Originally Posted by Andy_JS:
“You didn't like any of the songs?”
“You didn't like any of the songs?”
It would have been higher but I took points off for Bates.
Top Of The Pops 1982 - BBC4
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Another poor episode - too much bland soul & dancey pop tonight! 
Did someone say 1982 was meant to be a good year?!! 
The Beatles were probably the best & that was from 1962!!
Looks like I have to record the later show in order to see Blue Zoo!!
4/10 from me (& those marks go to TFF, Culture Club & The Beatles)!
Did someone say 1982 was meant to be a good year?!! The Beatles were probably the best & that was from 1962!! Looks like I have to record the later show in order to see Blue Zoo!!
4/10 from me (& those marks go to TFF, Culture Club & The Beatles)!
they were releasing every beatles single as the 20th anniversary of every single came up. gladly the public werent so stupid as to buy them all.
Originally Posted by SgtRock:
“So what exactly was different about this Eddy Grant track compared to his previous ones which caused this one to get to no 1 instead of no 14?”
“So what exactly was different about this Eddy Grant track compared to his previous ones which caused this one to get to no 1 instead of no 14?”
Possibly because the competition isn't so strong in 82.
Originally Posted by Andy_JS:
“Not sure but I think most of the TOTP presenters pronounced it the correct way.”
“Not sure but I think most of the TOTP presenters pronounced it the correct way.”
There was a thing on the radio a few years ago now where Dionne had said people had pronounced her name wrong for years. They would say Wa-Rick when really it was Wa-Wick. She just kind of didn't bother to correct people at the time.
Though it seems Simon was one of the few who got it right.
Originally Posted by ClareB:
“Well it looks like I'm in the minority in enjoying last night's edition. Not the best I've seen but certainly not the worst. I'm scoring it a seven and three quarters out of ten.
I'm so upset that there's no love at all for Zambesi. Okay, it's definitely in the novelty category but its such an earworm. I do prefer the performance from the "Smithed" show though but this is still fun. Great to see the Fabulous Wealthy Tarts and can't wait 'til Paul Young turns up with them next year.
I make no apologies for loving Starmaker, although I can see why the video seems quite strange if you don't know the story behind it - although now when I watch it I'll not be able to stop focusing on Debbie Allen's mouth! Can't wait for Christmas 1982 when I get the Fame annual.
If I hadn't known I was watching a TOTP from 1982 and saw the video for Kool And The Gang's Oh La La La (Let's Go Dancing) with the sound down I would've sworn it was from the 70s. It still a damn good tune, though.
Annie I'm Not Your Daddy is a top tune to play out with although the lyrics are really cruel. Kid Creole claims he's telling Annie he's not her Daddy to save her hearing it another place, as if he's bothered about her feelings, then he goes and calls her ugly. I saw Kid Creole's real daughter. Savannah, in a production of Thriller Live earlier this year and couldn't help but think that she must hate this song. She must get people all the time calling her Annie and asking if he really his her Dad.”
“Well it looks like I'm in the minority in enjoying last night's edition. Not the best I've seen but certainly not the worst. I'm scoring it a seven and three quarters out of ten.
I'm so upset that there's no love at all for Zambesi. Okay, it's definitely in the novelty category but its such an earworm. I do prefer the performance from the "Smithed" show though but this is still fun. Great to see the Fabulous Wealthy Tarts and can't wait 'til Paul Young turns up with them next year.
I make no apologies for loving Starmaker, although I can see why the video seems quite strange if you don't know the story behind it - although now when I watch it I'll not be able to stop focusing on Debbie Allen's mouth! Can't wait for Christmas 1982 when I get the Fame annual.
If I hadn't known I was watching a TOTP from 1982 and saw the video for Kool And The Gang's Oh La La La (Let's Go Dancing) with the sound down I would've sworn it was from the 70s. It still a damn good tune, though.
Annie I'm Not Your Daddy is a top tune to play out with although the lyrics are really cruel. Kid Creole claims he's telling Annie he's not her Daddy to save her hearing it another place, as if he's bothered about her feelings, then he goes and calls her ugly. I saw Kid Creole's real daughter. Savannah, in a production of Thriller Live earlier this year and couldn't help but think that she must hate this song. She must get people all the time calling her Annie and asking if he really his her Dad.”
