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EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar' |
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I'm more worried about finger pointers like you than I am about Muslims working in airports.
'French newspaper*Le Figaro quotes a French border police source as saying*that investigators will be focusing their attention on ground crew at Charles de Gaulles airport, to establish whether any airport employees posed a security risk. The source said that, in the past, a number of*Salafists -*ultraconservative Muslims -*had been detected among those with access to the areas used for the loading and unloading of aircraft.b Le Figaro also recalled that last December, the head of the Paris airports authority, Augustin de Romanet, announced that since the beginning of 2015*security clearance had been withdrawn from almost 70 employees who had worked in the most secure areas of the main Paris airports, citing one of the reasons as*"radicalisation".' BBC monitoring Le Figaro |
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How very brave of you! !Nobody ever died of a pointing finger. But...
'French newspaper*Le Figaro quotes a French border police source as saying*that investigators will be focusing their attention on ground crew at Charles de Gaulles airport, to establish whether any airport employees posed a security risk. The source said that, in the past, a number of*Salafists -*ultraconservative Muslims -*had been detected among those with access to the areas used for the loading and unloading of aircraft.b Le Figaro also recalled that last December, the head of the Paris airports authority, Augustin de Romanet, announced that since the beginning of 2015*security clearance had been withdrawn from almost 70 employees who had worked in the most secure areas of the main Paris airports, citing one of the reasons as*"radicalisation".' BBC monitoring Le Figaro |
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Surely a terrorist would want to crash it into the ground for a massive spectacle? I bet it's another depressed pilot.
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Crashing a small part full aircraft into the sea hardly fits the 'spectacle' that terrorists go for. Who knows but jumping to this conclusion seems premature. I see Donald Trump has declared who did it.
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None of this excuses pointing the finger at all Muslims who happen to work in airports, but feel free to carry on it makes you feel better.
Most people are intelligent enough to know that the fact that there is a problem with 'muslims' and that the discussion involves the possibility, does not mean that every single last muslim in the world is a terrorist. Calling out trolls may seem admirable, but you're neither going to change their minds, nor impress anyone else, I'm afraid.. |
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It is an inescapable fact that, in a plane crash just off Egypt, Islamic terrorism is highly likely to be involved and, even if it turns out not to be, it is a very valid early hypothesis.
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To be fair, I think we need more information before doing too much hypothesising.
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I suspect a fault with the plane.
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You would they think they would have technology by now that could locate any plane on the planet and tell them exactly where it is.
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Update - Egyptian civil aviation minister: #EgyptAir #MS804 more likely to have been brought down by terror attack than technical failure
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You would they think they would have technology by now that could locate any plane on the planet and tell them exactly where it is.
Also, given that there was earlier talk of crashing near Kaparthakos, could the dive and swerve be it dropping below radar level and turning back ? EDIT: Whilst we're at it, there could even be a hostage negotiation situation going on, hence the semi-news blackout |
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None of this excuses pointing the finger at all Muslims who happen to work in airports, but feel free to carry on it makes you feel better.
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Debris been found
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70 salafists working there is alarming. I don't think I'll feel better knowing that security at airports can be that lax. You're obviously made of sterner stuff though.
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Debris been found
![]() So the plane plunged into the sea, that much is pretty clear. Question is, why? |
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I suspect a fault with the plane.
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It is an inescapable fact that, in a plane crash just off Egypt, Islamic terrorism is highly likely to be involved and, even if it turns out not to be, it is a very valid early hypothesis.
Most people are intelligent enough to know that the fact that there is a problem with 'muslims' and that the discussion involves the possibility, does not mean that every single last muslim in the world is a terrorist. Calling out trolls may seem admirable, but you're neither going to change their minds, nor impress anyone else, I'm afraid.. |
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Could also be a fascist group wanting to smear the tradition of the Islamic world.
And I don't think the islamic world needs much smearing, it does a good enough job on its own.... |
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Chances of any survivors?
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There is no "fact" there.
Whether you like it or not, it is still the most likely root cause at the moment. Yes, the evidence is all circumstantial so far, but you have a flight between two areas that have had problems with Islamic terrorism in the recent past, or are we denying that too ? The 'big' part of this story would be if some security lapse at CDG allowed it to happen. |
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Chances of any survivors?
Tragic loss of life. But we need to wait for the evidence to prove what happened. If they have found debris and it hasn't drifted too far then hopefully the black boxes will also be located - they do emit a signal for a while so they have a little time. The debris will also prove valuable as they can test it for explosive residue and/or catastrophic rupture of some other description. |
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Hardly likely is it? If they'd wanted to do something like that, then they would have done it by now....
And I don't think the islamic world needs much smearing, it does a good enough job on its own....
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Could also be a fascist group wanting to smear the tradition of the Islamic world.
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According to a Sky News commentator, it could apparently have been a 'fascist group' wanting to 'smear' the reputation of the Islamic world...
Echo.....echo....echo.... No matter how many times you say it, it won't make it true. |
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It is an inescapable fact that, in a plane crash just off Egypt, Islamic terrorism is highly likely to be involved and, even if it turns out not to be, it is a very valid early hypothesis.
Most people are intelligent enough to know that the fact that there is a problem with 'muslims' and that the discussion involves the possibility, does not mean that every single last muslim in the world is a terrorist. Quote:
BBC Radio 2 news just said that at least 66 Muslims have been removed from working airside because of security concerns, but still many more Muslims working at the airport.
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Really?
So Muslim staff = potential terrorist?
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