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I disagree with those who are knocking The Associates. For me, even with ''18 Carat Love Affair'', which i believe to be an ill suited single release, the arrangements, and Billy's voice is always very interesting, because those songs don't go for the obvious, or some stereotypical type arrangements. They are challenging, and very different to the norm (and especially for the generally more conservative sounds of 82). However, i do feel that it is very much ''Party Fears Two'', which has been their standout single release. The song also grabs people of all tastes, as I have noticed nearly all of the regulars on here with all our various musical tastes like it - which is rare in itself!! ![]() It's just a shame The Associates could never come up to that standard again & have a lasting career. (P.S - On a totally different note - Just to add I was also a fan of 'Why' by Carla Simon, but lately it brings back bad memories for me regarding someone I thought was a friend. Funny how music can change depending on your emotions)! |
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The Associates singer sound influenced by Bowie, so those who are more attuned to that kind of vocal will probably like them more.
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Another vote for me for 'Why' - utterly sublime from start to finish. Completely flawless.
When I first heard it about five years ago I literally played it about 20 times in a row I was so taken by it. I wouldn't say it's my favourite song of 1982 because there are plenty of others competing for that spot, (such as for example Today / Talk Talk, Ghosts / Japan, Save A Prayer / Duran Duran, Videotheque / Dollar), but it's certainly in my top 20 for the year.I love this video of Carly singing the song while walking around a big city. Does anyone know which city it is? I assume it's probably New York but I'm not sure: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aW8UnXzP3ms |
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The Associates singer sound influenced by Bowie, so those who are more attuned to that kind of vocal will probably like them more.
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At this time, WEA routinely marketed 12" singles with big stickers '12" for the price of a 7"' emblazoned across them - I have some of these, too.
But I remember other independent record shops in Leeds selling 12" singles from other labels for 99p - 'Magic's Wand' by Whodini and 'Planet Rock' by Africa Bambaataa among them. Am I right in saying the "12" for the price of a 7" only featured in chart return shops & did the sale of a 12" count for proportionately more sales than that of a 7" back then, in a similar way to how streaming counts as a ratio to the Official Chart sales in 2016 (10 streams=1 sale I think). Edit: 100 streams= 1 'sale' |
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Couple of (geeky) questions re the above which you might be able to answer Servalan.
Am I right in saying the "12" for the price of a 7" only featured in chart return shops & did the sale of a 12" count for proportionately more sales than that of a 7" back then, in a similar way to how streaming counts as a ratio to the Official Chart sales in 2016 (10 streams=1 sale I think). Edit: 100 streams= 1 'sale' I'm sure WEA's promotions (and those of other companies) must have been targeted at chart return shops. I can't believe they wouldn't have been. And those price-related promotions were nothing compared to what happened in 1978 and 1979, with coloured vinyl, shaped records and picture discs used to get singles into the charts - or the cheeky trend of the mid-80s where a single would be issued, then re-promoted via a remix. I very much doubt the sale of a 12" single would count for more than the sale of a 7", though – otherwise 'Blue Monday' would have been Number One!
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Watching Yazoo I keep imagining a third album with Adele replacing Alison Moyet.
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Another vote for me for 'Why' - utterly sublime from start to finish. Completely flawless.
![]() For anyone interested I'll also recommend checking out her rather delightful 1990 album called Have You Seen Me Lately? which never charted in the UK which was a disgrace. Full of good songs by her, one or two which ought to have been hit singles. I like her chart career which was a top ten hit every 5 years, You're So Vain in 1972, then Nobody Does It Better in 1977, then it was 1982's wonderful Why? and ending with Coming Around Again in 1987. Alas in 1992 no hit again. |
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I think there's another FM who actually worked in a chart return shop and is probably better qualified than me to answer your questions - but I'll give it a go …
I'm sure WEA's promotions (and those of other companies) must have been targeted at chart return shops. I can't believe they wouldn't have been. And those price-related promotions were nothing compared to what happened in 1978 and 1979, with coloured vinyl, shaped records and picture discs used to get singles into the charts - or the cheeky trend of the mid-80s where a single would be issued, then re-promoted via a remix. I very much doubt the sale of a 12" single would count for more than the sale of a 7", though – otherwise 'Blue Monday' would have been Number One! ![]() As you've guessed, a sale of a 12" single counts exactly the same as a sale of a 7" single, they were and still are treated as one sale. And that also applied to double pack 7" singles, another promotional tool that record companies employed in the early to mid 80s and which once again were more likely to be found in chart return shops. |
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Just passing by and thought I'd add to the love for Carly Simon's 'Why?' A wonderful single. I'm sure I remember the vid featured on TOTP's but it looks like a Zoo performance and a playout. We'll get both of them (very soon!
