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EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'
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jzee
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by LucyDTrym:
“I thought the cockpit was now always on lock down so no one can get in? There are two pilots arent they.

It could be mechanical failure yet, didnt the tail fall off one of these a few years back.

I am going to wait and see what transpires. Not so long ago when a plane crashed we hardly heard much about it, now its 247 on the news and always a terrorist attack. Planes crash sadly for all sorts of reasons. Rarely by terrorism..... If it was a terrorist attack then it shows even with all the attacks in Paris recently no one has learnt lessons on security have they.”

I don't know that that is implemented worldwide. There's also the possibility that one of the pilots or co pilots was radicalized.
skp20040
20-05-2016
They have now found debris and body parts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36339614
francie
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“They have now found debris and body parts

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36339614”

Just catching up on today's events and am saddened to hear this. RIP and condolences to all those affected. xxx
d0lphin
20-05-2016
My own feeling is that it was a hijacking, judging by the fact that the plane swerved before crashing into the sea. The big question is how did someone manage it when there were 3 air marshalls on board (and if this is the case it rather defeats the point of having air marshalls)

A bigger concern is that if it was a bomb, then how on earth did someone get a bomb on board. We know the plane was recently in Eritrea and Tunisia, and could have been put on board then, so my question is what kinds of checks are there inbetween flights?
francie
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by d0lphin:
“My own feeling is that it was a hijacking, judging by the fact that the plane swerved before crashing into the sea. The big question is how did someone manage it when there were 3 air marshalls on board (and if this is the case it rather defeats the point of having air marshalls)

A bigger concern is that if it was a bomb, then how on earth did someone get a bomb on board. We know the plane was recently in Eritrea and Tunisia, and could have been put on board then, so my question is what kinds of checks are there inbetween flights?”

Wouldn't an onboard bomb, exploding mid air, scatter debris?
Bizza
20-05-2016
If this were a terrorist attack someone would've claimed responsibility for it by now, mechanical failure is a much more likely cause for this disaster.
all_night
20-05-2016
Breaking tonight that the smoke alarm signal from the toilet went off followed by several other signals just before the plane went down. Data from automatic information sent to manufacture.
jzee
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bizza:
“If this were a terrorist attack someone would've claimed responsibility for it by now, mechanical failure is a much more likely cause for this disaster.”

Not the case, responsibility is often left for weeks to create more paranoia & confusion. Sometimes it's never claimed or claimed falsely.
Grafenwalder
20-05-2016
The internet fakes and rumour mongers already started. Some pretty sick minds out there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36340610
francie
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by all_night:
“Breaking tonight that the smoke alarm signal from the toilet went off followed by several other signals just before the plane went down. Data from automatic information sent to manufacture.”

Have you a link? nothing on Reuters/BBC etc

Edit - just noticed on BBC. Thanks.
francie
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“The internet fakes and rumour mongers already started. Some pretty sick minds out there.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36340610”

I'd be more surprised if these cretins didn't.
Dix
20-05-2016
Originally Posted by all_night:
“Breaking tonight that the smoke alarm signal from the toilet went off followed by several other signals just before the plane went down. Data from automatic information sent to manufacture.”

Heard that too, and thought of a passenger having a fag in the loo, which would set off the alarms. First thought re body parts is that it could from a Migrant, and until the authorities are sure who it was, then there's only speculation.

Seems that Aviation Herald has some data. Anti Ice R window, R Sliding Window sensor, Smoke Lavatory Smoke, Avionics Smoke, R Fixed Window Sensor, Auto FLT FCU 2 Fault, F/CTL SEC 3 Fault.

No further ACARS messages were received.

All I can add is R.I.P to all the people on that plane!

The above data means Fire on Board. Havent the link for the Herald as husb read it all out to me.
Last edited by Dix : 20-05-2016 at 23:59
d'@ve
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bizza:
“If this were a terrorist attack someone would've claimed responsibility for it by now, mechanical failure is a much more likely cause for this disaster.”

Well a small bomb could start a fire rather than blast a hole (or both) so that's a possibility given the reported smoke in toilet followed by avionics smoke and loss of ACARS data 3 minutes later. But so could other things.

