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Old 28-11-2016, 21:17
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If all you are looking for from Bowie is a"memorable tune" then it is possible that you would not really get his later material.
People can be as arty as they want, but if a tune isn't memorable it is unlikely to be remembered.
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Old 28-11-2016, 21:21
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People can be as arty as they want, but if a tune isn't memorable it is unlikely to be remembered.
Fair enough. Horses for courses or whatever the cliche is.
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Old 28-11-2016, 21:38
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That's similar to me. I won't like most hip hop, that's for those who have bought into the whole culture of it. And that's how it is looked at often I think, not simply just music. But I can appreciate things here and there anyway as I made an effort to listen to older stuff and modern stuff and work out what I think is more creative or fresher (and separating what I think is just hyped).

Key things for me are a powerful voice (attitude), interesting rhythms, sometimes an interesting production and some catchiness. Sometimes that can be encouraged by good lyrics. It leads on from r&b music, and I think it can be looked at from that simple rhythmic energy, but also combined with an underground attitude which may be meant to shock those not ready for it. There are also more 'pop' songs around the world which incorporate a hip-hop element into them to add some attitude and energy, some can be quite successful from my experience. As with anything I just think it depends on how well it's done and not the style used per se.

But for me that's from listening to music and not reading about it or watching something on it. Nothing beats listening to as much as possible. Words are pretty much pointless I think it's about adjusting the brain to have a better understanding of different styles. If I feel I can understand and appreciate some things of a style then I definitely think that's progress. Also I think the top 40, or even just a Western perspective, are limitations that may not always help
It is interesting to see how much debate and opinion music/TOTPs inspires here on the forum. I know I haven't commented for ages but I have still been watching TOTPs and discussing the shows away from the forum! I watched a lot of the 1982 shows at the time but I was only 8. This post made me think about how I appreciate music and I think I am such a fan of early rock 'n' roll because it's good to dance to and I engage with it in a different way than if I just sit and listen. I suppose I engage more with the beat etc and it releases different chemicals in my brain (whatever?). Anyway I've particularly enjoyed Adam Ant and his pirate image!! I thought he was entertaining when I was 8 and that judgement still stands!
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Old 28-11-2016, 22:28
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No idea, you tell me. In the meantime if you could desist from further racist postings it would be appreciated.
BIB - referring to a large crowd of African migrants who plan to enter Britain illegally rather than apply through the correct channels as "this lot" is racist?

Seems a bit hysterical if you ask me.

Hello Andy.

Just to check, with that link, are you implying that either or both Pedrok and Littlegirlof7 are trolls?

If so, then you and I have both very different opinions of what a troll is.
All I will say is this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BO8EpfyCG2Y

and that's it.

(Sorry late edit. Forgot to add a smiley)
Hello Dermott.

Just to check, with that link, are you implying that I am a racist?

If so, then you and I have both very different opinions of what a racist is.
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Old 28-11-2016, 22:32
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Just saw an article saying that Colonel Abrams died. He's probably best remembered in the UK by his 1985 hit 'Trapped'. Sounds like he had a sad end to his life.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38129229

Colonel Abrams: 'Trapped' Top of the Pops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNtjnoZmu84
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Old 28-11-2016, 23:46
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Bates outing himself as the embarrassing Dad - Shakatak were never even the best live act in the room, let alone the country.
They're playing at my local Pizza Express next week!
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Old 28-11-2016, 23:53
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Was this the same singer in Survivor who sang on 'Burning Heart' from '86?
No this was Dave Bickler, who left before Burning Heart. Then re-joined. Then left. Then.....

The lead singer of Burning Heart, Jimi someone, passed away a couple of years ago.

SORRY -just realised someone else posted this. At least we said the same thing!
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Old 29-11-2016, 00:03
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Rightee oh.

That is also going on my playlist as well.

I reckon that the next two hours will fly by.
Add his duet with Charlene (of I've Never Been to Me fame) called "Used to Be" to that list....
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Old 29-11-2016, 00:10
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UK Top 75 Singles Chart for w/e 18th September 1982 - Broadcast Radio 1, DLT @ 12.45pm Tues 14th Sept 1982.