No Clare, you're not alone I quite liked Zambesi and I loved Starmaker back in the day and still like it now. Very nostalgic. Agree also about the Kool and the Gang and Kid Creole songs- great tunes with great nostalgia value for transporting you back to 1982.
Originally Posted by mal2pool:
“boy george was going out with the drummer at this stage i believe”
“boy george was going out with the drummer at this stage i believe”
Ooh! If only that was more widely known!
I remember how much that TFF song spoke to me at the time , as did the whole The Hurting album, played it endlessly, still frequently give it a spin. And the video worked very well with the track, nice cross-imaging of the freaky Roland dance and sad Kurt. One of the defining tracks of 1982.
Great songs from Eddy Grant, Dionne Warwick and Tears for Fears.
Mad World has so much going on in terms of the varied instrumentation. It's good to hear this one again. It makes a dramatic contrast to the very slow pace and stripped back production of the version from the early 2000s. Mad World has grown on me over the years as I found it an average track back in 82.
Mad World has so much going on in terms of the varied instrumentation. It's good to hear this one again. It makes a dramatic contrast to the very slow pace and stripped back production of the version from the early 2000s. Mad World has grown on me over the years as I found it an average track back in 82.
Originally Posted by Avid Eighties:
“I remember how much that TFF song spoke to me at the time , as did the whole The Hurting album, played it endlessly, still frequently give it a spin. And the video worked very well with the track, nice cross-imaging of the freaky Roland dance and sad Kurt. One of the defining tracks of 1982.”
“I remember how much that TFF song spoke to me at the time , as did the whole The Hurting album, played it endlessly, still frequently give it a spin. And the video worked very well with the track, nice cross-imaging of the freaky Roland dance and sad Kurt. One of the defining tracks of 1982.”
It did nothing for me. What would you say TFF's best single was?
Originally Posted by UrsulaU:
“Another poor episode - too much bland soul & dancey pop tonight! Did someone say 1982 was meant to be a good year?!! The Beatles were probably the best & that was from 1962!!
Looks like I have to record the later show in order to see Blue Zoo!!
4/10 from me (& those marks go to TFF, Culture Club & The Beatles)!”
“Another poor episode - too much bland soul & dancey pop tonight!
Did someone say 1982 was meant to be a good year?!! The Beatles were probably the best & that was from 1962!! Looks like I have to record the later show in order to see Blue Zoo!!
4/10 from me (& those marks go to TFF, Culture Club & The Beatles)!”
It certainly wasn't me. I have always felt the decline started in 81.
Rich Tea may have tried to convince us that 82 was a good year, and he appears to have disappeared!
Originally Posted by Avid Eighties:
“I remember how much that TFF song spoke to me at the time , as did the whole The Hurting album, played it endlessly, still frequently give it a spin. And the video worked very well with the track, nice cross-imaging of the freaky Roland dance and sad Kurt. One of the defining tracks of 1982.”
“I remember how much that TFF song spoke to me at the time , as did the whole The Hurting album, played it endlessly, still frequently give it a spin. And the video worked very well with the track, nice cross-imaging of the freaky Roland dance and sad Kurt. One of the defining tracks of 1982.”
Yes! I got The Hurting for my birthday the following year - great album!
Originally Posted by Kid B:
“It did nothing for me. What would you say TFF's best single was?”
“It did nothing for me. What would you say TFF's best single was?”
I have a lot of TFF favourites but I can give a definitive answer as I was bored one weekend or longer last year and I did my top 500 songs ever, so based on that Pale Shelter is my clear favourite (#72).
How about you?
Originally Posted by UrsulaU:
“Yes! I got The Hurting for my birthday the following year - great album!”
“Yes! I got The Hurting for my birthday the following year - great album!
”
So good Ursula, I even like the weird songs on there like Ideas as Opiates , because it was all so original!
Originally Posted by Gary Baldi:
“It might have seemed politely worded, but when you analyse the content, it was anything but. Plainly completely insensitive, it might just as well have been phrased 'Let's cut to the chase. Don't care your husband is dead, love. Doesn't concern me.How dare he try and deprive me of my entitled right to watch TOTP episodes as a licence fee payer. (because I deserve it, because I am so important- and you should recognise my importance). Please try and satisfy my demands by overturning your husbands express wishes, as you should know that I am a viewer with rights. And my rights take precedence over any old dead TOPT presenter.'”
