There's also a theory in The Mirror about a possible meteorite, apparently there were meteor showers all around the Middle East at the time
EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'
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Originally Posted by laurielou:
“I agree - but the problem is, if you start getting such big discrepancies in official versions and sweeping instant declarations from officials like "it can't possibly have been mechanical failure, it looks like it must have been terrorism" when they can't possibly know, it does start to sound as if agendas of one sort or another are at play. And of course that then starts to fuel all the conspiracy/coverup type theories.
It shouldn't be too hard, surely, just to say honestly what has been found and what hasn't at any given time and that 'no conclusions can yet be drawn'. As if it wasn't bad enough for the families without being able to trust what they're being told.”
“I agree - but the problem is, if you start getting such big discrepancies in official versions and sweeping instant declarations from officials like "it can't possibly have been mechanical failure, it looks like it must have been terrorism" when they can't possibly know, it does start to sound as if agendas of one sort or another are at play. And of course that then starts to fuel all the conspiracy/coverup type theories.
It shouldn't be too hard, surely, just to say honestly what has been found and what hasn't at any given time and that 'no conclusions can yet be drawn'. As if it wasn't bad enough for the families without being able to trust what they're being told.”
Agree.
Signals from one of the plane's emergency transmitters (not from the black boxes) are reported to have been picked up.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/26/mi...ted/index.html
This should at least help narrow down the search area.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/26/mi...ted/index.html
This should at least help narrow down the search area.
Originally Posted by coughthecat:
“Signals from one of the plane's emergency transmitters (not from the black boxes) are reported to have been picked up.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/26/mi...ted/index.html
This should at least help narrow down the search area.”
“Signals from one of the plane's emergency transmitters (not from the black boxes) are reported to have been picked up.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/05/26/mi...ted/index.html
This should at least help narrow down the search area.”
That sounds hopeful.
Originally Posted by francie:
“That sounds hopeful.”
“That sounds hopeful.”
To the best of my knowledge (and I could be completely wrong here!) aircraft Emergency Location Transmitters (ELT’s) transmit a radio signal (406MHz) that can be picked up by satellite;…as opposed to the black box ‘pings’ which are purely acoustic.
The ELT’s are designed to float to the surface and then start transmitting a distress call which uniquely identifies the actual aircraft. If the ELT from this flight is ‘transmitting’ it begs the question,… ‘why has it not been detected before now’?
If the ELT is still underwater the detectable range of the radio waves is virtually zero;…in addition they can only transmit for a few days.
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“To the best of my knowledge (and I could be completely wrong here!) aircraft Emergency Location Transmitters (ELT’s) transmit a radio signal (406MHz) that can be picked up by satellite;…as opposed to the black box ‘pings’ which are purely acoustic.
The ELT’s are designed to float to the surface and then start transmitting a distress call which uniquely identifies the actual aircraft. If the ELT from this flight is ‘transmitting’ it begs the question,… ‘why has it not been detected before now’?
If the ELT is still underwater the detectable range of the radio waves is virtually zero;…in addition they can only transmit for a few days.”
“To the best of my knowledge (and I could be completely wrong here!) aircraft Emergency Location Transmitters (ELT’s) transmit a radio signal (406MHz) that can be picked up by satellite;…as opposed to the black box ‘pings’ which are purely acoustic.
The ELT’s are designed to float to the surface and then start transmitting a distress call which uniquely identifies the actual aircraft. If the ELT from this flight is ‘transmitting’ it begs the question,… ‘why has it not been detected before now’?
If the ELT is still underwater the detectable range of the radio waves is virtually zero;…in addition they can only transmit for a few days.
”
It seems to be a case of bits of information being interpreted/translated and reported in a way which may be misleading!
The CNN report (of an Egyptian report) which stated that "Airbus has detected signals from the Mediterranean Sea where EgyptAir Flight 804 crashed last week, Egypt's state-run Al Ahram news agency reported Thursday" gives the impression that signals have only recently been detected and that the source was in the Mediterranean Sea. That's certainly how I read it!
However, Bloomberg puts a slightly different slant on the story as they state that signals were detected from the aircraft as it crashed.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...d-egyptair-jet
That makes more sense from a technical standpoint as I agree with you that they'd be unlikely to start picking up ELT signals from underwater, several days after the crash!