1. (1) Survivor - Eye Of The Tiger
2. (4) Dire Straits - Private Investigations
3. (2) Duran Duran - Save A Prayer
4. (5) Rocker's Revenge Featuring Donnie Calvin - Walking On Sunshine
5. (New) The Jam - The Bitterest Pill (I Ever Had To Swallow)
6. (8) ABC - All Of My Heart
7. (6) The Kids From 'Fame' Featuring Valerie Landsberg - Hi Fidelity
8. (13) Grandmaster Flash And The Furious Five - The Message
9. (3) Dexy's Midnight Runners With The Emerald Express - Come On Eileen
10. (17) Shalamar - There It Is
11. (11) Shakin' Stevens - Give Me Your Heart Tonight
12. (19) David Christie - Saddle Up
13. (9) Toto Coelo - I Eat Cannibals (Part 1)
14. (14) Talk Talk - Today
15. (7) Soft Cell - What
16. (12) Haircut 100 - Nobody's Fool
17. (24) Carly Simon - Why
18. (29) Evelyn King - Love Come Down
19. (10) Boystown Gang - Can't Take My Eyes Off You
20. (15) Modern Romance Featuring John du Prez - Cherry Pink And Apple Blossom White
21. (16) Sting - Spread A Little Happiness
22. (New) Adam Ant - Friend Or Foe
23. (21) Depeche Mode - Leave In Silence
24. (28) Shakatak - Invitations
25. (22) Tom Tom Club - Under The Boardwalk
26. (18) Haysi Fantayzee - John Wayne Is Big Leggy
27. (27) UB40 - So Here I Am
28. (38) Simple Minds - Glittering Prize
29. (20) Irene Cara - Fame
30. (23) Kool And The Gang - Big Fun
31. (40) Wonder Dogs - Ruff Mix
32. (31) Thomas Dolby - Windpower
33. (46) Chicago - Hard To Say I'm Sorry
34. (41) Jennifer Holliday - And I'm Telling You I'm Not Going
35. (33) Associates - 18 Carat Love Affair/Love Hangover
36. (61) Mari Wilson - Just What I Always Wanted
37. (25) Gary Numan - White Boys And Heroes
38. (37) Showaddywaddy - Who Put The Bomp (In The Bompa-A-Bomp-A-Bomp)
39. (32) Wavelength - Hurry Home
40. (New) Fat Larry's Band - Zoom

The lower Top 75 positions;


41. (26) Captain Sensible - Wot
42. (30) Yazoo - Don't Go
43. (70) Sylvester With Patrick Cowley - Do Ya Wanna Funk
44. (63) Odyssey - Magic Touch
45. (47) Howard Johnson - So Fine
46. (44) Natasha - The Boom Boom Room
47. (55) Aretha Franklin - Jump To It
48. (35) Hot Chocolate - It Started With A Kiss
49. (72) Journey - Who's Crying Now
50. (42) Rush - New World Man
51. (50) Gillan - Living For The City
52. (69) Michael Schenker Group - Dancer
53. (48) Frida - I Know There's Something Going On
54. (75) The Sugarhill Gang - The Lover In You
55. (52) The Steve Miller Band - Keeps Me Wondering Why
56. (75) Dennis Brown - Halfway Up, Halfway Down
57. (62) Billy Fury - Love Or Money
58. (68) Billy Idol - Hot In The City
59. (New) Dollar - Give Me Some Kinda Magic
60. (54) Fashion - Love Shadow
61. (39) The Stranglers - Strange Little Girl
62. (New) Pinkees - Danger Games
63. (64) Tygers Of Pan Tang - Paris By Air
64. (New) The Beat - Jeanette
65. (58) Irene Cara - Out Here On My Own Tonight
66. (New) Culture Club - Do You Really Want To Hurt Me?
67. (67) Diamond Head - In The Heat Of The Night
68. (New) CaVa CaVa - Where's Romeo?
69. (49) Pete Townshend - Uniforms (Corps D'Esprit)
70. (New) The Animals - House Of The Rising Sun {1982}
71. (34) The Fun Boy Three - Summertime
72. (36) Donna Summer - Love Is In Control (Finger On The Trigger)
73. (New) Stiff Little Fingers - Bits Of Kids
74. (New) Asia - Only Time Will Tell
75. (45) Kid Creole And The Coconuts - Stool Pigeon


