[quote=SgtRock;84534264]Not staying up until 12:30 for the repeat, QUOTE]

Treat yourself to an early Christmas present, a Panasonic Blu-ray recorder.
Hit the 'series record' button on the remote and you will have all the late editions recorded onto your hard drive (regardless of what time they start/finish) which then can be burnt to Blu-ray/DVD.

http://www.johnlewis.com/panasonic-d...-play/p2737349

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I have all my hard disk recording / series recording / episode archiving needs covered, thanks!

The track just isn't that memorable as a single release, in my opinion. However, "18 Carat Love Affair" has much to offer as a more general listening experience. For me, through the track would most likely sink within the obvious type of commercial material MTV generally caters for, whatever the video. Artistically i think the song triumphs, but hit single potential is a rather a different set of principles.

'18 Carat Love Affair' is based on the playout track of the Sulk album - an instrumental entitled 'nothinginsomethingparticular'. I have no idea if they put that on the album knowing it was an instrumental version of a future single –*but I rather suspect doing a vocal version came afterwards, as the lyrics sound a little forced to me … I'm also not sure the vocal suits the music in the way that both were so brilliantly matched in 'Party Fears Two' and 'Club Country' (and the rest of Sulk).

I still think they should've released 'Skipping' from the album, it's a great track & with it's upbeat tempo, it surely would've made the Top 10 or certainly Top 20!
- Mind you - there's plenty of upbeat songs (from other bands) that failed to make the Top 20, so maybe not.....

I agree there are great tracks on Sulk - but also on the previous album, Fourth Drawer Down … which didn't really get beyond David Jensen's and John Peel's Radio 1 shows.

I almost wished they'd gone back to that - but I suspect WEA wanted more from the thousands of pounds the group had wangled out of them to pay for the Sulk sessions!

Such a shame relations between Billy Mackenzie and Alan Rankine soured so quickly and so badly - so much wasted potential.

The full title of the single was 'Chalkdust - The Umpire Strikes Back' which was a play on the title of the 1980 'Star Wars' sequel 'The Empire Strikes Back'. I've never seen the film but I assume it featured machine guns which produced similar sounds to those on the record. The Brat's summary execution may have been meant in jest but IMO the convulsions he went into when the bullets entered his body as he lay on the ground were too extreme and inappropriate for a light entertainment programme.


What struck me was the similarity in the melody in the "The hopes we had were much too high, Way out of reach but we had to try, No need to hide no need to run, Cause all the answers come one by one" refrain in the 1988 Freiheit track (at 1.00 in the link below) ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-MmzB-tnQE

.... and the "We have no past, we won't reach back, Keep with me forward all through the night, And once we start the meter clicks, And it goes running all through the night" chorus in the 1984 Cyndi Lauper track (at 0.40 in the link below) ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDSNZTo8js

The two melodies are virtually indistinguishable.


I don't know if you're familiar with 'Rattus Norvegicus' but while 'Sometimes' probably sounds most like The Doors overall, from a keyboards perspective I'd say Dave Greenfield's sound on 'Princess of the Streets' is more akin to that of Ray Manzarek.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ER41WqmdzH8


In 1968 nineteen year old Lulu was given her own TV series by the BBC which coincided with Andy Williams' 'Can't Take My Eyes Off You' chart run and she covered the song on one of her shows. Personally I prefer her version to Andy Williams but perhaps I'm just biased because she's nicer to look at.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Lo-2cM_1Po

Correction


BIB - (at 1:48 in the link below)

In the same way as almost any nine year old boy will have pretended to be killed or anyone who's seen a western or gangster movie will be familiar with.

Scarcely inappropriate....

John Wayne Is Big Leggy......another innocent childhood memory totally besmirched.

But violent westerns and gangster movies tend to be X-rated - TOTP was supposed to be family friendly and I doubt many parents would allow young children to sit down at 7.30pm to watch 'Get Carter' or 'Soldier Blue'.

And in my experience nine year old boys just fall down when they pretend to get shot - they don't go into spasms.

Marvellous.
The problem being with most hard drive machines is when the unit breaks all recordings are lost, always wise to export to Blu-ray for archival purposes.

18 Carat Love Affair is one of the weakest songs on the Sulk album in my opinion but I can understand why they released it because it's a bit more "conventional" than most of the other tracks and they probably thought it would get more radio play. I would have released one of the others like Nude Spoons, Skipping, Bap de la Bap, Gloomy Sunday, or — my personal favourite — No which has a sort of haunted house atmosphere to it.

