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EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'
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bri160356
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“That didn't end well did it. Hope they have a change of heart and grab whatever help is offered with both hands.”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36572645

“The recorders are being tested in the Egyptian civil aviation ministry's laboratories in the capital Cairo, AFP news agency reports. “

“Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee will analyse them along with representatives from France and the US.”
coughthecat
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36572645

“The recorders are being tested in the Egyptian civil aviation ministry's laboratories in the capital Cairo, AFP news agency reports. “

“Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee will analyse them along with representatives from France and the US.”
”

Interesting that according to the BBC article "Egyptian air accident investigation sources told Reuters news agency it would take "lots of time and effort" to fix the two damaged recorders" but Reuters themselves are saying they've been told it'll be done within a few hours!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/egypta...-idUKC6N16E02I

*EDIT* Just noticed the BBC article is from yesterday, and that they started work on Saturday, so maybe a couple of days does equate to 'lots of time and effort'.
bri160356
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by coughthecat:
“Interesting that according to the BBC article "Egyptian air accident investigation sources told Reuters news agency it would take "lots of time and effort" to fix the two damaged recorders" but Reuters themselves are saying they've been told it'll be done within a few hours!

http://uk.reuters.com/article/egypta...-idUKC6N16E02I

*EDIT* Just noticed the BBC article is from yesterday, and that they started work on Saturday, so maybe a couple of days does equate to 'lots of time and effort'.”

…a couple of minutes equates to 'lots of time and effort' in Egypt.
coughthecat
20-06-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“…a couple of minutes equates to 'lots of time and effort' in Egypt.”

I refuse to comment!

However, I note that the 'repairs' involved eight hours of drying at the Technical Research Centre of the Armed Forces which is equipped with "modern high technology drying kilns", followed by electrical testing ... hopefully under the very close supervision of the Honeywell representative!
coughthecat
22-06-2016
A number of media outlets had reported that the Egyptian authorities were going to make a decision yesterday as to whether they'd send the black boxes elsewhere, or do the work in Egypt, but I've yet to see any announcement regarding that decision.

Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Ismail said "In case the memory units are sent overseas, this will be under Egyptian supervision and for a 24-hour period", although no decision had been made about which country they'd be sent to.

Obviously, they'd need to be under Egyptian supervision as they're the ones who are tasked with conducting the investigation, but the '24 period' smacks of sheer bloody-mindedness. If they don't have the ability to do it, send it to someone who has and give them whatever time they need to do it properly.

Either the decision has been delayed, or they've decided not to send the black boxes elsewhere as they're in the process of removing salt deposits from over 200 electronic circuits in order to determine what's stopping them from downloading the data.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...in-black-boxes

http://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptair...ata-1466610173

I wonder if they'll do it in the 24 hours they seemed to think it would take?
bri160356
23-06-2016
Originally Posted by coughthecat:
“A number of media outlets had reported that the Egyptian authorities were going to make a decision yesterday as to whether they'd send the black boxes elsewhere, or do the work in Egypt, but I've yet to see any announcement regarding that decision.

Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Ismail said "In case the memory units are sent overseas, this will be under Egyptian supervision and for a 24-hour period", although no decision had been made about which country they'd be sent to.

Obviously, they'd need to be under Egyptian supervision as they're the ones who are tasked with conducting the investigation, but the '24 period' smacks of sheer bloody-mindedness. If they don't have the ability to do it, send it to someone who has and give them whatever time they need to do it properly.

Either the decision has been delayed, or they've decided not to send the black boxes elsewhere as they're in the process of removing salt deposits from over 200 electronic circuits in order to determine what's stopping them from downloading the data.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...in-black-boxes

http://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptair...ata-1466610173

I wonder if they'll do it in the 24 hours they seemed to think it would take? ”

…what happened to ..” I refuse to comment! “
francie
23-06-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“…what happened to ..” I refuse to comment! “ ”

I half expect any comments to be refuted
coughthecat
23-06-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“…what happened to ..” I refuse to comment! “ ”

That wasn't me. That was from an 'unnamed source' close to me!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it ... although I reserve the right to change it at any time!
coughthecat
23-06-2016
The black boxes are to be sent to France next week.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36612020
francie
27-06-2016
Paris prosecutor opens manslaughter inquiry http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36644422

" The Paris prosecutor has opened a manslaughter investigation into last month's EgyptAir plane crash.

A spokeswoman told the Associated Press that it would begin as an accident inquiry because there was no evidence so far to link it to terrorism.

The authorities, she said, were "not at all" favouring the theory the Airbus A320 was brought down deliberately.

Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo crashed in the Mediterranean Sea on 19 May, killing all 66 people on board.

Earlier on Monday, Egyptian investigators said the damaged memory chips from the plane's cockpit voice and data recorders had been flown to France.

Technicians at France's BEA air accident investigations agency will attempt to clean and repair them, and then send them back to Egypt for analysis
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Just a news update.
francie
28-06-2016
Flight data recorder repaired - investigators http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36647587

" The damaged flight data recorder from the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month has been successfully repaired in France, Egyptian investigators say.

They say that work on the Airbus A320's cockpit voice recorder will begin "within hours
". "



Some good news at last!
Dotheboyshall
28-06-2016
France says crash was not an act of terrorism
skp20040
28-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“France says crash was not an act of terrorism”

That will not be very welcome by the Egyptian government who were very quick to label it a terror act , but then if the prior problems with the plane are found to be true ( emergency landings) then they will be in for an even heftier bill in pay outs as it is a state owned airline.
coughthecat
28-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dotheboyshall:
“France says crash was not an act of terrorism”

That's a somewhat misleading headline in The Independent.

