rooney is expected to play.
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:34
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Two weeks ago, I would never have believed the biggest criticism of an England squad would be not having Jermaine Defoe in it. He's had his time, never been great for England, never been terrible.

The biggest criticism of Hodgson and his three predecessors has always been favouring the same old, tired squads and not playing the kids and I have missed an about turn where now 33 year olds get in over 18 year olds.
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:38
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The rest of the squad and the other two players to miss out will be dependent on where Rooney is expected to play.
Sadly no chance of that being on a sunny beach for the duration.
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:41
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<<<< firmly in the camp that can't fathom how or why Jack Wilshere is an automatic selection
He has been man of the match in his last three England matches and sensational in a couple.

He's also the most skilful and composed English footballer since Gascoigne and bar Hoddle too the best in my 35 years of watching football.

It hasn't been fully evident with a manager who sapped some of the world class talent out of Reyes, Arshavin, Podolski, Kanu, Vela and others over time.
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Old 16-05-2016, 19:51
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I'm a Defoe fan but any call for his inclusion in Welbeck's absence was never going to happen, they play completely different roles for England.
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Old 16-05-2016, 20:05
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Is Phil Jones injured ?

or just not good enough at the moment ?
Both I would say
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Old 16-05-2016, 20:06
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Rashford should be nowhere near.
Same for Wiltshire and Henderson as they are both fitness risks.
Why chance it ??
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Old 16-05-2016, 20:08
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Because you never use all the outfield players in a squad anyway.
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Old 16-05-2016, 20:15
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Rashford should be nowhere near.
Same for Wiltshire and Henderson as they are both fitness risks.
Why chance it ??
Rashford won't make the squad. Chill

Don't see any harm including him in 26
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Old 16-05-2016, 20:38
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Delph, Drinkwater and Rashford to be cut from the 26.

Henderson should be cut instead of Drinkwater but Hodgson won't leave Liverpool's captain out.
Drinkwater deserves a place IMHO & Rashford i am open minded however he only has one friendly to prove himselve but if he plays well & scores then i take him. Young & fearless.
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Old 16-05-2016, 21:06
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Oh great, another Tournament with James Milner, a player who has yet to put in a single good performance for England. Seriously, can anyone point out any game where Milner has played well for England ? He has been involved in the last 3 tournaments and every game he has played in he has been awful.

Wilshere shouldn't be anywhere near that team either. He's had 1 start all season, it's a slap in the face to the players that have played all season.

Rashford is another. He's nowhere near ready for this level. It's England though, we always feel we need to bring a youngster through before they have a chance to learn.

Delph is the biggest piss take though. He has played 20 times this season for City, 12 in the league and most of his appearances have been as a second half sub. Wilshere is a joke decision, but at least he has proven he can be a good player at times, Delph has looked like nothing but average his whole career.

I'm sure Rooney will start too, a player who's legs have obviously gone, a player who will just completely slow our midfield down.

Same mistakes made in the build up to a tournament made once again by England. They never learn.
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Old 16-05-2016, 21:08
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Rashford should be nowhere near.
Same for Wiltshire and Henderson as they are both fitness risks.
Why chance it ??
Because it's England. I honestly don't know how many times the same mistakes need to be made before they finally get it right.
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Old 16-05-2016, 21:46
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Oh great, another Tournament with James Milner, a player who has yet to put in a single good performance for England. Seriously, can anyone point out any game where Milner has played well for England ? He has been involved in the last 3 tournaments and every game he has played in he has been awful.

Wilshere shouldn't be anywhere near that team either. He's had 1 start all season, it's a slap in the face to the players that have played all season.

Rashford is another. He's nowhere near ready for this level. It's England though, we always feel we need to bring a youngster through before they have a chance to learn.

Delph is the biggest piss take though. He has played 20 times this season for City, 12 in the league and most of his appearances have been as a second half sub. Wilshere is a joke decision, but at least he has proven he can be a good player at times, Delph has looked like nothing but average his whole career.

I'm sure Rooney will start too, a player who's legs have obviously gone, a player who will just completely slow our midfield down.

Same mistakes made in the build up to a tournament made once again by England. They never learn.
So that's Milner, Wilshere, Rooney, Rashford and Delph who shouldn't be in the squad, then.

Who goes instead?
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Old 16-05-2016, 21:49
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How is Fabian Delph in the squad when he has hardly played this season
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