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If it's true, an odd contradiction re there not being a distress call.
EgyptAir flight MS804 pilot spoke with air traffic control 'for several minutes just before crash' http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7041936.html So it seems likely that mere speculation is being reported as fact by The Independent. |
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Elsewhere the claim is that the French TV report merely claimed this is what would have happened, not that it did happen.
So it seems likely that mere speculation is being reported as fact by The Independent. |
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" An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before disappearing, an Egyptian official says.
The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished from radar early on Thursday. Greece's defence minister said the plane turned 90 degrees left and then did a 360-degree turn towards the right before plummeting. But a senior Egyptian aviation official said there was no unusual movement. Ehab Azmy, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, told Associated Press the plane had been flying at its normal height of 37,000ft (11,280m) before dropping off the radar. Some debris has since been found. "That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about the aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar," he said " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36365256 |
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Was chatting earlier with friend about the crashes (particularly into the sea) that have happened in recent years and both wondered why the "pingers" only last about 30 days. Anyway did a Google and came across this article http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egy...-idUKKCN0YE1RX . It seems AirFrance, amongst others, haven't been slow in implementing the longer lasting batteries. 2018 seems a long way off.
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" An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before disappearing, an Egyptian official says.
The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished from radar early on Thursday. Greece's defence minister said the plane turned 90 degrees left and then did a 360-degree turn towards the right before plummeting. But a senior Egyptian aviation official said there was no unusual movement. Ehab Azmy, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, told Associated Press the plane had been flying at its normal height of 37,000ft (11,280m) before dropping off the radar. Some debris has since been found. "That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about the aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar," he said " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36365256 Tomorrow some Minister will say the plane didnt crash and it landed safely.
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Tomorrow some Minister will say the plane didnt crash and it landed safely.
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It's bad enough without all this stuff from Greece and Egypts officials.
As the Americans say, what gives? |
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" An EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean did not swerve and change direction before disappearing, an Egyptian official says.
The Airbus A320 was en route from Paris to Cairo with 66 people aboard when it vanished from radar early on Thursday. Greece's defence minister said the plane turned 90 degrees left and then did a 360-degree turn towards the right before plummeting. But a senior Egyptian aviation official said there was no unusual movement. Ehab Azmy, the head of Egypt's state-run provider of air navigation services, told Associated Press the plane had been flying at its normal height of 37,000ft (11,280m) before dropping off the radar. Some debris has since been found. "That fact degrades what the Greeks are saying about the aircraft suddenly losing altitude before it vanished from radar," he said " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36365256 They say the plane swerved left and right, then it's reported that smoke was detected and the pilots chatted about this, then all these things are denied. Surely officials making statements should be certain that they have actual facts before they open their mouths? I know people are desperate for answers but isn't it hugely irresponsible and stupid to make statements that simply aren't true? Far better, surely, to keep quiet until verifiable facts can be gathered. |
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So what, exactly, are the facts as we know them?
They say the plane swerved left and right, then it's reported that smoke was detected and the pilots chatted about this, then all these things are denied. Surely officials making statements should be certain that they have actual facts before they open their mouths? I know people are desperate for answers but isn't it hugely irresponsible and stupid to make statements that simply aren't true? Far better, surely, to keep quiet until verifiable facts can be gathered. Admittedly, many of those criticisms come from armchair experts who seem to think that when a plane crashes, the rescuers turn up at the exact spot within half an hour, collect wreckage from the surface, lean over the side of the boat and grab the black boxes, haul them aboard, open them up and there inside is a written account of exactly what happened! I mean, how hard can it be?
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Obviously not following EgyptAir's twitter " EGYPTAIR Calls for media resources to be assured of the information they post or release and to abide by the official press releases issued by EGYPTAIR media center."
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I agree ... but, I'd also have to say that everyone involved is in an impossible situation. If they say nothing, they're accused of 'concealing the facts', 'not caring about the families of those who died because those people deserve answers and they're not getting any', or the old classic of 'it's a cover-up'!
Admittedly, many of those criticisms come from armchair experts who seem to think that when a plane crashes, the rescuers turn up at the exact spot within half an hour, collect wreckage from the surface, lean over the side of the boat and grab the black boxes, haul them aboard, open them up and there inside is a written account of exactly what happened! I mean, how hard can it be? ![]() It shouldn't be too hard, surely, just to say honestly what has been found and what hasn't at any given time and that 'no conclusions can yet be drawn'. As if it wasn't bad enough for the families without being able to trust what they're being told. |
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Fact is that we can't even trust the latest "correction" issued from Egypt. We'll have to await the preliminary investigation findings before being able to do that. Until then, the spokesmen and media will just have to carry on guessing and I have no doubt that they will do just that.
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Does the lack of a a terrorist organisation claiming they did it make it more likely it was some kind of technical failure? They aren't usually that slow in saying, "it was us".
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Does the lack of a a terrorist organisation claiming they did it make it more likely it was some kind of technical failure? They aren't usually that slow in saying, "it was us".
To my mind, for it to have been anything else on this flight would have to be an enormously unfortunate coincidence |
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Was chatting earlier with friend about the crashes (particularly into the sea) that have happened in recent years and both wondered why the "pingers" only last about 30 days. Anyway did a Google and came across this article http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egy...-idUKKCN0YE1RX . It seems AirFrance, amongst others, haven't been slow in implementing the longer lasting batteries. 2018 seems a long way off.
Not sure what to make of this sentence from the article though; quote, “Egypt will analyze EgyptAir jet's black box if found intact: official” ![]() |
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I know that there are so many conflicting stories on this, but has there been any large wreckage found or signifcant retrieval of bodies ?
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BBC News:... “Egyptian forensics official says human remains retrieved from the crash site point to an explosion on board”.
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Fact is that we can't even trust the latest "correction" issued from Egypt. We'll have to await the preliminary investigation findings before being able to do that. Until then, the spokesmen and media will just have to carry on guessing and I have no doubt that they will do just that.
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BBC News:... “Egyptian forensics official says human remains retrieved from the crash site point to an explosion on board”.
For some reason I've been thinking it was some sort of electrical fire, perhaps because no scum has claimed responsibility (if indeed it was a terrorist's bomb).
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BBC News:... “Egyptian forensics official says human remains retrieved from the crash site point to an explosion on board”.
I'm not entirely sure how much can really be concluded from that. |
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BBC News:... “Egyptian forensics official says human remains retrieved from the crash site point to an explosion on board”.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/egyptair-c...091733891.html The official added that "the logical explanation is that it was an explosion" but no traces of explosives have been found. So it could have been many things that caused it |
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Surely a plane hitting the ocean at high speed would tend to cause lot's of little parts?
While a plane breaking up in the air would tend to larger parts. The Egyptian authorities don't seem a good source of information. |
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But with no trace of explosives
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/egyptair-c...091733891.html The official added that "the logical explanation is that it was an explosion" but no traces of explosives have been found. So it could have been many things that caused it Surely this could explain "an explosion", without any explosives. |
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BBC News:... “Egyptian forensics official says human remains retrieved from the crash site point to an explosion on board”.
EgyptAir crash: official dismisses claim that remains suggest blast. Quote “Head of Egyptian forensics authority says claim by unnamed official is “completely false” |
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Apparently the plane had an overheating engine problem in 2013 but they do not think that is connected
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/latest-egy...152454813.html |
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For some reason I've been thinking it was some sort of electrical fire, perhaps because no scum has claimed responsibility (if indeed it was a terrorist's bomb).