“It might have seemed politely worded, but when you analyse the content, it was anything but. Plainly completely insensitive, it might just as well have been phrased 'Let's cut to the chase. Don't care your husband is dead, love. Doesn't concern me.How dare he try and deprive me of my entitled right to watch TOTP episodes as a licence fee payer. (because I deserve it, because I am so important- and you should recognise my importance). Please try and satisfy my demands by overturning your husbands express wishes, as you should know that I am a viewer with rights. And my rights take precedence over any old dead TOPT presenter.'”
Thanks for explaining the real intention behind my post Mr. Baldi.
I wasn't even aware of this myself before you kindly clarified it for me.
*I might copy and paste your comments (correcting the typo) and tweet them to Sarah Greene, just in case she also needed this clarification. I'd make sure I gave you full credit for it though.
Thanks also for your "disgusting individual" comment in a previous post. Really made my day.
*Not actually going to do this.
Originally Posted by Gary Baldi:
“It might have seemed politely worded, but when you analyse the content, it was anything but. Plainly completely insensitive, it might just as well have been phrased 'Let's cut to the chase. Don't care your husband is dead, love. Doesn't concern me.How dare he try and deprive me of my entitled right to watch TOTP episodes as a licence fee payer. (because I deserve it, because I am so important- and you should recognise my importance). Please try and satisfy my demands by overturning your husbands express wishes, as you should know that I am a viewer with rights. And my rights take precedence over any old dead TOPT presenter.'”
“It might have seemed politely worded, but when you analyse the content, it was anything but. Plainly completely insensitive, it might just as well have been phrased 'Let's cut to the chase. Don't care your husband is dead, love. Doesn't concern me.How dare he try and deprive me of my entitled right to watch TOTP episodes as a licence fee payer. (because I deserve it, because I am so important- and you should recognise my importance). Please try and satisfy my demands by overturning your husbands express wishes, as you should know that I am a viewer with rights. And my rights take precedence over any old dead TOPT presenter.'”
You do realise this is a Top of the pops 1982 thread,and not the Mike Smith/Sarah Greene appreciation society,right?
I know that social media has made a lot of people part of the Celebrity mourning circus but.we don't have to pretend that our respect for Sarah Greene is more important to us than being able to watch 1982 episodes of TOTP.
Originally Posted by Avid Eighties:
“I have a lot of TFF favourites but I can give a definitive answer as I was bored one weekend or longer last year and I did my top 500 songs ever, so based on that Pale Shelter is my clear favourite (#72).
How about you?”
“I have a lot of TFF favourites but I can give a definitive answer as I was bored one weekend or longer last year and I did my top 500 songs ever, so based on that Pale Shelter is my clear favourite (#72).
How about you?”
Woman In Chains.
A much later single and perhaps lesser-known but for me it's just got everything. The production, arrangement, I think the female singer on this is Oleta Adams, also the way it builds throughout and crescendoes with that sentiment "So free her" - I think this is a really polished pop song, a gem in fact.
Oh and congrats on completing your 500! I recently did a 100 and found that really tough.
If there was a 100000 word book on history of British TV and radio Mike Smith may possibly get a one line mention for the fact he was a radio one breakfast DJ and another line if there were a chapter on television disasters....
so in the scheme of things he was hardly a BIG PLAYER
any chance we can move on please.. His episodes of TOTP will not be shown. I can live with that....
so in the scheme of things he was hardly a BIG PLAYER
any chance we can move on please.. His episodes of TOTP will not be shown. I can live with that....
Originally Posted by mickmars:
“You do realise this is a Top of the pops 1982 thread,and not the Mike Smith/Sarah Greene appreciation society,right?
I know that social media has made a lot of people part of the Celebrity mourning circus but.we don't have to pretend that our respect for Sarah Greene is more important to us than being able to watch 1982 episodes of TOTP.”
“You do realise this is a Top of the pops 1982 thread,and not the Mike Smith/Sarah Greene appreciation society,right?
I know that social media has made a lot of people part of the Celebrity mourning circus but.we don't have to pretend that our respect for Sarah Greene is more important to us than being able to watch 1982 episodes of TOTP.”
excellent post
Originally Posted by andyd1302:
“From your link on 70's music, I'm guessing you're specifically interested in that decade, or have you only recently discovered the music through the Pops repeats?”
