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Old 17-05-2016, 17:48
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It has to be more than just anger issues! He killed Lucy and next week he
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What has caused him to turn into such a psycho?! It has to be more than just a mental health issue because he knows what he's doing in the moment in time and doesn't even show any remorse (like pushing Jane down the stairs, he was hardly hysterical as you'd expect your kid to be if he thought he had killed you!) Even the flashback episode showed him blaming Lucy "she started it".

I know Jane said when she came into the room he was desperately trying to wake up Lucy, but he seemed to recover fairly fast from that! It's chilling really how angry he is and I don't understand where it's come from - Peter and Lucy received the exact same upbringing and didn't turn unhinged.

Nevertheless, there is definitely something wrong with Bobby (everyone knows it apart from Ian and Jane, they really do know it too deep down but I guess are in denial) and I'm looking forward to see where they take this. It must be unique to soap as I've never heard of a "child murderer/pyscho" plot being covered before
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Old 17-05-2016, 17:53
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To me it just seems something they have invented. Bobby has never been a problem child. In fact we barely saw him. But after killing Lucy, the writers seemed to of come up with a plan that Bobby is deranged and that he may of always been that way. But i believe Bobby would of at least displayed these tendancies much earlier than when he killed Lucy

Even norman bates and hannibal lector didn't just suddenly start killing people. There were years and small signs of odd behaviour beforehand.
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Old 17-05-2016, 17:57
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There's lots of interesting discussion around whether someone is born or a psychopath, whether they become one due to upbringing/other factors, or whether it's a mixture of both. I watched a documentary on it a year or so ago, I think in ch4, and the general impression I got from that is that psychopathy is basically a spectrum and the brain is wired differently for those on the extreme end of it.

I think with Bobby it's more likely to be the way his brain works rather than any particularly influential factors in his upbringing. Someone like Ben, though, who does occasionally show traits of psychopathy, is much more likely to be a result of his difficult upbringing.

Like you I'm quite interested to see where they take it with Bobby. I'd imagine he would go to some sort of correctional facility for the next few years (once the whole truth comes out) and then return as an even more troubled teenager.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:02
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Bobby has grown up with 2 or 3 older siblings at a time, who have given Ian and Jane problems-Lucy was a troubled teenager, Peter has been OK from what I can remember, Steven shot Jane and tried to run away with Lucy and Cindy fell pregnant and Ian didn't have the best father/daughter relationship with her. Maybe he picked up on the tension and bottled it in until he started losing his temper-it can happen.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:04
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It would good for EE to actually cover what has caused his anger issues. The good thing about the new EP is that he is actually a really good researcher, so I think we will see an end to shock plots and more stuff grounded in reality. Maybe his first task will be sorting out this plot.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:07
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Bobby has grown up with 2 or 3 older siblings at a time, who have given Ian and Jane problems-Lucy was a troubled teenager, Peter has been OK from what I can remember, Steven shot Jane and tried to run away with Lucy and Cindy fell pregnant and Ian didn't have the best father/daughter relationship with her. Maybe he picked up on the tension and bottled it in until he started losing his temper-it can happen.
Bobby always had a few issues as well. I can remember him covering the Beale's wall in tomato sauce once which might not seem like much as all kids make a mess but it basically a whole episode of it of how naughty Bobby was. It was ten years ago and not relevant to this plot but works as good foreshadowing now.

Then as you say Lucy was forever in trouble as a teenager that must have had an effect on him. I think Ian doing a runner and becoming homeless while Lucy had to then bring him up probably also caused some issues. In fact the more you look at the Beale's its clear to see why he is messed up in the head.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:08
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Ian is his father! Dead Laura was his mother! Oh and DumbGary brought him up for a couple of months!

Nuff said!!
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:39
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I have always thought psychopaths are just born with different brains to normal people and are not made that way by society/family.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:42
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Who knows what makes Bobby tick. Parents on EE spend very little time with their kids and never talk to them in any meaningful way. For all we know Bobby has been off doing all sorts....all those missing pets could be down to him.
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Old 17-05-2016, 18:44
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Now I'm quoting myself


Ian's and Jane's parenting styles. Kids need structure, boundaries and a sense of stability . Ian tends to be very hot and cold and instead of parenting his children , likes to throw money at them to get them to behave . Jane is a clinger , unable to let go and in constant need of being needed . Together they turned Bobby into a kid that expects all his wants and needs to be fulfilled immediately, associating money and material gifts with affection while being unable to grow up and gain independence.
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Old 17-05-2016, 21:10
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I have always thought psychopaths are just born with different brains to normal people and are not made that way by society/family.
Comme to think it I always have too! Not sure why I asked that now, maybe because he's so young and he never showed any signs of psychopathic tendencies before he killed Lucy. I remember DTC saying the plot would follow the real life We Need to Talk About Kevin book. Obviously he's now leaving so I hope the new producer continues with that and we see Bobby's journey, get in an insight into his mind and just how genuinely twisted he is! Apparently he
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Those aren't the actions of a normal, functioning person
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Old 17-05-2016, 21:12
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I think he watched too much EastEnders as a child.
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Old 17-05-2016, 21:13
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Having Beale the squeal as a father
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Old 17-05-2016, 23:27
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Jim Fallon - a world famous Neuroscientist is a psychopath.

