Originally Posted by johnny_t:
“I did say 'most'
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“I did say 'most'
”
I like your caveat
EgyptAir Flight MS804 from Paris to Cairo 'disappears from radar'
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Originally Posted by johnny_t:
“Whatever. I suppose that the truth is that even when someone pops up to say that 'We are the fighters of Islamic State, make this Islamic fight in the name of glorious Islam', you'll still be here to tell us that they've got it all wrong and it's nothing to do with Islam at all.
Whether you like it or not, it is still the most likely root cause at the moment. Yes, the evidence is all circumstantial so far, but you have a flight between two areas that have had problems with Islamic terrorism in the recent past, or are we denying that too ?
The 'big' part of this story would be if some security lapse at CDG allowed it to happen.”
“Whatever. I suppose that the truth is that even when someone pops up to say that 'We are the fighters of Islamic State, make this Islamic fight in the name of glorious Islam', you'll still be here to tell us that they've got it all wrong and it's nothing to do with Islam at all.
Whether you like it or not, it is still the most likely root cause at the moment. Yes, the evidence is all circumstantial so far, but you have a flight between two areas that have had problems with Islamic terrorism in the recent past, or are we denying that too ?
The 'big' part of this story would be if some security lapse at CDG allowed it to happen.”
You made a lot of assumptions there when I was merely pointing out you can't pass anything you said as a fact, assumptions that are just as useless as your speculating based on minimal evidence. You say it's "highly likely" and such, do we have statistics on the probability?
Are we going to have reports of "debris" for weeks now just like MH370? which turn out to be sea waste or tins of baked beans or equally silly.
Originally Posted by AaronWx:
“You made a lot of assumptions there when I was merely pointing out you can't pass anything you said as a fact, assumptions that are just as useless as your speculating based on minimal evidence. You say it's "highly likely" and such, do we have statistics on the probability?”
“You made a lot of assumptions there when I was merely pointing out you can't pass anything you said as a fact, assumptions that are just as useless as your speculating based on minimal evidence. You say it's "highly likely" and such, do we have statistics on the probability?”
Fair enough.
Given that we are talking about the current world situation, in order to get a good baseline for what statistics we are looking at, let's look at incidents involving A320 family aircraft since 2010 that have involved the death of passengers, we have the following:
On 24 March 2015, Germanwings Flight 9525, using an Airbus A320-211, flying from Barcelona to Düsseldorf crashed near Digne in the Southern French Alps, killing all 150 on board. The crash was deliberately caused by the co-pilot Andreas Lubitz, who had previously been treated for suicidal tendencies and been declared "unfit to work" by a doctor.
On 28 July 2010, Airblue Flight 202, an Airbus A321 flying from Karachi to Islamabad, crashed in the Margalla Hills, Islamabad, Pakistan. The weather was poor with low visibility. During a non-standard self-created approach below the minimum descent altitude the aircraft crashed into the ground after the captain ignored 21 cockpit warnings to pull-up. 146 passengers and six crew were on board the aircraft. There were no survivors. The commander, Pervez Iqbal Chaudry, was one of Airblue's most senior pilots with more than 35 years' experience. The accident was the first fatal accident involving the A321.
On 31 October 2015, Metrojet Flight 9268, an Airbus A321-231 belonging to a small Russian airline company called Kogalymavia (branded as Metrojet), crashed in the Hasana area of central Sinai, Egypt on its way from Sharm el-Sheikh, Egypt to St. Petersburg, Russia. There were 224 people on board (217 passengers and 7 crew). No one survived. The flight disappeared from radar 23 minutes after take-off. ADS-B-tracking of the A321 onboard flight sensors by Flightradar24 indicates that the flight was at 31,000 feet before a rapid descent. Newer reports say it broke up in midair, and that ISIL has claimed that it brought down the aircraft. This crash is the deadliest involving the A320 family
On 2 February 2016, Daallo Airlines Flight 159, an Airbus A321-111 flying from Mogadishu to Djibouti, suffered an in-flight explosion five minutes after takeoff, injuring two passengers; the explosion blew a hole in the fuselage, causing a passenger to fall out of the plane; the passenger's severely burned body was found on the ground in the village of Dhiiqaaley near Balad, Somalia. The aircraft returned to Mogadishu and was able to land safely.
I make that 2 that have involved Islamic Terrorists, 1 that hasn't, and 1 that I don't know enough about to say whether it did or didn't.
3 involve malicious intent on behalf of someone, and 1 that I don't know enough about to say whether it did or didn't.
Of course, we can use whatever baseline for the statistics that we like, but I am trying to avoid every Cessna coming down in a field...
Originally Posted by egghead1:
“Are we going to have reports of "debris" for weeks now just like MH370? which turn out to be sea waste or tins of baked beans or equally silly.”