From the BBC breaking news banner
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36427053
A French ship has detected signals likely to have come from the black boxes of the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month, Egypt says.
The signals came from the seabed of the search area in the Mediterranean Sea, investigators said.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36427053
A French ship has detected signals likely to have come from the black boxes of the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month, Egypt says.
The signals came from the seabed of the search area in the Mediterranean Sea, investigators said.
A vessel operated by French company ‘Deep Ocean Search’(DOS) is presently en-route and will be in the search zone by Thursday 9th June. The vessel is equipped with the specialist equipment needed to retrieve the black boxes;…that’s assuming the black boxes have actually been located by then.
A French navy ship ‘Laplace’ is also en-route from Corsica (it’s possibly there already) and it has staff and equipment onboard from another French company called ‘Alseamar’.
Alseamar have the equipment to locate (but not retrieve) the black boxes by detecting the acoustic ‘pings’. Once Alseamar specialists pin-point the black boxes ‘Deep Ocean Search’ will then retrieve them;…that’s the plan anyway!
By the time the ‘Deep Ocean Search’ vessel arrives in the search zone the black boxes, which are thought to be 3000m down, will have been ‘pinging’ for 21 days;...they are expected to 'ping' for approximately 30 days in total before the black box batteries run flat.
A French navy ship ‘Laplace’ is also en-route from Corsica (it’s possibly there already) and it has staff and equipment onboard from another French company called ‘Alseamar’.
Alseamar have the equipment to locate (but not retrieve) the black boxes by detecting the acoustic ‘pings’. Once Alseamar specialists pin-point the black boxes ‘Deep Ocean Search’ will then retrieve them;…that’s the plan anyway!
By the time the ‘Deep Ocean Search’ vessel arrives in the search zone the black boxes, which are thought to be 3000m down, will have been ‘pinging’ for 21 days;...they are expected to 'ping' for approximately 30 days in total before the black box batteries run flat.
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“From the BBC breaking news banner
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36427053
A French ship has detected signals likely to have come from the black boxes of the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month, Egypt says.
The signals came from the seabed of the search area in the Mediterranean Sea, investigators said.
”
“From the BBC breaking news banner
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36427053
A French ship has detected signals likely to have come from the black boxes of the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month, Egypt says.
The signals came from the seabed of the search area in the Mediterranean Sea, investigators said.
”
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“A vessel operated by French company ‘Deep Ocean Search’(DOS) is presently en-route and will be in the search zone by Thursday 9th June. The vessel is equipped with the specialist equipment needed to retrieve the black boxes;…that’s assuming the black boxes have actually been located by then.
A French navy ship ‘Laplace’ is also en-route from Corsica (it’s possibly there already) and it has staff and equipment onboard from another French company called ‘Alseamar’.
Alseamar have the equipment to locate (but not retrieve) the black boxes by detecting the acoustic ‘pings’. Once Alseamar specialists pin-point the black boxes ‘Deep Ocean Search’ will then retrieve them;…that’s the plan anyway!
By the time the ‘Deep Ocean Search’ vessel arrives in the search zone the black boxes, which are thought to be 3000m down, will have been ‘pinging’ for 21 days;...they are expected to 'ping' for approximately 30 days in total before the black box batteries run flat.”
“A vessel operated by French company ‘Deep Ocean Search’(DOS) is presently en-route and will be in the search zone by Thursday 9th June. The vessel is equipped with the specialist equipment needed to retrieve the black boxes;…that’s assuming the black boxes have actually been located by then.
A French navy ship ‘Laplace’ is also en-route from Corsica (it’s possibly there already) and it has staff and equipment onboard from another French company called ‘Alseamar’.
Alseamar have the equipment to locate (but not retrieve) the black boxes by detecting the acoustic ‘pings’. Once Alseamar specialists pin-point the black boxes ‘Deep Ocean Search’ will then retrieve them;…that’s the plan anyway!
By the time the ‘Deep Ocean Search’ vessel arrives in the search zone the black boxes, which are thought to be 3000m down, will have been ‘pinging’ for 21 days;...they are expected to 'ping' for approximately 30 days in total before the black box batteries run flat.
”
Thanks for the info as any news of developments has been scarce. Just hope now they can recover the boxes.