“From your link on 70's music, I'm guessing you're specifically interested in that decade, or have you only recently discovered the music through the Pops repeats?”
If that was the case he would probably have referenced The Chi-Lites - not Amazulu.
Originally Posted by Kid B:
“Have no fear, Andy - as Amazulu said, you're Too Good To Be Forgotten.”
“Have no fear, Andy - as Amazulu said, you're Too Good To Be Forgotten.”
Originally Posted by Shady_Pines1:
“Someone upthread made quite a nasty post about Smith being pals with Savile and DLT and his decision to block the episodes might somehow linked to his friendship with them.
Despite not liking Smith much, I think that's unlikely and could just as easily be because he was horrified at the revelations and he doesn't want to be associated with the taint the old episodes now have.”
“Someone upthread made quite a nasty post about Smith being pals with Savile and DLT and his decision to block the episodes might somehow linked to his friendship with them.
Despite not liking Smith much, I think that's unlikely and could just as easily be because he was horrified at the revelations and he doesn't want to be associated with the taint the old episodes now have.”
Only two of the sixteen DJ hosts seen on TOTP thus far who signed the licence extension (seventeen if you include Kenny Everett who hosted a 1973 repeat on BBC Four four years ago) have had their reputation called into question since the repeats started so I think there is probably more safety in numbers.
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“This is what I strongly suspect is at the heart of this whole business. Did Smith and Greene feel slighted that they suddenly weren't flavour of the month any more (and, let's face it, television is always looking for the latest person/thing to latch onto) and were aggrieved they'd been left behind? And the BBC didn't realise that there were hurt feelings and managed this in an inept way that they had no idea how hacked off Smith and Greene were? And refusing to sign the necessary paperwork was Smith's revenge?”
“This is what I strongly suspect is at the heart of this whole business. Did Smith and Greene feel slighted that they suddenly weren't flavour of the month any more (and, let's face it, television is always looking for the latest person/thing to latch onto) and were aggrieved they'd been left behind? And the BBC didn't realise that there were hurt feelings and managed this in an inept way that they had no idea how hacked off Smith and Greene were? And refusing to sign the necessary paperwork was Smith's revenge?”
If Mike Smith wanted revenge on the BBC he should have been more honourable and targeted them directly rather than punishing blameless viewers (I'm afraid I don't know the viewing figures for TOTP on BBC Four but I'm guessing they run to a few hundred thousand?) not to mention all the various acts he introduced, the live studio audiences and the dual presenters he worked with on the show.
If (and I say if) his death effectively released the BBC from the shackles he had placed on them leaving the corporation free to broadcast his shows with no legal ramifications they should have recognised their primary duty is to licence fee payers, not embittered ex-employees with an axe to grind and cheerfully driven a coach and horses through Smith's ban - I hope they didn't contact Sarah Greene (or vice-versa) and give her carte blanche to continue her husband's skewed vendetta beyond the grave.
Originally Posted by Elvisfan4eva:
“She seems to be saying that it's not her decision though but it's what Mike wanted.”
“She seems to be saying that it's not her decision though but it's what Mike wanted.”
... which begs the question does she have the power to reverse it ?
Originally Posted by Servalan:
“There's a difference between speculating on what might have been behind Smith's decision, and trashing/hounding someone. The former is perfectly legitimate, the latter not. But even the Tweet sent to SG was v politely worded, so I'm not sure what the problem is here …
”
“There's a difference between speculating on what might have been behind Smith's decision, and trashing/hounding someone. The former is perfectly legitimate, the latter not. But even the Tweet sent to SG was v politely worded, so I'm not sure what the problem is here …
”
I see the Twitter page on which Michael_Thomas1 posed his polite question to Sarah Greene no longer exists.
https://twitter.com/MTJ2016
Originally Posted by andyd1302:
“Remember MS didn't sign the Licence to show the progs when he was alive, so whether the Licence expires following his passing I'm unsure.
Unless there's a copy for inspection we don't know the terms.
We can only speculate.
If Glorious is following the thread at the moment, perhaps he might pass comment?”
“Remember MS didn't sign the Licence to show the progs when he was alive, so whether the Licence expires following his passing I'm unsure.
Unless there's a copy for inspection we don't know the terms.
We can only speculate.
If Glorious is following the thread at the moment, perhaps he might pass comment?”