“Are we going to have reports of "debris" for weeks now just like MH370? which turn out to be sea waste or tins of baked beans or equally silly.”
No. It's gone down in small contained sea not huge open ocean.
Originally Posted by academia:
“How very brave of you! !Nobody ever died of a pointing finger. But...
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“How very brave of you! !Nobody ever died of a pointing finger. But...
”
Maybe not but world championships have been won and lost on them!
fingerpoke of doom
Originally Posted by Terry N:
“Surely a terrorist would want to crash it into the ground for a massive spectacle? I bet it's another depressed pilot.”
“Surely a terrorist would want to crash it into the ground for a massive spectacle? I bet it's another depressed pilot.”
I did read a specific comment about the pilot first thing this morning but tbh I took it as a pinch of salt and there doesn't appear to have been anything reported concerning what I read, so it was probably just some fantasist who wrote it.
Originally Posted by TrollHunter:
“Echo.....echo....echo....
No matter how many times you say it, it won't make it true.”
“Echo.....echo....echo....
No matter how many times you say it, it won't make it true.”
I recorded it on my phone so it damn well is true. I'll put it on Youtube if you wish.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“The wreckage has now been found.”
“The wreckage has now been found.”
Good. Hopefully it won't be too long before they can give some indication as to what happened.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“The wreckage has now been found.”
“The wreckage has now been found.”
Some wreckage has been found, no proof that it is the missing plane. Regarding the strange inflight manoeuvers that have been reported by the Greeks, this could be put down as failure of a major component such as the rudder or ailerons
Originally Posted by egghead1:
“Are we going to have reports of "debris" for weeks now just like MH370? which turn out to be sea waste or tins of baked beans or equally silly.”
“Are we going to have reports of "debris" for weeks now just like MH370? which turn out to be sea waste or tins of baked beans or equally silly.”
No, debris has been found and confirmed to belong to the missing plane
Originally Posted by Girth:
“Not all salafists are jihadis, 'salafists' are just conservative muslims.”
“Not all salafists are jihadis, 'salafists' are just conservative muslims.”
Jihad is a fundamental part of Islam, and is followed even more avidly amongst salafists. And yes that does involve waging war, not 'striving'.
Originally Posted by welshfoxy:
“Sorry what?”
“Sorry what?”
Well a plane from Egypt to Russia blew up a few months ago and killed over 200 Russians.
The majority on this flight were Egyptians.
Well the reports coming out are that it was a explosion on board. So it's looking like terrorism once again.
Such an awful thing for the passengers to go through 
I hate flying and this would be my biggest nightmare. I hope nobody had time to react and it was over in secs. Such a horrible death.
If this was caused by extremists, then I hope they rot!
Religion is the biggest killer in the world and people do crazy stuff over someone who doesn't even exist.
I hate flying and this would be my biggest nightmare. I hope nobody had time to react and it was over in secs. Such a horrible death.
If this was caused by extremists, then I hope they rot!
Religion is the biggest killer in the world and people do crazy stuff over someone who doesn't even exist.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“Well the reports coming out are that it was a explosion on board.”
“Well the reports coming out are that it was a explosion on board.”
Which reports? Sky isn't reporting it, nor is the BBC
Originally Posted by Ethel_Fred:
“Which reports? Sky isn't reporting it, nor is the BBC”
“Which reports? Sky isn't reporting it, nor is the BBC”
I just put plan missing into Google and all the tweets come up from
NBC NEWS
Strong indications of an explosion in #EgyptAir crash, U.S. intelligence says nbcnews.to/1ThGjCm
Hilary Clinton
appears to be act of terrorism
CNN
Terrorism weighed as likely cause of crash
US intelligence see sign of explosion midair
Originally Posted by wolfpaw:
“I recorded it on my phone so it damn well is true. I'll put it on Youtube if you wish.”
“I recorded it on my phone so it damn well is true. I'll put it on Youtube if you wish.”
No one's saying a 'Sky News commentator' didn't say it, they're just saying it's almost certainly utter bullshite.
Originally Posted by asyousay:
“I just put plan missing into Google and all the tweets come up from
NBC NEWS
Strong indications of an explosion in #EgyptAir crash, U.S. intelligence says nbcnews.to/1ThGjCm
Hilary Clinton
appears to be act of terrorism
CNN
Terrorism weighed as likely cause of crash
US intelligence see sign of explosion midair”
“I just put plan missing into Google and all the tweets come up from
NBC NEWS
Strong indications of an explosion in #EgyptAir crash, U.S. intelligence says nbcnews.to/1ThGjCm
Hilary Clinton
appears to be act of terrorism
CNN
Terrorism weighed as likely cause of crash
US intelligence see sign of explosion midair”
So they aren't saying it was an explosion.
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