Summary

11 New entries.
25 Up.
34 Down.
5 Non movers.

Longest song in chart Come On Eileen by Dexy's Midnight Runners - 11 weeks.
Interesting to see Asia creeping in at 74 with their second (and best) single. They were the original "supergroup" with members of King Crimson, Yes and ELP, and were huge for a while in the US with number one single and album. Yet they never replicated that success here. Strange.
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Old 29-11-2016, 00:12
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No this was Dave Bickler, who left before Burning Heart. Then re-joined. Then left. Then.....

The lead singer of Burning Heart, Jimi someone, passed away a couple of years ago.

SORRY -just realised someone else posted this. At least we said the same thing!
Thanks for that though Rolling Stone. I was sure one of the band had died but wasn't sure if it was the singer of 'Eye of the Tiger' or 'Burning Heart'. 'Burning Heart' is a great song.
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Old 29-11-2016, 00:39
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Who is your favourite Beatle?

Me, After years and years of veering towards Paul McCartney (but still being extremely fond of Lennon) my simple answer is George Harrison.

I never took much notice of Harrison until he died in 2001. For some reason, his death really affected me, more so than Lennons in 1980, and I borrowed a load his albums from our local library. Through doing that and checking my computer, I found that he was responsible for Here Comes the Sun, Something, I Me Mine, If I Needed Someone, Taxman, While my Guitar Gently Weeps, amongst others. Apparently, much of All Things Must Pass, was intended for the Beatles overall, but because of the split, went onto his solo work instead.

Sorry for all the questions but I promise that this is the last one, - do you listen to Late Junction on Radio 3 by any chance.
McCartney. It helps that he's so prolific and had a big influence on later Beatles albums. I do like a classic ballad and a tune. Of course if I put my favourite McCartney songs v my favourite Lennon or Harrison it wouldn't be very easy to pick. And The Beatles albums can work well with their mix.

I think if you have a preference for something you're just likely to like more of it, and are more indulgent to pretty good but not necessarily amazing songs. Maybe that's the main difference. As well as it being the kind of go-to music when you want some immediate gratification.

But sticking to one or a very few things can get less interesting eventually and some I think need more variety to make things fresh again. Over time some people's musical palates can become more diverse. But most will start off with whatever pop was around when they were young as that's what gets the promotion.

Radio now I don't bother with and haven't for years. There's plenty of resources to explore independently now, and you mentioned two (youtube and spotify). Never was it better for anyone to explore and expand their taste in music.
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Old 29-11-2016, 04:42
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Over time some people's musical palates can become more diverse. But most will start off with whatever pop was around when they were young as that's what gets the promotion.

Radio now I don't bother with and haven't for years. There's plenty of resources to explore independently now, and you mentioned two (youtube and spotify). Never was it better for anyone to explore and expand their taste in music.
I still think you should tune in to radio Starry. Not to some of the Commercial day time stations, but to some radio shows that still play a lot of new or alternative songs that you wouldn't necessarily hear.
I must admit, apart from listening to my older brother & sister's records whilst growing up, radio played an important part of learning about & exploring music for me. I would say about 70% of my musical knowledge came from the radio. Unfortunately we don't have the great music shows to go with it, that we did back in the 70s & 80s such as TOTP (obviously), The Tube, Whistle Test etc, which were also really informative.
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Old 29-11-2016, 05:12
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I forgot to ask the other night, after seeing Frida being interviewed by Simes; but was it around this time in 1982 that ABBA appeared on the 'Late Late Breakfast Show' saying the famous words they weren't going to split!!? - I think that may well have been their very last interview in the UK!!
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:06
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I forgot to ask the other night, after seeing Frida being interviewed by Simes; but was it around this time in 1982 that ABBA appeared on the 'Late Late Breakfast Show' saying the famous words they weren't going to split!!? - I think that may well have been their very last interview in the UK!!
I think so, too - and I was struck also by Frida still insisting here the group hadn't split, when that's exactly what they had done … was this a public statement designed to prevent any 'ABBA SPLIT' headlines, or was it the group (or certain members) keeping their options open?