I guess a cockpit struggle, hijack or suicide pilot seem less likely now, and it's tilting towards a small explosive device or incendiary quickly burning through to and through control cables. That could have led to a rapid loss of control and the reported twists and turns before loss of contact but other possibilities remain.
laurielou
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Dix:
“Heard that too, and thought of a passenger having a fag in the loo, which would set off the alarms. First thought re body parts is that it could from a Migrant, and until the authorities are sure who it was, then there's only speculation.

Seems that Aviation Herald has some data. Anti Ice R window, R Sliding Window sensor, Smoke Lavatory Smoke, Avionics Smoke, R Fixed Window Sensor, Auto FLT FCU 2 Fault, F/CTL SEC 3 Fault.

No further ACARS messages were received.

All I can add is R.I.P to all the people on that plane!

The above data means Fire on Board. Havent the link for the Herald as husb read it all out to me.”

Huh?? Why would it be "a Migrant"? Migrant to/from where? Sadly, I think what's been found could be from any of the passengers or crew as a result of the crash. Fire on board could be caused by a lot of things - mechanical failure, bomb...
occy
21-05-2016
The flight had flown a number of destinations Tunsia , Brussels, Paris and Cario with in the 24 hour slot. It was a sort of hop on hop off flight. There was no cargo reportly in broad. So a small explosive device was put on where. Why would someone want to blow up a small aircraft too? Technical fault? Or simply does Eygpician authorities know what actually went wrong and keeping it from the media?
PaleHorse
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by Bizza:
“If this were a terrorist attack someone would've claimed responsibility for it by now, mechanical failure is a much more likely cause for this disaster.”

Not necessarily. If you'll recall, the San Bernardino attackers were lone wolf ISIS sympathisers who had never actually had any contact with Syria or terrorist cells affiliated with ISIS and Syria. We only had complete confirmation of the attackers' motivations when the US government essentially admitted to having suppressed and covered up that aspect of the aftermath. Of course Western society, as is the norm nowadays, had no discernible reaction to such a revelation beyond passive disinterest in their own inevitable destruction.
Girth
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by PaleHorse:
“ Of course Western society, as is the norm nowadays, had no discernible reaction to such a revelation beyond passive disinterest in their own inevitable destruction.”

Wake up sheeple!
mick r
21-05-2016
A incredible coincidence 804 days since MH370 vanished

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-crash-8011492
d0lphin
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by mick r:
“A incredible coincidence 804 days since MH370 vanished

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...-crash-8011492”

Yes, I read that earlier - nothing more than a co-incidence though....

So the latest is that there was smoke on board, looking more like a bomb but one small enough not to blow the whole plane up instantly (due to reports that the plane swerved) Those poor people on board when it happened and potentially knowing they were doomed
I asked this earlier and haven't seen an answer here or elsewhere, but what sort of checks are there inbetween flights? It's all very well having tight security at the airports but a bomb could have been put on by someone in an airport with less security or a member of staff with security clearance. A lot of questions raised,
all_night
21-05-2016
It is looking like for a few minutes the passengers would have had some indication something was very wrong. Hopefully they find the black boxes soon. Those poor people on board.

Edit: CBS News reporting the black boxes have been located.
PaleHorse
21-05-2016
Apparently the black box has been found '3 to 4 nautical miles from the crash site'.
bri160356
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by jzee:
“Not the case, responsibility is often left for weeks to create more paranoia & confusion. Sometimes it's never claimed or claimed falsely.”

That is correct. When the Russian Metrojet flight 9268 crashed on October 31st last year it was several weeks before ISIS claimed responsibility. A claim we now know to be valid.
all_night
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“That is correct. When the Russian Metrojet flight 9268 crashed on October 31st last year it was several weeks before ISIS claimed responsibility. A claim we now know to be valid. ”

A claim was made late on the same day or next day but it was dismissed by most but then everything started unraveling and it became clear they were telling the truth.
d0lphin
21-05-2016
Originally Posted by all_night:
“It is looking like for a few minutes the passengers would have had some indication something was very wrong. Hopefully they find the black boxes soon. Those poor people on board.

Edit: CBS News reporting the black boxes have been located.”

I don't think Sky have reported this yet and they're usually pretty quick. How long does it take to analyse black box data? (I appreciate it has only been located not retrieved yet)
Tassium
21-05-2016
The smoke was apparently from the cockpit/ front toilet.

http://theflight.info/wp-content/upl..._A320_ver1.jpg

I think there is a suggestion the front/side windows went out as well.


So a device in the toilet?
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