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“To the best of my knowledge (and I could be completely wrong here!) aircraft Emergency Location Transmitters (ELT’s) transmit a radio signal (406MHz) that can be picked up by satellite;…as opposed to the black box ‘pings’ which are purely acoustic.
The ELT’s are designed to float to the surface and then start transmitting a distress call which uniquely identifies the actual aircraft. If the ELT from this flight is ‘transmitting’ it begs the question,… ‘why has it not been detected before now’?
If the ELT is still underwater the detectable range of the radio waves is virtually zero;…in addition they can only transmit for a few days.”
“To the best of my knowledge (and I could be completely wrong here!) aircraft Emergency Location Transmitters (ELT’s) transmit a radio signal (406MHz) that can be picked up by satellite;…as opposed to the black box ‘pings’ which are purely acoustic.
The ELT’s are designed to float to the surface and then start transmitting a distress call which uniquely identifies the actual aircraft. If the ELT from this flight is ‘transmitting’ it begs the question,… ‘why has it not been detected before now’?
If the ELT is still underwater the detectable range of the radio waves is virtually zero;…in addition they can only transmit for a few days.
”
It has puzzled me for a while now that despite all the advances in modern technology something better hasn't been introduced for locating Black Boxes on aircraft that have landed in water, for whatever reason.
Originally Posted by Glawster2002:
“It has puzzled me for a while now that despite all the advances in modern technology something better hasn't been introduced for locating Black Boxes on aircraft that have landed in water, for whatever reason.”
“It has puzzled me for a while now that despite all the advances in modern technology something better hasn't been introduced for locating Black Boxes on aircraft that have landed in water, for whatever reason.”
Me too and it's when you read things like below, i can't help but think a kid with a Meccano set could do better. In fact i'm staggered these things actually have a battery and aren't run by clockwork! The battery also runs out after a month yet my clocks run for years on one single AA battery!
Answers still a long way off: Richard Westcott, BBC Transport Correspondent
This could be a major breakthrough. But even if they have found one of the two flight recorders, do not expect answers any time soon.
Firstly, the "pinger" sending out this signal has to be still attached to the recorder itself. They can come lose.
Investigators have to send down a specialised sub with a robotic claw to retrieve the box.
The recorders are not waterproof so the circuits in the box have to be thoroughly dried out before they try to access the contents.
And that is assuming the data or voice recordings survived the crash.
Anyone else think that this will end up as another MH370... In regards to nothing found and the trail leading to a dead end.
And finally slowly forgotten about..
And finally slowly forgotten about..
Originally Posted by makavelli132:
“Anyone else think that this will end up as another MH370... In regards to nothing found and the trail leading to a dead end.
And finally slowly forgotten about..”
“Anyone else think that this will end up as another MH370... In regards to nothing found and the trail leading to a dead end.
And finally slowly forgotten about..”
No not really, MH370 is a different kettle of fish , this plane they know the area it went down , they have already found some debris so it is just a matter of time in this instance.
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“No not really, MH370 is a different kettle of fish , this plane they know the area it went down , they have already found some debris so it is just a matter of time in this instance.”
“No not really, MH370 is a different kettle of fish , this plane they know the area it went down , they have already found some debris so it is just a matter of time in this instance.”
‘Pings’ from one of the two black boxes have now been detected, but that is just a starting point.
The ‘Alseamar’ specialists onboard the French Naval vessel ‘Laplace’ will now be working to pin-point the exact location of the black boxes;…no easy task as they are approx. 9000 feet down in what could be very unforgiving terrain;(possibly like an underwater mountain range).
The ‘Alseamar’ specialists onboard the Laplace however DO NOT have the necessary equipment to retrieve the black boxes.
The black boxes will (hopefully!) be recovered by specialists from ‘Deep Ocean Search’ who own and operate a 75m long research vessel called ‘R/V John Lethbridge’.
The R/V John Lethbridge is equipped with a light work class ROV (remotely operated underwater vehicle) rated to 6000 meters which will be used to retrieve the black boxes from the ocean floor.