Yeah, but what if a burglar breaks into your house and steals your hard drives AND your Blu-Rays? Optical discs have been known to fail as well. If you're meant to lose 'em, you're gonna lose 'em! All part of the great lottery of life...

The older I get & the more music forums I read - the more I find out that a lot of our childhood songs are not just innocent pop songs.
Without trying to sound like Mary Whitehouse, I do wonder why there is the need to be blatantly sexual in some songs? I mean what purpose does it serve? Does it make the song any better? - No.
I don't mind subtle lyrics that make you think - they're fine - but what is wrong with your average lyrics about heartache, break ups, falling in love, fights, jealousy, pain etc etc...?

Also without sounding too naive - why the name John Wayne?

I know how you feel, I feel so naive no knowing that It's My Party was about condoms.

Or that Come on Eileen was about a certain sexual act.

Originally Posted by dermott100
Yeah, I see what you mean with that last link. Keeping the Dream alive has a lot of that Cindy Lauper All Through the Night "groove" to it.
What struck me was the similarity in the melody in the "The hopes we had were much too high, Way out of reach but we had to try, No need to hide no need to run, Cause all the answers come one by one" refrain in the 1988 Freiheit track (at 1.00 in the link below) ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-MmzB-tnQE

.... and the "We have no past, we won't reach back, Keep with me forward all through the night, And once we start the meter clicks, And it goes running all through the night" chorus in the 1984 Cyndi Lauper track (at 0.40 in the link below) ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqDSNZTo8js

The two melodies are virtually indistinguishable.


ME

No I do not disagree with you - the two songs are very very similar but what provides the difference for me is the string / keyboard accompaniment to Cindy Laupers All through the Night, which is not there on the Freiheit single..

It is a bit like the Huey Lewis and the news song, (now this is where my memory plays tricks with me) I want a new Drug and Ray Parker Junior Ghostbusters. To me, they are two very similar songs, but there is enough of a difference for me to say (to myself of course ) that they are different songs.

And again with the lawsuit earlier on this year between Led Zeppelin and Spirit. The two songs (Stairway to Heaver and...er...the other one...) are very similar but there is enough of a difference for me to think that they are different tunes.

Not sure if you will agree, but in all these cases, I can see why the cases were either lost, or settlements were agreed to, as it is damn difficult to prove that the songs are the same.

The bottom line is, is a song a copy of another song, or was it heavily influenced by ... er... influence from another band? Not sure if a jury in a copyright case can decide properly, as it is all very subjective for different people.

Hope this all makes sense as it is difficult to articulate exactly what I am trying to express (it being 8.20 on a Saturday night

Haha!

Thats why you back up to a cloud server. The whole advantage of todays technology is that you DONT have to lose anything. There is no lottery. No excuse for anyone losing anything treasured these days.

The best performance and song this week on TOTP is without doubt from Toto Coelo with the fantastic I Eat Cannibals which I proudly have in my digital music collection. Wish I'd bought it at the time. It's classic!

That Toto Coelo performance was actually featured back on BBC2's TV Hell night on Bank Holiday Monday 31st August 1992 in a 25 minute section presented by John Peel about bad taste called Rock Bottom.

https://youtu.be/7f_A_frJKP4?t=11m50s

I recorded the whole evening on VHS tape that night and still have it. TOTP has rich pickings of course.

I had their single 'Cruising the Streets' in 1981.
It was very popular in the gay discos I used to go to back then (with my gay brother)
As a straight female, I had to be signed in as his guest, because the clubs were meant to be exclusively gay.....how times have changed since then.

They had THE best music.

It was a very good performance I agree and was probably the best thing on along with Haysi Fantayzee

Seven Degrees of Separation style...

You could also go from Ray Parker Jr's Ghostbusters to The Bar Kays' Soul Finger.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfK1IPLpcqs
Last edited by Lab : 12-11-2016 at 21:43

Not bothering with w/e 7th August 1982 chart from Thursday's edition, here's Friday's show full chart.


UK Top 75 Singles Chart for w/e 14th August 1982.

First broadcast on Radio 1 with Paul Burnett @ 12.45pm, Tuesday 10th August 1982 - A boring top five reveal as stand-in with no change - DLT was doing the summer roadshow this week and was at Cleethorpes this day.

