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That didn't end well did it. Hope they have a change of heart and grab whatever help is offered with both hands.
“The recorders are being tested in the Egyptian civil aviation ministry's laboratories in the capital Cairo, AFP news agency reports. “ ![]() ![]() ![]() “Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee will analyse them along with representatives from France and the US.” ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36572645
“The recorders are being tested in the Egyptian civil aviation ministry's laboratories in the capital Cairo, AFP news agency reports. “ ![]() ![]() ![]() “Egypt's Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee will analyse them along with representatives from France and the US.” ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() http://uk.reuters.com/article/egypta...-idUKC6N16E02I *EDIT* Just noticed the BBC article is from yesterday, and that they started work on Saturday, so maybe a couple of days does equate to 'lots of time and effort'. |
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Interesting that according to the BBC article "Egyptian air accident investigation sources told Reuters news agency it would take "lots of time and effort" to fix the two damaged recorders" but Reuters themselves are saying they've been told it'll be done within a few hours!
![]() http://uk.reuters.com/article/egypta...-idUKC6N16E02I *EDIT* Just noticed the BBC article is from yesterday, and that they started work on Saturday, so maybe a couple of days does equate to 'lots of time and effort'. |
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…a couple of minutes equates to 'lots of time and effort' in Egypt.
![]() However, I note that the 'repairs' involved eight hours of drying at the Technical Research Centre of the Armed Forces which is equipped with "modern high technology drying kilns", followed by electrical testing ... hopefully under the very close supervision of the Honeywell representative! |
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A number of media outlets had reported that the Egyptian authorities were going to make a decision yesterday as to whether they'd send the black boxes elsewhere, or do the work in Egypt, but I've yet to see any announcement regarding that decision.
Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Ismail said "In case the memory units are sent overseas, this will be under Egyptian supervision and for a 24-hour period", although no decision had been made about which country they'd be sent to. Obviously, they'd need to be under Egyptian supervision as they're the ones who are tasked with conducting the investigation, but the '24 period' smacks of sheer bloody-mindedness. If they don't have the ability to do it, send it to someone who has and give them whatever time they need to do it properly. Either the decision has been delayed, or they've decided not to send the black boxes elsewhere as they're in the process of removing salt deposits from over 200 electronic circuits in order to determine what's stopping them from downloading the data. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...in-black-boxes http://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptair...ata-1466610173 I wonder if they'll do it in the 24 hours they seemed to think it would take?
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A number of media outlets had reported that the Egyptian authorities were going to make a decision yesterday as to whether they'd send the black boxes elsewhere, or do the work in Egypt, but I've yet to see any announcement regarding that decision.
Civil Aviation Minister Sherif Ismail said "In case the memory units are sent overseas, this will be under Egyptian supervision and for a 24-hour period", although no decision had been made about which country they'd be sent to. Obviously, they'd need to be under Egyptian supervision as they're the ones who are tasked with conducting the investigation, but the '24 period' smacks of sheer bloody-mindedness. If they don't have the ability to do it, send it to someone who has and give them whatever time they need to do it properly. Either the decision has been delayed, or they've decided not to send the black boxes elsewhere as they're in the process of removing salt deposits from over 200 electronic circuits in order to determine what's stopping them from downloading the data. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...in-black-boxes http://www.wsj.com/articles/egyptair...ata-1466610173 I wonder if they'll do it in the 24 hours they seemed to think it would take? ![]()
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…what happened to ..” I refuse to comment! “
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…what happened to ..” I refuse to comment! “
![]() That's my story and I'm sticking to it ... although I reserve the right to change it at any time!
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The black boxes are to be sent to France next week.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36612020 |
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Paris prosecutor opens manslaughter inquiry http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36644422
" The Paris prosecutor has opened a manslaughter investigation into last month's EgyptAir plane crash. A spokeswoman told the Associated Press that it would begin as an accident inquiry because there was no evidence so far to link it to terrorism. The authorities, she said, were "not at all" favouring the theory the Airbus A320 was brought down deliberately. Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo crashed in the Mediterranean Sea on 19 May, killing all 66 people on board. Earlier on Monday, Egyptian investigators said the damaged memory chips from the plane's cockpit voice and data recorders had been flown to France. Technicians at France's BEA air accident investigations agency will attempt to clean and repair them, and then send them back to Egypt for analysis. " Just a news update. |
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Flight data recorder repaired - investigators http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36647587
" The damaged flight data recorder from the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month has been successfully repaired in France, Egyptian investigators say. They say that work on the Airbus A320's cockpit voice recorder will begin "within hours". " Some good news at last! |
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That will not be very welcome by the Egyptian government who were very quick to label it a terror act , but then if the prior problems with the plane are found to be true ( emergency landings) then they will be in for an even heftier bill in pay outs as it is a state owned airline.
