For those here who wonder what "Nicole" is up to this week, here is the answer.

https://weather.com/storms/hurricane...icole-atlantic

Not much peace by the look of it.

If you've ever been on Jury Service LGo7, you'll know the Jury can only convict based upon the evidence they're given.

Therefore if the podcast evidence didn't exist at the time of the trial, it's more likely a conviction would occur as DLT didn't have the basis of 'Reasonable Doubt' to use in mitigation. On appeal, the new evidence was presented as a means to try to overturn the original conviction.

Taking the stand is a serious matter and miscarriages of justice can occur as lying under oath could mean perjury, which can often be an imprisonable offence in itself (up to 7 Years).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perjury

I'd ask you to consider the following:

The effects of someone being prosecuted can be devastating.

Courts rely upon the oath 'the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth' for a reason, and if an element of doubt exists don't you think if it was a family member of yours you'd like a fair trial without bias?

See this miscarriage of justice for clear evidence of a miscarriage of justice based upon untruths (under 'Case Reopened').

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Lesley_Molseed

From the text, and I quote.. "the four girls involved in the court trial admitted that the evidence they had given which had led to Kiszko's arrest and conviction was false, and that they had lied for "a laugh" and because "at the time it was funny".

Is this the basis for a conviction?

You'll no doubt accuse me of being 'serious' or lacking in 'satire', but this is the real World we live in and there's consequences.

I'd ask you to listen again to the Podcast at the appropriate moment in Glorious 12th's post and see if any 'Reasonable Doubt' exists then get back to me, but I suspect you already know the answer.

Edit: And a warm welcome again to the 'Sockpuppet' deployed when an argument is being lost

Watch your language Shady, the Moderators take a very dim view of that kind of thing.

You still won't answer the actual question.

What was the actual lie?


The case of Lesley Molseed has nothing to do with DLT or indeed the question I put to you.

Thank you, I do understand how the judicial system works. That was not what I was asking you.


Who's a 'sockpuppet'?

So, go ahead and report my post. I couldn't care less if I get banned. And I'm not using racist language in the sense that I'm racist. I'm referring to the people on this thread who seem to think the 1970s were just marvelous and we should all go back there. Fine if you're a straight, white middle-class male with no disabilities. Not so fine if you're anything else.

There are far more offensive posts on here than mine but as the Old Boy Network are too busy licking each other's butts and slapping each other's backs they will be praised rather than condemned.

"Andy" clearly thinks I'm a sockpuppet LGo7...which basically means he thinks I'm you posting under another name.

After all, how could anyone possibly disagree with the consensus on this thread?

These crazy "wimmin", eh?

I can assure you I've been posting here for quite some time "Andy" and your accusations will be reported.

The moderators take a very "dim view" of troll hunters darling. Is that patronising enough for you sweetheart?

No, it's about having Respect for other's opinions and giving them a fair hearing, not bulldozing opinion based upon individual preferences.

How the HELL do you know anything about me?

Can you be sure I don't have a disability?

Do you know if I'm straight, bisexual, gay, white or middle-class?

The answer is NO.

YOU presume these things.

Edit:.. and I'm well aware of the 'strategies' you use, so don't expect me to rise to the bait again 'both' of you

What? Just like you presumed I was a sockpuppet?

People in glass houses, etc.

And if you don't want to be tarred with the same brush as the "Club" on here then don't make excuses for a sex offender. If you fly with the crows you get shot with them.

I see.

All the more strange as I wasn't losing any kind of argument. Just asking a question.

What are you going on about "strategies"? How weird.

So basically if you're losing an argument I've deployed witchcraft to bamboozle you.

..ok then...

EDIT (see, I can do that too). The passive-aggressive "smileys" don't cut it with me pal. I strongly suggest that when you're in a hole, you stop digging.

...and if we were sock puppets of each other, the mods would have made the connection several years ago and banned us "both".

How childish and sad that you can't accept more than one person might have a differing opinion to you and your herd. And you have the nerve to speak of bulldozing. Hmmm.

I see what you're implying here but I can assure you that Shady_Pines1 and I are totally independent of each other. Past post history would prove that and so to throw such an accusation just makes you look silly. Me and Shady share similar views on some subjects but that doesn't mean we're one and the same person.

I have just Googled this and the very first answer suggested a fairy. I'm not sure how Jedikiah would feel about this

- Poor Jedikiah!


Errr ^^ I take that last comment back. - It looks as if World War 3 is just about to kick off on here now!!

No Ursula. Just some of us believe that being objectified by men and having several posters minimise and excuse the behaviour of a sex offender in order to show a 35 year old TV programme is a little "off".

Well I wish that 35 year old programme was on tonight - we might have something else to comment on!

I now understand clearly just why so many posted views in private to you on this subject rather than here.

Did I miss a bit on here?

I mean, are we really saying Glorious 12th is Noel Edmonds?

I mean, really?

I agree completely with G12th that people should express their opinions openly here about DLT. Sending secretive PMs just tends to give the impression to me (rightly or wrongly) of someone interested in currying favour with a "celebrity" more than anything else.

Haha - I actually like 'Tarzan Boy'.

Got to say that 'She Sells Sanctuary' has to be one of my fave rock songs - adore it!

I'm currently enjoying the 1982 episodes of Top Of The Pops. Not keen though on the pinky colour that's been used a lot on some of the programmes - it's a bit distracting.

1982 was the year I bought my first single(s) - 6 ex-chart singles from '82 for £1 (if memory serves me right); on holiday in Blackpool with my Mum & Dad in September 1982.

For what it is worth my opinion on the issue is that Dave Lee Travis is a convicted sex offender. This fact cannot be denied. He was found guilty of sexual assault by a jury in a court of law. The situation is what it is and accepting this legal verdict, I would never dream of acting as an excuser or apologist for the actions he has been found guilty of committing.
Stating that, we should also accept that if the conviction is now spent and he has served his time, so to speak, it would not be right in my view to keep him off the TOTP repeats now.

Don't you do anything more very daring that this timid alcopop, Rich Tea? Are you sure you aren't secretly necking down the J.D. or a wee dram on your sleepless nights?

Sad to hear about Rod Temperton,
came up with some brilliant tracks, my favourites being Boogie Nights (a stone cold classic which symbolises 70s disco) and Groove Line from them, George Benson's superb 'Give Me the Night' (never realised until yesterday that he was responsible for that one) and Michael McDonald's 'Sweet Freedom' and McDonald's collaboration with James ingrams 'Ya Mo Be There' (also never knew he wrote these either).
A very talented, versatile song writer. RIP but his great work will live forever.

There was a dreadful period in the mid 80s where we had extremely corny, cringeworthy Euro pap (sorry, pop) hits inflicted on us from the likes of Baltimora and Sabrina to name but two offenders. Weren't these type of hits a result of being promoted on Jonathan King's BBC2 shows, IIRC.
Anyone else recall other Europap hits from the period?

I was hoping this thread wouldn't get too political but it seems that was a forlorn wish.