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I was having a wee look back on where we would be if it had stayed as once a week 35 years to the week format. We didn't get November 12th edition as it was a DLT show but on November 5th 1981 Zoo would have made their debut, dancing to ELO's 'Twilight'. 'It's My Party' was on it's last week at No.1 and The Police were about to get their solo week at No.1 with 'Every Little Thing She Does is Magic'.
So we're effectively 9 months ahead of where we would have been if it had stayed the same. I know opinions differ regards having 2 years in 1 so to speak but I'm just glad to be getting them. I can't shake off that nervous feeling that they might stop at any moment if someone else is proved to have a dubious past. I think we're gonna be ok though!
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I can feel another universal love-in taking place for Carly Simon's 'Why'.
I'd like to also add my 'Good Love' to say it's a chooon of the highest quality & one of Chic's best, only narrowly beaten by Spacer. Any takers for a Chic Production Top 10 (including Blackburn's Chick!) |
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One of the incidental annoyances is with 2 episodes a Week it's a struggle keeping up with the comments on here (worse if there's a couple of Yewtrees in the road)
No consideration for DS forumites these media types! |
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The worst thing is that the Beeb don't realise it's a struggle keeping up with the comments on here with two episodes a Week (worse if there's a couple of Yewtrees in the road)
No consideration these media types! Don't the Beeb realise TOTP out-trumps Trump in a game of Top Trumps? And while I'm at it, can someone please explain why I'm suddenly quoting Nellie the Elephant? I know, absolutely no consideration from the BBC. We should maybe email them to complain! ![]() This is such a healthy thread though. It doesn't half move at times. You can disappear for a day or two and come back and it's moved on a few pages! I reckon most of us still can't get 'Trump' out of our heads at the moment. Quote away with 'Nellie The Elephant'. A great fun novelty song that we should be getting on TOTP's in just over a years time if all goes to plan! ![]() Edit: Hmmm, The Toy Dolls feature on the same edition as Gary Glitter but I guess they'll just edit Glitter out. |
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I know, absolutely no consideration from the BBC. We should maybe email them to complain! ![]() This is such a healthy thread though. It doesn't half move at times. You can disappear for a day or two and come back and it's moved on a few pages! I reckon most of us still can't get 'Trump' out of our heads at the moment. Quote away with 'Nellie The Elephant'. A great fun novelty song that we should be getting on TOTP's in just over a years time if all goes to plan! ![]() Edit: Hmmm, The Toy Dolls feature on the same edition as Gary Glitter but I guess they'll just edit Glitter out. It's definitely a lot busier since the days of 1976 with veterans like Old Father Tea! Mind you, Rammy probably didn't help the DS servers by quoting the whole capers in reply haha!
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To give some idea of how quickly the forum moves, I only posted the last capers on Thursday, it's now only Monday & we've jumped 20 pages!
It's definitely grown since the days of 1976 with veterans like Old Father Tea! Mind you, Rammy probably didn't help the DS servers by quoting the whole capers in reply haha! ![]() ![]() Any way - can't resist your gauntlet, Andy. 1.Spacer - Sheila & B Devotion 2.Upside Down - Diana Ross 3.Good Times - Chic 4.Thinking of you - Sister Sledge 5.He's the greatest dancer - Sister Sledge 6.Everybody Dance - Chic 7.We are family - Sister Sledge 8.I want your love - Chic 9.I'm coming out - Diana Ross 10.Why - Carly Simon There are 2 wonderful Chic tracks on the LP 'C'est chic' entitled 'Happy Man' and the sublime 'Sometimes you win' I did not include these as they were not singles. Another good track is Sister Sledge's 'Pretty Baby'. I've only included singles where Nile and Bernie both featured. |
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I know, absolutely no consideration from the BBC. We should maybe email them to complain! ![]() This is such a healthy thread though. It doesn't half move at times. You can disappear for a day or two and come back and it's moved on a few pages! I reckon most of us still can't get 'Trump' out of our heads at the moment. Quote away with 'Nellie The Elephant'. A great fun novelty song that we should be getting on TOTP's in just over a years time if all goes to plan! ![]() Edit: Hmmm, The Toy Dolls feature on the same edition as Gary Glitter but I guess they'll just edit Glitter out. Here's an anagram of Donald Trump And Mike Pence - "Popular decent kind madmen" To keep it on topic I have a good one for Carly Simon - "Lyrics Moan" - which they kind of do on Why? |
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Cheeky shite! I've already had my knuckles rapped for that !