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That's a somewhat misleading headline in The Independent. French authorities haven't said it's not terrorist related ... they simply don't favour that possibility based on the evidence to date. When French nationals are killed it's standard practice to open an investigation, and as there's no evidence so far of a terrorist attack, they can hardly treat it as a terrorism investigation! |
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EgyptAir crash: Flight MS804 black box 'confirms smoke' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910
" A black box recording from crashed EgyptAir flight MS804 confirms smoke on board, Egyptian investigators say. " " Automated electronic messages sent by the plane had shown that smoke detectors went off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane disappeared. The recorded data are consistent with those messages, investigators said. " " The second black box, the cockpit recorder, is still being repaired in Paris. The Egyptian investigation committee also said that part of the front section of the aircraft's wreckage "showed sign of high temperature damage" and soot. " |
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Some debris shows signs of a high temperature event and soot.
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EgyptAir crash: Flight MS804 black box 'confirms smoke' http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36668910
" A black box recording from crashed EgyptAir flight MS804 confirms smoke on board, Egyptian investigators say. " " Automated electronic messages sent by the plane had shown that smoke detectors went off in a toilet and in the avionics area below the cockpit, minutes before the plane disappeared. The recorded data are consistent with those messages, investigators said. " " The second black box, the cockpit recorder, is still being repaired in Paris. The Egyptian investigation committee also said that part of the front section of the aircraft's wreckage "showed sign of high temperature damage" and soot. " See you're on the ball as I just found that article online, and good to have high Temps damage confirmed, but would soot have come from burning seats or parts? Must have been horrendous for the passengers and crew when that happened!
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See you're on the ball as I just found that article online, and good to have high Temps damage confirmed, but would soot have come from burning seats or parts? Must have been horrendous for the passengers and crew when that happened!
![]() Yes, a horrible, horrible death.
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Flight data recorder repaired - investigators http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36647587
" The damaged flight data recorder from the EgyptAir plane that crashed last month has been successfully repaired in France, Egyptian investigators say. They say that work on the Airbus A320's cockpit voice recorder will begin "within hours". " Some good news at last! |
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Nah, just happened to be reading BBC news site when it came in.
Yes, a horrible, horrible death. ![]()
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Same with me as I had connected a few minutes ago, and went to the BBC for other news if any, and spotted the article. Toilet smoke could have come from the paper hand towel machine, if planes have them that is, or maybe from a faulty light. Poor passengers and crew to die this way.
![]() Having said that, cockpit window sensor alarms were triggered at about the same time (within a couple of seconds according to the ACARS data) and those are temperature sensors. If that was an indication of a fire in the cockpit, I'd have expected the smoke detectors in the avionics bay to have been triggered earlier if the fire had started there. I noticed in another article that the Flight Data Recorder stopped at 37,00ft, although radar tracking shows that the plane continued to manoeuvre after that. |
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The Cockpit Voice Recorder has been repaired and is now "in a condition to retrieve information".
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" A search vessel looking for the remains of victims of the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean in May has recovered all of the mapped bodies from the sea floor, investigators say.
The Mauritian-based ship John Lethbridge is now sailing to Alexandria in Egypt. It will later return to the crash site to look for more bodies. " " A statement by the Egyptian Aircraft Accident Investigation Committee said that the search vessel John Lethbridge "retrieved all the human remains that were mapped at the crash location". " http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-36700575 |
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Parts from MS804 have apparently found their way to an Israeli beach;…they’ve been handed to the Egyptian authorities.
It now seems very likely that the cause of the crash was a fire in the forward part of the aircraft. I wonder what emphasis the search teams are putting on the recovery process; …is it bodies first?...or will raising the cockpit/forward section take priority given that’s the likely source of the (presumed) fire? If it was a fire I guess there are 4 ‘suspects’: 1. Electrical malfunction of the planes systems/wiring et al. 2. Fire emanating from cargo (laptop batteries??). The forward cargo hold is immediately below the cockpit on an A320 Airbus. 3. Fire started accidentally/deliberately by a passenger,…toilets?? 4. Terrorist incendiary device;…has a device such as that been used previously? We shall have to wait and see… I would love to have worked in the sub-sea recovery industry;…however, I’m not sure I could have coped with the situation that now faces the search teams. Recovering wreckage is one thing,…but recovering bodies (and parts thereof) must be an incredibly daunting and sad process.
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