It’s been variously reported in the press that the R/V John Lethbridge will be in the search zone “later this week”... but I don’t think that can be accurate;
… according to earlier reports the ship only left the Irish Sea (I’m not sure where it was exactly) on Saturday 28th May.The R/V John Lethbridge is only capable of 9 knots maximum;…I’ve used Dublin as a starting point and it’s approx 2850 nautical miles to the search zone (13days 5hrs), so we should expect to see the RV John Lethbridge on site sometime next Thursday/Friday (9th or 10th June).
Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else yet or how relevant it is to what happened
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...=yahoo&ref=yfp
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...=yahoo&ref=yfp
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else yet or how relevant it is to what happened
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...=yahoo&ref=yfp
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea”
“Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else yet or how relevant it is to what happened
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...=yahoo&ref=yfp
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea”
....it’s certainly taken a while for those details to emerge.
However, if true, I guess it’s not the kind of info that the airline et al would be overly keen to make public.
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else yet or how relevant it is to what happened
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...=yahoo&ref=yfp
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea”
“Not sure if this has been mentioned anywhere else yet or how relevant it is to what happened
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entr...=yahoo&ref=yfp
EgyptAir Flight MS804 Made ‘Three Emergency Landings’ In 24 Hours Before Crashing Into The Mediterranean Sea”
That's extremely worrying if correct and serious questions need addressing by the airline.
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“....it’s certainly taken a while for those details to emerge.
However, if true, I guess it’s not the kind of info that the airline et al would be overly keen to make public.”
“....it’s certainly taken a while for those details to emerge.
However, if true, I guess it’s not the kind of info that the airline et al would be overly keen to make public.”
That was my first thought.
No passengers, airport staff, plane spotters, Flightradar24 viewers etc. noticed even one of these 'emergency landings' in the 24 hours before the crash?
I can't help but wonder if ACARS signalled 'anomalies' which resulted in the reported 'technical audits' being undertaken when the plane landed at its destination, and someone's just assumed that such an ACARS signal would result in the plane having to turn round and make an emergency landing.
Mind you, I've almost given up being surprised about flight operations these days!
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“That's extremely worrying if correct and serious questions need addressing by the airline.”
“That's extremely worrying if correct and serious questions need addressing by the airline.”
If it turns out to be technical and they did make those emergency landings it might explain why the Egyptian government who 100% owns the airline was so keen to blame terrorism .
Originally Posted by skp20040:
“If it turns out to be technical and they did make those emergency landings it might explain why the Egyptian government who 100% owns the airline was so keen to blame terrorism .”
“If it turns out to be technical and they did make those emergency landings it might explain why the Egyptian government who 100% owns the airline was so keen to blame terrorism .”
My thoughts too as they seemed too quick to rule out technical problems from the onset.
Bit of back info: "In 2009, EU officials expressed concerns about "systemic safety deficiencies" among EgyptAir's fleet performance and said they would monitor the airline ahead of a follow up safety review.
Later that year the EU inspectors said that significant progress had been made by the airline but that some concerns remained over maintenance and engineering.
In July 2011, an EgyptAir Boeing 777-200 was evacuated at Cairo International Airport (CAI) after a fire started in the cockpit. All the passengers survived but the fire, thought to have been started by an electrical fault, damaged the plane beyond repair. " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36330317
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“‘Pings’ from one of the two black boxes have now been detected, but that is just a starting point.
The ‘Alseamar’ specialists onboard the French Naval vessel ‘Laplace’ will now be working to pin-point the exact location of the black boxes;…no easy task as they are approx. 9000 feet down in what could be very unforgiving terrain;(possibly like an underwater mountain range).
The ‘Alseamar’ specialists onboard the Laplace however DO NOT have the necessary equipment to retrieve the black boxes.
The black boxes will (hopefully!) be recovered by specialists from ‘Deep Ocean Search’ who own and operate a 75m long research vessel called ‘R/V John Lethbridge’.
The R/V John Lethbridge is equipped with a light work class ROV (remotely operated underwater vehicle) rated to 6000 meters which will be used to retrieve the black boxes from the ocean floor.
It’s been variously reported in the press that the R/V John Lethbridge will be in the search zone “later this week”... but I don’t think that can be accurate;… according to earlier reports the ship only left the Irish Sea (I’m not sure where it was exactly) on Saturday 28th May.
