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EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'
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francie
17-07-2016
" An audio recording made on board an EgyptAir flight that crashed in the Mediterranean Sea in May discusses a fire, investigators say.

An Egyptian-led team said on Saturday that the information was found on a cockpit flight recording.

But the investigative committee said it was too early to say where or why the fire broke out.

The new information appears to back up evidence from the flight recorder of smoke in the cabin.

Recovered wreckage also showed signs of high temperature damage and soot on the jet's front section.
" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36817589
psm
17-07-2016
This hardly inspires confidence in the outcome of the investigation.

Wall Street Journal 16 July

'............According to these people, the probe is further complicated by tensions among the international team of investigators, which includes experts from Egypt, plane maker Airbus Group SE and France’s air-accident agency.
The Egyptian investigators leading the effort, they said, often appear reluctant to share details with Airbus and French crash experts partly due to fears that details prematurely may be disclosed or leak out to the media.
The upshot, according to these people, is that Airbus hasn’t had a central role in analyzing the cockpit-voice recording, and the company has relied largely on Egyptian authorities to alert it if some finding warrants sending emergency safety messages to other A320 operators.
No such messages have been issued. But by the same token, according to one person involved in the investigation, Airbus officials remain uncertain about where Egyptian investigators are focusing efforts to pin down the source of the fire......................'

Although it's hardly surprising that the Egypt Authorities seem, once more, to be attempting to control an investigation and shape the results to their own ends.
Eater Sundae
17-07-2016
Originally Posted by psm:
“This hardly inspires confidence in the outcome of the investigation.

Wall Street Journal 16 July

'............According to these people, the probe is further complicated by tensions among the international team of investigators, which includes experts from Egypt, plane maker Airbus Group SE and France’s air-accident agency.
The Egyptian investigators leading the effort, they said, often appear reluctant to share details with Airbus and French crash experts partly due to fears that details prematurely may be disclosed or leak out to the media.
The upshot, according to these people, is that Airbus hasn’t had a central role in analyzing the cockpit-voice recording, and the company has relied largely on Egyptian authorities to alert it if some finding warrants sending emergency safety messages to other A320 operators.
No such messages have been issued. But by the same token, according to one person involved in the investigation, Airbus officials remain uncertain about where Egyptian investigators are focusing efforts to pin down the source of the fire......................'

Although it's hardly surprising that the Egypt Authorities seem, once more, to be attempting to control an investigation and shape the results to their own ends.”

If that is the case, then pressure should be applied at government level. Stopping all international flights in and out of Egypt until they are more transparent in the investigations should concentrate the minds of the Egyptian officials to play ball.

A key aspect of improvements in air safety has been the openness of crash investigations and the dissemination of safety information as it becomes available. We should not allow backward steps to become the norm.
bri160356
17-07-2016
Originally Posted by psm:
“This hardly inspires confidence in the outcome of the investigation.

Wall Street Journal 16 July

'............According to these people, the probe is further complicated by tensions among the international team of investigators, which includes experts from Egypt, plane maker Airbus Group SE and France’s air-accident agency.
The Egyptian investigators leading the effort, they said, often appear reluctant to share details with Airbus and French crash experts partly due to fears that details prematurely may be disclosed or leak out to the media.
The upshot, according to these people, is that Airbus hasn’t had a central role in analyzing the cockpit-voice recording, and the company has relied largely on Egyptian authorities to alert it if some finding warrants sending emergency safety messages to other A320 operators.
No such messages have been issued. But by the same token, according to one person involved in the investigation, Airbus officials remain uncertain about where Egyptian investigators are focusing efforts to pin down the source of the fire......................'

Although it's hardly surprising that the Egypt Authorities seem, once more, to be attempting to control an investigation and shape the results to their own ends.”

...unfortunately, this comes as no surprise.
lemoncurd
31-08-2016
This investigation went strangely quiet with no updates or press releases since July.
The last thinking was that it was a fire started in the hold or avionics bay near the cockpit.
francie
31-08-2016
Originally Posted by lemoncurd:
“This investigation went strangely quiet with no updates or press releases since July.
The last thinking was that it was a fire started in the hold or avionics bay near the cockpit.”

I was watching a repeat episode of "Air Crash Investigation" last night and started wondering what updates to this flight were out there - seems there's nothing
bri160356
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“I was watching a repeat episode of "Air Crash Investigation" last night and started wondering what updates to this flight were out there - seems there's nothing ”

Over 7-months since the air-crash investigation began,…and this is the situation:

“Mutual accusations between Egypt and France have taken place, while the former insists that the crash happened as a result of a lack of security measures at France’s Charles De Gaulle airport, implying that the crash was the result of a terrorist attack. France said that failures in the regular check-ups on the aeroplane were the cause, an accusation that Egypt refused. ”

LauraLS
27-12-2016
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38330316

They're now saying traces of explosions have been found on victims. But, if it was a bomb you would expect that it would go off near the beginning or middle of the flight rather than just before landing. Also, it's clear the pilots were fighting a fire in the cockpit, which makes it sound more like an electrical fire.

It seems a little like Egypt want it to be a bomb that was planted in another country, perhaps so blame can be placed elsewhere?

It's all odd!
Susie_Smith
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by LauraLS:
“http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-38330316

They're now saying traces of explosions have been found on victims. But, if it was a bomb you would expect that it would go off near the beginning or middle of the flight rather than just before landing. Also, it's clear the pilots were fighting a fire in the cockpit, which makes it sound more like an electrical fire.

It seems a little like Egypt want it to be a bomb that was planted in another country, perhaps so blame can be placed elsewhere?

It's all odd!”

There were military activities in the area at the time, some sort of practice drill. Could the plane have accidentally been shot down by a missile?

If it was blunder by a major nation, it would explain why the media does not talk about it much.
Inspiration
27-12-2016
Smells like a cover up to me. Always did.
LauraLS
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by Susie_Smith:
“There were military activities in the area at the time, some sort of practice drill. Could the plane have accidentally been shot down by a missile?

If it was blunder by a major nation, it would explain why the media does not talk about it much.”

To be honest the media usually will only report on a crash up to about two weeks after it taking place. After that they will just report when more details of the cause have emerged.

On the voice recorders the pilots were apparently trying to put out a fire- a missile would just take the plane out straight away, like MH17.
francie
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“Over 7-months since the air-crash investigation began,…and this is the situation:

“Mutual accusations between Egypt and France have taken place, while the former insists that the crash happened as a result of a lack of security measures at France’s Charles De Gaulle airport, implying that the crash was the result of a terrorist attack. France said that failures in the regular check-ups on the aeroplane were the cause, an accusation that Egypt refused. ”

”

While they continue to squabble the anguish of the loved ones drags on.
bri160356
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by francie:
“While they continue to squabble the anguish of the loved ones drags on. ”

…the Egyptian authorities default position is to lay blame at any door, other than their own.
francie
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“…the Egyptian authorities default position is to lay blame at any door, other than their own. ”

Seems so...tourism figures and all that.
Evo102
27-12-2016
Originally Posted by bri160356:
“…the Egyptian authorities default position is to lay blame at any door, other than their own. ”

Was just the same with EgyptAir 990, the plane that crashed just off New York in 1999. The Egyptian authorities trying to blame control failure while the NTSB believed it was down to the deliberate actions of the relief 1st Officer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990
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