As for Frida not appearing on TOTP - CBS should have done their job properly and got her over to the UK sooner, when her single was eligible to be featured … clearly promoting her was not a priority for them in 1982.
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:08
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Of course she went off with another man. Have you seen his jumper?
And then Martin Fry stole his trench coat!
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:20
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I think so, too - and I was struck also by Frida insisting the group hadn't split, when that's exactly what they had done … was this a public statement designed to prevent any 'ABBA SPLIT' headlines, or was it the group (or certain members) keeping their options open?
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I think ABBA always tried to keep their personal business & private lives private. They certainly didn't milk the attention like celebrities of today do.
I remember Agnetha or possibly Bjorn saying years later in an interview, that when they split, the public didn't really know anything about it until after the divorces, so even when they were all having difficulties privately, they still kept up the glossy 'two happy couples' Abba image for the public.
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Old 29-11-2016, 08:44
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I think if you have a preference for something you're just likely to like more of it, and are more indulgent to pretty good but not necessarily amazing songs. Maybe that's the main difference. As well as it being the kind of go-to music when you want some immediate gratification.

But sticking to one or a very few things can get less interesting eventually and some I think need more variety to make things fresh again. Over time some people's musical palates can become more diverse. But most will start off with whatever pop was around when they were young as that's what gets the promotion.

Radio now I don't bother with and haven't for years. There's plenty of resources to explore independently now, and you mentioned two (youtube and spotify). Never was it better for anyone to explore and expand their taste in music.
Starry, one of the great things about watching these Top Of The Pops repeats, is the breadth and variety, that existed in the charts during the late seventies/early eighties period, and although i believe many of us have particular sounds we are especially partial towards, on this thread many of us remain very open minded to much of what crops up from week to week. I don't feel such a strong animosity to the music critics and media that you seem to, and although i don't always like the things they do - they are only doing their jobs, and yes i agree there is a lot of hype surrounding certain acts/songs etc. but i think everyone here is intelligent enough to use their own discretion with what is worthy etc. which i think comes across time and time again. I don't think many forms of pop, and especially those songs in the singles charts are really that hard to decipher, and if an individual decides they don't like something, it is certainly their right. Sometimes it comes across a little that you have a perversity, of going against the grain of critical/popular opinion, as to appear not to be contaminated by the environment, so to speak. However, we are all very much acting as amateur journalists on this thread, with our points of view and episode reviews etc. so this isn't perhaps a good form of escape, except if you always want to make a contrary argument. Not that you do, especially, starry.
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Old 29-11-2016, 10:27
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And then Martin Fry stole his trench coat!
I did notice both Paul Weller and Martin Fry had similar coats! It must have been a fashion item in 1982 for gents who were unlucky in love.

The discussion around people's preferred Beatle has reminded me of Alan Partridge's opinion:

"Wings. The band the Beatles could have been".
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Old 29-11-2016, 10:37
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I did notice both Paul Weller and Martin Fry had similar coats! It must have been a fashion item in 1982 for gents who were unlucky in love.
As a fashion item, it sure as hell beats the string vest or the head band (or varying widths) that are everywhere on TOTP 1982 at the moment …
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Old 29-11-2016, 10:40
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I did notice both Paul Weller and Martin Fry had similar coats! It must have been a fashion item in 1982 for gents who were unlucky in love.

The discussion around people's preferred Beatle has reminded me of Alan Partridge's opinion:

"Wings. The band the Beatles could have been".
"What's your favourite Beatles album?" "Tough one. I think I'd have to say The Best of The Beatles"
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Old 29-11-2016, 11:03
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Add his duet with Charlene (of I've Never Been to Me fame) called "Used to Be" to that list....
At this rate, I am going to have to do some overtime
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Old 29-11-2016, 18:41
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We've had a Lion and a Tiger at No1 during 1982.
http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads...-lionann82.jpg

http://static2.comicvine.com/uploads...tigerann82.jpg

Along with pop music and football, I was a comic-nerd in '82!
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Old 29-11-2016, 18:55
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The reason for little of Harrison's output being used was John's antipathy towards him in the later years. He would not turn up for recordings of Harrison songs from about '67 onwards. There are several hypotheses for this, but it is generally thought that John felt outflanked on all sides at the time - Paul was a better and more prolific writer and singer and the new burgeoning talent of George made him feel like a stranger in 'his band.'