![]() Any way - can't resist your gauntlet, Andy. 1.Spacer - Sheila & B Devotion 2.Upside Down - Diana Ross 3.Good Times - Chic 4.Thinking of you - Sister Sledge 5.He's the greatest dancer - Sister Sledge 6.Everybody Dance - Chic 7.We are family - Sister Sledge 8.I want your love - Chic 9.I'm coming out - Diana Ross 10.Why - Carly Simon There are 2 wonderful Chic tracks on the LP 'C'est chic' entitled 'Happy Man' and the sublime 'Sometimes you win' I did not include these as they were not singles. Another good track is Sister Sledge's 'Pretty Baby'. I've only included singles where Nile and Bernie both featured. ). My top three would be1. Why 2. I'm Coming Out 3. Thinking of You |
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To give some idea of how quickly the forum moves, I only posted the last capers on Thursday, it's now only Monday & we've jumped 20 pages.
It's definitely a lot busier since the days of 1976 with veterans like Old Father Tea! Mind you, Rammy probably didn't help the DS servers by quoting the whole capers in reply haha! ![]() ![]() Your last Countdown Capers was quite some heavy going. I had to read it twice. It took me quite a while. It must have taken you ages to think about, even before you wrote it up, unless you can do it off the cuff. Good stuff much appreciated once I managed to fully digest it properly. ![]() I hearby pronounce you with the new title of "TOTP Laureate". |
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It's possible to watch the 26th August 1982 episode of TOTP online, but can't find 2nd September at the moment. Hopefully someone has a copy.
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Cheeky shite! I've already had my knuckles rapped for that !
![]() Any way - can't resist your gauntlet, Andy. 1.Spacer - Sheila & B Devotion 2.Upside Down - Diana Ross 3.Good Times - Chic 4.Thinking of you - Sister Sledge 5.He's the greatest dancer - Sister Sledge 6.Everybody Dance - Chic 7.We are family - Sister Sledge 8.I want your love - Chic 9.I'm coming out - Diana Ross 10.Why - Carly Simon There are 2 wonderful Chic tracks on the LP 'C'est chic' entitled 'Happy Man' and the sublime 'Sometimes you win' I did not include these as they were not singles. Another good track is Sister Sledge's 'Pretty Baby'. I've only included singles where Nile and Bernie both featured. Carly Simon's "Why" does seem in retrospect, to be their last great moment, and the last one which shows their classic Chic sound coming together most effectively. Chic's final album from 1983 seemed marred by terrible over production, which seems to completely take away all those elements that made them great in the first place. They were definitely desperate to remain contemporary sounding at this time, but they were no longer setting the trends anymore - they were following others (one could also argue that was a knock on effect of the anti disco backlash from 79). Bernard Edwards bass lines were such an integral part of the charm of the Chic sound, because alone, Nile Rodgers doesn't strike me as being nearly so effective, although i did enjoy some of his work on David Bowie's 'Let's Dance' album. However, sometimes though, it is also a case of wanting to move on, and not risk repeating yourself. The producers role by the mid eighties was also becoming seen as almost as important as the acts themselves. I really didn't care for Nile's production work for Madonna, Mick Jagger and Duran Duran, amongst others, during the eighties. |
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I have to agree. Carly Simon's ''Why'' is one of the best tracks of 1982. It was a fine collaboration between Carly, and Chic's Nile Rodgers and Bernard Edwards.
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When I first heard it about five years ago I literally played it about 20 times in a row I was so taken by it. I wouldn't say it's my favourite song of 1982 because there are plenty of others competing for that spot, (such as for example Today / Talk Talk, Ghosts / Japan, Save A Prayer / Duran Duran, Videotheque / Dollar), but it's certainly in my top 20 for the year.

I know, absolutely no consideration from the BBC. We should maybe email them to complain! 