Judging from today's news reports I suspect Glorious may have grown weary of sparring with LittleGirlOf7 and has taken a sabbatical from the thread to resume his spat with Philip Schofield on Twitter.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...w-Morning.html
My favourite Blue Zoo song is '(I Just Can't) Forgive And Forget' from a year later, which did much worse by sales than the hit they had around now. The charts never gave the full picture then, just like they don't now.
And the point about less variety never convinces me that much either, over time there's bound to be more variety in general as more styles get build up and there's more combinations that can be tried as well. I think some just like to concentrate purely on the charts as it's a much easier way of saying you know something, even though it's skimming the surface.
Also those who say they like a diverse amount of music often don't back that up as much as they think, and in the same breathe might show that they are actually very predisposed to particular styles anyway.
And the point about less variety never convinces me that much either, over time there's bound to be more variety in general as more styles get build up and there's more combinations that can be tried as well. I think some just like to concentrate purely on the charts as it's a much easier way of saying you know something, even though it's skimming the surface.
Also those who say they like a diverse amount of music often don't back that up as much as they think, and in the same breathe might show that they are actually very predisposed to particular styles anyway.
Originally Posted by faversham saint:
“
If Mike Smith wanted revenge on the BBC he should have been more honourable and targeted them directly rather than punishing blameless viewers (I'm afraid I don't know the viewing figures for TOTP on BBC Four but I'm guessing they run to a few hundred thousand?) not to mention all the various acts he introduced, the live studio audiences and the dual presenters he worked with on the show.
If (and I say if) his death effectively released the BBC from the shackles he had placed on them leaving the corporation free to broadcast his shows with no legal ramifications they should have recognised their primary duty is to licence fee payers, not embittered ex-employees with an axe to grind and cheerfully driven a coach and horses through Smith's ban - I hope they didn't contact Sarah Greene (or vice-versa) and give her carte blanche to continue her husband's skewed vendetta beyond the grave.
... which begs the question does she have the power to reverse it ?
”
“
If Mike Smith wanted revenge on the BBC he should have been more honourable and targeted them directly rather than punishing blameless viewers (I'm afraid I don't know the viewing figures for TOTP on BBC Four but I'm guessing they run to a few hundred thousand?) not to mention all the various acts he introduced, the live studio audiences and the dual presenters he worked with on the show.
If (and I say if) his death effectively released the BBC from the shackles he had placed on them leaving the corporation free to broadcast his shows with no legal ramifications they should have recognised their primary duty is to licence fee payers, not embittered ex-employees with an axe to grind and cheerfully driven a coach and horses through Smith's ban - I hope they didn't contact Sarah Greene (or vice-versa) and give her carte blanche to continue her husband's skewed vendetta beyond the grave.
... which begs the question does she have the power to reverse it ?
”
I wonder if BBC employees (current and previous) ever realise that they are extremely well paid temporary workers and that the BBC has no obligation to them after their contracts expire.
Smith and Greene were of their time,and when their BBC time came to an end they were just temporary workers that did rather well for themselves.
It's ancient union/equity rules from a different and bygone era of broadcasting that allow an individual to stop repeats.
Originally Posted by LittleGirlOf7:
“Karma Chameleon is about their relationship.”
“Karma Chameleon is about their relationship.”
I'm sure I recall reading that 'Do You Really Want To Hurt Me' is about George's relationship with Kirk Brandon (Theatre Of Hate/Spear Of Destiny) …
Originally Posted by mickmars:
“I wonder if BBC employees (current and previous) ever realise that they are extremely well paid temporary workers and that the BBC has no obligation to them after their contracts expire.
Smith and Greene were of their time,and when their BBC time came to an end they were just temporary workers that did rather well for themselves.
It's ancient union/equity rules from a different and bygone era of broadcasting that allow an individual to stop repeats.”
“I wonder if BBC employees (current and previous) ever realise that they are extremely well paid temporary workers and that the BBC has no obligation to them after their contracts expire.
Smith and Greene were of their time,and when their BBC time came to an end they were just temporary workers that did rather well for themselves.
It's ancient union/equity rules from a different and bygone era of broadcasting that allow an individual to stop repeats.”
Not quite.
It's about nobody, back in the day, ever foreseeing that there would be a secondary market for old TV shows. That's why so many were junked. Yes, the agreements with the talent unions were part of that, but way back when those agreements were originally drafted, nobody envisaged home video sales, let alone the world we live in now.
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