The R/V John Lethbridge is only capable of 9 knots maximum;…I’ve used Dublin as a starting point and it’s approx 2850 nautical miles to the search zone (13days 5hrs), so we should expect to see the RV John Lethbridge on site sometime next Thursday/Friday (9th or 10th June).”
“‘Pings’ from one of the two black boxes have now been detected, but that is just a starting point.
The ‘Alseamar’ specialists onboard the French Naval vessel ‘Laplace’ will now be working to pin-point the exact location of the black boxes;…no easy task as they are approx. 9000 feet down in what could be very unforgiving terrain;(possibly like an underwater mountain range).
The ‘Alseamar’ specialists onboard the Laplace however DO NOT have the necessary equipment to retrieve the black boxes.
The black boxes will (hopefully!) be recovered by specialists from ‘Deep Ocean Search’ who own and operate a 75m long research vessel called ‘R/V John Lethbridge’.
The R/V John Lethbridge is equipped with a light work class ROV (remotely operated underwater vehicle) rated to 6000 meters which will be used to retrieve the black boxes from the ocean floor.
It’s been variously reported in the press that the R/V John Lethbridge will be in the search zone “later this week”... but I don’t think that can be accurate;
… according to earlier reports the ship only left the Irish Sea (I’m not sure where it was exactly) on Saturday 28th May.The R/V John Lethbridge is only capable of 9 knots maximum;…I’ve used Dublin as a starting point and it’s approx 2850 nautical miles to the search zone (13days 5hrs), so we should expect to see the RV John Lethbridge on site sometime next Thursday/Friday (9th or 10th June).”
Update for anyone interested:...
The R/V John Lethbridge is presently in the Med about 15 miles off the coast of Hydra, Algeria.
The vessel is bound for Trapani, a port on the NW tip of Sicily where it will presumably pick up extra stores/equipment/personnel et al;…then onward to the search area.
They’ve obviously pulled out all the stops as the vessel is at full-speed,…doing a mighty 9.9 knots!
ETA Trapani, Sicily is Sunday p.m.
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“Update for anyone interested:...
The R/V John Lethbridge is presently in the Med about 15 miles off the coast of Hydra, Algeria.
The vessel is bound for Trapani, a port on the NW tip of Sicily where it will presumably pick up extra stores/equipment/personnel et al;…then onward to the search area.
They’ve obviously pulled out all the stops as the vessel is at full-speed,…doing a mighty 9.9 knots!
ETA Trapani, Sicily is Sunday p.m.”
“Update for anyone interested:...
The R/V John Lethbridge is presently in the Med about 15 miles off the coast of Hydra, Algeria.
The vessel is bound for Trapani, a port on the NW tip of Sicily where it will presumably pick up extra stores/equipment/personnel et al;…then onward to the search area.
They’ve obviously pulled out all the stops as the vessel is at full-speed,…doing a mighty 9.9 knots!
ETA Trapani, Sicily is Sunday p.m.”
I've got it doing 10.8 knots here! Perhaps the turbos have kicked in since you posted!
I'm a bit disappointed with Ship Tracking as it now seems to have gone over to subscription for more 'live' info where you used to get most of that for free.
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“I've got it doing 10.8 knots here! Perhaps the turbos have kicked in since you posted!
I'm a bit disappointed with Ship Tracking as it now seems to have gone over to subscription for more 'live' info where you used to get most of that for free.”
“I've got it doing 10.8 knots here! Perhaps the turbos have kicked in since you posted!
I'm a bit disappointed with Ship Tracking as it now seems to have gone over to subscription for more 'live' info where you used to get most of that for free.”
…the speed has certainly increased;….it’s probably because the Captain is water skiing.
Originally Posted by Grafenwalder:
“I've got it doing 10.8 knots here! Perhaps the turbos have kicked in since you posted!
I'm a bit disappointed with Ship Tracking as it now seems to have gone over to subscription for more 'live' info where you used to get most of that for free.”
“I've got it doing 10.8 knots here! Perhaps the turbos have kicked in since you posted!
I'm a bit disappointed with Ship Tracking as it now seems to have gone over to subscription for more 'live' info where you used to get most of that for free.”
Hugging the N.African coast they’ve got the prevailing current with them,…just about all the way to Sicily;…that probably accounts for the lightning turn of speed.
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