French authorities haven't said it's not terrorist related ... they simply don't favour that possibility based on the evidence to date.

When French nationals are killed it's standard practice to open an investigation, and as there's no evidence so far of a terrorist attack, they can hardly treat it as a terrorism investigation!
francie
29-06-2016
EgyptAir crash: Flight MS804 black box 'confirms smoke' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910

" A black box recording from crashed EgyptAir flight MS804 confirms smoke on board, Egyptian investigators say. "

" Automated electronic messages sent by the plane had shown that smoke detectors went off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane disappeared.

The recorded data are consistent with those messages, investigators said.
"

" The second black box, the cockpit recorder, is still being repaired in Paris.

The Egyptian investigation committee also said that part of the front section of the aircraft's wreckage "showed sign of high temperature damage" and soot
. "
Inspiration
29-06-2016
Some debris shows signs of a high temperature event and soot.
Dix
29-06-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“EgyptAir crash: Flight MS804 black box 'confirms smoke' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910

" A black box recording from crashed EgyptAir flight MS804 confirms smoke on board, Egyptian investigators say. "

" Automated electronic messages sent by the plane had shown that smoke detectors went off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane disappeared.

The recorded data are consistent with those messages, investigators said. "


" The second black box, the cockpit recorder, is still being repaired in Paris.

The Egyptian investigation committee also said that part of the front section of the aircraft's wreckage "showed sign of high temperature damage" and soot. "”


See you're on the ball as I just found that article online, and good to have high Temps damage confirmed, but would soot have come from burning seats or parts? Must have been horrendous for the passengers and crew when that happened!
francie
29-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dix:
“See you're on the ball as I just found that article online, and good to have high Temps damage confirmed, but would soot have come from burning seats or parts? Must have been horrendous for the passengers and crew when that happened! ”

Nah, just happened to be reading BBC news site when it came in.

Yes, a horrible, horrible death.
Dix
29-06-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“Flight data recorder repaired - investigators http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36647587

" The damaged flight data recorder from the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month has been successfully repaired in France, Egyptian investigators say.

They say that work on the Airbus A320's cockpit voice recorder will begin "within hours". "



Some good news at last!”

Just thinking, that if there was intense heat and smoke, then the pilots might not have noticed it, or if they did they could have been overcome from the smoke in minutes, and may not have been able to say anything. Keen to know the cockpit result.
Dix
29-06-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“Nah, just happened to be reading BBC news site when it came in.

Yes, a horrible, horrible death. ”

Same with me as I had connected a few minutes ago, and went to the BBC for other news if any, and spotted the article. Toilet smoke could have come from the paper hand towel machine, if planes have them that is, or maybe from a faulty light. Poor passengers and crew to die this way.
coughthecat
29-06-2016
Originally Posted by Dix:
“Same with me as I had connected a few minutes ago, and went to the BBC for other news if any, and spotted the article. Toilet smoke could have come from the paper hand towel machine, if planes have them that is, or maybe from a faulty light. Poor passengers and crew to die this way.”

They also had smoke alarms from the avionics bay which I think is below the forward toilet. My guess (and it is only a guess) would be that they had a problem in the avionics bay as I assume that any fire in the toilet could have been dealt with by the flight attendants before it caused any serious damage to the aircraft.

Having said that, cockpit window sensor alarms were triggered at about the same time (within a couple of seconds according to the ACARS data) and those are temperature sensors. If that was an indication of a fire in the cockpit, I'd have expected the smoke detectors in the avionics bay to have been triggered earlier if the fire had started there.

I noticed in another article that the Flight Data Recorder stopped at 37,00ft, although radar tracking shows that the plane continued to manoeuvre after that.
coughthecat
02-07-2016
The Cockpit Voice Recorder has been repaired and is now "in a condition to retrieve information".

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-egy...-idUKKCN0ZI0E3
francie
04-07-2016
" A search vessel looking for the remains of victims of the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean in May has recovered all of the mapped bodies from the sea floor, investigators say.

The Mauritian-based ship John Lethbridge is now sailing to Alexandria in Egypt.

It will later return to the crash site to look for more bodies. "

" A statement by the Egyptian Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee said that the search vessel John Lethbridge "retrieved all the human remains that were mapped at the crash location"
. " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36700575
bri160356
06-07-2016
"Information from the flight's cockpit voice recorder suggests the pilot tried to extinguish a fire in the cockpit before the plane crashed.."


bri160356
09-07-2016
Parts from MS804 have apparently found their way to an Israeli beach;…they’ve been handed to the Egyptian authorities.

It now seems very likely that the cause of the crash was a fire in the forward part of the aircraft. I wonder what emphasis the search teams are putting on the recovery process;

…is it bodies first?...or will raising the cockpit/forward section take priority given that’s the likely source of the (presumed) fire?

If it was a fire I guess there are 4 ‘suspects’:

1. Electrical malfunction of the planes systems/wiring et al.

2. Fire emanating from cargo (laptop batteries??). The forward cargo hold is immediately below the cockpit on an A320 Airbus.

3. Fire started accidentally/deliberately by a passenger,…toilets??

4. Terrorist incendiary device;…has a device such as that been used previously?

We shall have to wait and see…

I would love to have worked in the sub-sea recovery industry;…however, I’m not sure I could have coped with the situation that now faces the search teams.

Recovering wreckage is one thing,…but recovering bodies (and parts thereof) must be an incredibly daunting and sad process.
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