If you want two instances of Ringo's absolute mastery of drumming listen to 'Rain' and 'She Said She Said'
There are quite a few "observers" (is that the right word) from that period who say that for all of Lennons pronouncements about peace and sharing stuff, he was not the best at acting out what he preached. Last year I listened to an Archive Hour programme about the last few days of Lennons life, where he was still preaching peace, but was surrounded by a cupla bodyguards sporting heavy artillery type firearms to keep him safe. It is sad that even though he had this type of protection, he was still shot dead, in the end.

I also saw a documentary about Harry Nilson, which kind of said that he was very friendly with Lennon about 1972, but that both of them were off their tits on the hardest drugs imaginable (sorry again ) , which created some paranoia in Lennons mind about this and that.

When I was a teenager, I went with Lennons Peace and love mantra, but when I hit my twenties, I did get a little bored with it, and started to question the hate stories that were being put out about Paul McCartney. McCartney is no saint, but I do not think that he deserves the hatred that some Lennon Beatle fans throw at him - these people do not reflect the peace and love that John preached to all.

It is nice nowadays to meet a Beatles fan, who craps on about John was great this and that and how he was set up in the last few years. When you say that you do not really give a toss about JL and actually think that GH was the greatest Beatle, their eyes mist over a little and they become a little confused. Guerilla warfare on my part, may be one description for it.

And yes, Ringo was not a bad drummer at all. Not brilliant, to be fair, bur certainly held his own within the Beatles, which is something I would certainly put on my own CV.
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Old 29-11-2016, 19:19
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There are quite a few "observers" (is that the right word) from that period who say that for all of Lennons pronouncements about peace and sharing stuff, he was not the best at acting out what he preached. Last year I listened to an Archive Hour programme about the last few days of Lennons life, where he was still preaching peace, but was surrounded by a cupla bodyguards sporting heavy artillery type firearms to keep him safe. It is sad that even though he had this type of protection, he was still shot dead, in the end.

I also saw a documentary about Harry Nilson, which kind of said that he was very friendly with Lennon about 1972, but that both of them were off their tits on the hardest drugs imaginable (sorry again ) , which created some paranoia in Lennons mind about this and that.

When I was a teenager, I went with Lennons Peace and love mantra, but when I hit my twenties, I did get a little bored with it, and started to question the hate stories that were being put out about Paul McCartney. McCartney is no saint, but I do not think that he deserves the hatred that some Lennon Beatle fans throw at him - these people do not reflect the peace and love that John preached to all.

It is nice nowadays to meet a Beatles fan, who craps on about John was great this and that and how he was set up in the last few years. When you say that you do not really give a toss about JL and actually think that GH was the greatest Beatle, their eyes mist over a little and they become a little confused. Guerilla warfare on my part, may be one description for it.

And yes, Ringo was not a bad drummer at all. Not brilliant, to be fair, bur certainly held his own within the Beatles, which is something I would certainly put on my own CV.
i love the quote attributed to John Lennon "Is Ringo the best drummer in the world" "Ringo isn't even the best drummer in The Beatles" . It might be apocryphal but it always make me giggle.

Thank you for standing up to the racist nonsense on here. Lately it's turned into a cliquish, back slapping Rotary Club where any diversity is looked upon with great suspicion and scorn and derision are poured on anyone with a differing view.
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Old 29-11-2016, 19:19
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Who is your favourite Beatle?

After years and years of veering towards Paul McCartney (but still being extremely fond of Lennon) my simple answer is George Harrison.
I've followed a similar path to you! McCartney was my favourite from '80 to '84, after I first heard 'Coming Up'. I bought that single, and also 'Waterfalls', 'Ebony and Ivory' and 'Take It Away'.
From '84-ish till when I saw the 'Living In The Material World' film, I was firmly in the Lennon-camp, but since then George has been my favourite. As I've got older, I've found his more spiritual take on the world more appealing.
George would've been my age in 1990, so I should be going through a Travelling Willburys phase!
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