1. (1) Dexy's Midnight Runners With The Emerald Express - Come On Eileen
2. (2) Irene Cara - Fame
3. (3) Yazoo - Don't Go
4. (4) Madness - Driving In My Car
5. (5) Hot Chocolate - It Started With A Kiss
6. (29) Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger
7. (8) Kid Creole And The Coconuts - Stool Pigeon
8. (11) The Stranglers - Strange Little Girl
9. (21) Bad Manners - My Girl Lollipop (My Boy Lollipop)
10. (7) Bananarama - Shy Boy
11. (9) Japan - I Second That Emotion
12. (19) The Belle Stars - The Clapping Song
13. (6) Trio - Da Da Da
14. (10) Cliff Richard - The Only Way Out
15. (15) Paul McCartney - Take It Away
16. (17) The Firm - Arthur Daley (E's Alright)
17. (13) David Essex - Me And My Girl (Night-Clubbing)
18. (22) Donna Summer - Love Is In Control (Finger On The Trigger)
19. (20) Brat - Chalk Dust - The Umpire Strikes Back
20. (25) Junior - Too Late
21. (39) Boystown Gang - Can't Take My Eyes Off You
22. (26) Haysi Fantayzee - John Wayne Is Big Leggy
23. (47) Kool And The Gang - Big Fun
24. (16) Visage - Night Train
25. (34) Associates - 18 Carat Love Affair/Love Hangover
26. (31) The Fun Boy Three - Summertime
27. (27) Wavelength - Hurry Home
28. (12) The Steve Miller Band - Abracadabra
29. (18) Dollar - Videotheque
30. (40) Sylvian Sakamoto - Bamboo Houses/Bamboo Music
31. (14) Shalamar - A Night To Remember
32. (30) The Clash - Rock The Casbah
33. (27) Leo Sayer - Heart (Stop Beating In Time)
34. (70) Toto Coelo - I Eat Cannibals (Part 1)
35. (24) Bucks Fizz - Now Those Days Are Gone
36. (35) Talk Talk - Today
37. (23) Odyssey - Inside Out
38. (38) Sheena Easton - Machinery
39. (43) Pink Floyd - When The Tigers Broke Free
40. (69) Tom Tom Club - Under The Boardwalk

The lower Top 75 positions;

41. (68) Diana Ross - It's Never Too Late
42. (48) The Psychedelic Furs - Love My Way
43. (25) Scritti Politti - Asylums In Jerusalem/Jacques Derrida
44. (41) Tight Fit - Secret Heart
45. (73) China Crisis - African And White
46. (New) The Kids From 'Fame' Featuring Valerie Landsberg - Hi Fidelity
47. (46) Blancmange - Feel Me
48. (49) Kate Bush - The Dreaming
49. (33) Elkie Brooks - Nights In White Satin
50. (67) 10cc - Run Away
51. (New) Sting - Spread A Little Happiness
52. (32) Natasha - Iko Iko
53. (56) Philip Jap - Save Us
54. (65) Rocky Sharpe And The Replays - Clap Your Hands
55. (37) Imagination - Music And Lights
56. (New) Captain Sensible - Wot
57. (New) Modern Romance Featuring John du Prez - Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White
58. (54) Soft Cell - Tainted Love
59. (52) The McCrarys - Love On A Summer Night
60. (57) Cheap Trick - If You Want My Love
61. (51) Willie Nelson - Always On My Mind
62. (60) Ken Barrie - Postman Pat
63. (42) Lynyrd Skynyrd - Free Bird
64. (New) Thomas Dolby - Windpower
65. (55) Prelude - Only The Lonely (Know The Way I Feel)
66. (44) Blondie - War Child
67. (New) Rocker's Revenge Featuring Donnie Calvin - Walking On Sunshine
68. (New) King Trigger - The River
69. (45) The Cure - The Hanging Garden
70. (New) David Christie - Saddle Up
71. (36) Cheri - Murphy's Law
72. (71) Louis Clark Conducting The Royal Philharmonic Orchestra - If You Knew Sousa (And Friends)
73. (62) Toyah - Ieya
74. (50) Captain Sensible - Happy Talk
75. (53) Midge Ure - No Regrets

Summary

8 New entries.
26 Up.
33 Down.
8 Non movers.

Longest song on chart is Tainted Love by Soft Cell - 29 weeks.

Could be the way John Wayne walked as if he had a 'Big Leggy'?

I thought his famous stride was due to all them Years straddling a horse i.e. 'walking like John Wayne', but apparently not.

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