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...hopath/282271/

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Psychopath-.../dp/1591846005

The most important thing is upbringing, they are born different and are almost like a different species - and have been in positions of power from the beginning.

You will have known several, over 1% of the population are psychopaths they tend to be very popular because they are so manipulative and choose their chosen victims very carefully to make them outcasts or ruin their chances of promotion etc.

Lying and cruelty are integral to such people and they are very clever a simulating normal emotions and empathy - which they simply do not possess.

Very few turn to crime - most are at the top of their chosen professions (precisely because of their lack of empathy, superficial charm, manipulative ability, ruthlessness and total willingness to sacrifice others for their own advancement) - which is why the world is such a screwed up place and has been since the dawn of history.

http://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs...ychopath_1.jpg
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Old 17-05-2016, 23:27
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Old 17-05-2016, 23:36
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He murdered his own mother whilst barely a toddler. The bloke has been a hardened criminal all his life, and has only ever known brutal uncompromising violence. Then he was snatched by McBeale, a vicious brute of a woman who has ruined the life of every person under 25 that she's ever come into contact with:

Bob - Murdered 3 people, tried to kill 3 more, about to cave McBeale's head in.
MyCindy - McBeale tried to steal her baby then drove her out of the country.
MyLauren - Held captive by McBeales step-son in New Zealand.
Steven - So frightened of Evil McBeale that he had to shoot her to get away.
Peter - A drug dealing, lowlife, impotent scumbag that has absolutely no friends and suffers from severe erectile dysfunction.
Lucy - Enough said.
Liam - Driven out of the country.

Bob's doing okay compared to some of them.
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Old 17-05-2016, 23:46
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Bobby has anger issues and lashes out. When he killed Lucy (accidentally, he obviously didn't intend to kill her) he just wanted his family to get along - he explained he knew Lucy was causing lots of problems at home. Which she was.

Shortly beforehand Ian had his breakdown, his Mother moved to a different soap and we've not even seen him ask about his maternal family yet - does he even know he's adopted? Don't even get me started on how messed up it must be to discover your grandmother faked her death.

I'd say initially his anger stemmed from a lack of stability and his inability to control his life. Obviously he has had mood swings since then and he's now fast approaching his teenage years.

Ultimately his parents didn't deal with his anger issues and are now taking away his school, which offers him stability. He is going to lash out again because he cannot control his own life and make everything around him into his ideal.

Plus the cherry on the top is they know he knows he killed his sister and sent him away to deal with it all on his own. No wonder he is messed up more than ever!
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Old 18-05-2016, 00:00
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When Bobby hit Lucy it was a genuine accident and just a small boy getting angry at his trouble making sister who had caused arguing in the family (a one time thing). Then again Ben accidentally killed Heather.

Bobby's behavior was always normal but ever since he was announced as the killer, he has been portrayed as a psycho. When Ian told Bobby he killed Lucy, Bobby didn't seem that shocked or upset (not sure why the writers made this so, since a boy just found out he killed his sister). I think it would've been more believable if Bobby had anger issues as a child instead of giving him storylines like cheating in a singing contest or losing a snake in Dot's house....

The current Bobby actor wasn't even in the show when Lucy was killed! Apart from the flashback episode, the actor was only introduced when he ran away from Jane and was found sleeping on the Common.

Also it seems to be forgotten that Denny overhead Phil and Sharon saying Bobby killed Lucy (off screen). That was the reason why Bobby hurt Denny at the Common. Although Denny probably didn't believe it anyway and just wanted to taunt Bobby.
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Old 18-05-2016, 00:02
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Old 18-05-2016, 00:04
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Nevertheless, there is definitely something wrong with Bobby
Living with ian does strange things to people.
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Old 18-05-2016, 00:05
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The major problem with Bobby reveal was that the character had only ever been an extra. He'd been missing for months and grown a new head. At that time it was Denny who was better known to audience and had behaviour problems. It's not as though young kids hadn't become known to EE audience over the years so picking one that had never been developed was just odd and fell flat.
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Old 18-05-2016, 00:06
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Living with ian does strange things to people.
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Old 18-05-2016, 05:03
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When in doubt, blame video games.
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Old 18-05-2016, 10:00
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Bad scriptwriting for an implausible character.
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