Top Of The Pops 1982 - BBC4

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sheff71

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yes I agree, there has been quite a few songs I haven't remembered.

Compilation shows and albums tend to feature the same songs or style of songs.”

What i'm tending to find from the 1981-82 repeats is that while i'm still remembering those 'classics' that we've all heard thousand of times, it's those lesser known follow-up singles or acts that just passed you by, that you notice this time around... for example, I didn't realise just how many run of the mill Ultravox singles i'd missed or ignored over the years...

aiwacat

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by koantemplation:
“Yes I agree, there has been quite a few songs I haven't remembered.”

The level of success of some songs surprises me. For example, I remembered Eddy Grant's 'I Don't Wanna Dance', but I didn't realise it was a number one single, much less one of the best sellers of the year.

UrsulaU

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Jedikiah:
“Abba's ''Under Attack'' may not be one of their most effective tracks, but i still believe it was one of the better songs from the 23/12 episode. Abba's late career output certainly lacked the instant pop appeal of their earlier material, but at the same time i think they embraced new technology, and the more contemporary sounds of the day, pretty well. By the period of 'The Visitors' album their personal relationships had deteriorated sufficiently, that their musical style had begun to lose its joyous quality. However, outside the context of their previous more accessible musical sounds, 'The Visitors' from late 1981, actually works very well on its own terms. It is a memorable album.”

I think musically - ABBA's output was still quite strong - although not quite in the same league as their late 70s hits. However, what became noticeable is their 'middle aged' image on stage from the early 80s. Frida with her now greyish hair & Agnetha in her jumper & rara skirt (which only teenage girls can pull off well)!

- I know image & looks shouldn't come first in pop music - but in the early 80s it was a very important factor. With Abba - I think not only did they lose some of their younger fans, but they also lost a lot of young people (into the early 80s music scene) in general.

Jason C

31-12-2016

Here's the 1982 Christmas Day edition:

https://we.tl/9pOOCOryeE

LittleGirlOf7

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Jedikiah:
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Madness ''Our House'' may not be such a bad single release, but the visual presentation really didn't endear me to the song especially. I don't think that the studio reconstruction of a typical room had me appreciating the song any more, and i get a sense with the group, that they were most definitely embracing the more glossy aspects of pop marketing most cooperatively. On one level, perhaps, that helps to sell the song, of course, but by late 1982, there was little hint with many of the acts of danger, or appearing rebellious, or edgy. Madness visual accompaniment represented pop appearing a little too neutred for my liking, in its sophistication. Sometimes i just find myself looking for a fly in the ointment, so to speak, which i feel is especially true for this episode, as to make it exciting and give it some spark.”

Well how about this version...

https://youtu.be/kW1Gmect3Bo

About 8 people in a converted church singing along to an old piano that had just been retuned half an hour earlier. Our voices were gradually layered to sound like a growing crowd. Unsohisticated and raw enough for you?

highlander1969

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by ramraider1:
“Catching Cacharpaya right now.
Sounds like a re-recording from the 45 version.

Nonetheless it still sounds good to my ears. Loved it in fact.

At least Robbie almost gave it the thumbs up. ”

Ahem Mr ramraider, I was positive about 'Cacharpaya'.

Played it loads at the time as it was on a compilation album I had.
A shame that Japan's 'Night Porter' never featured on TOTP's.

Originally Posted by highlander1969:
“I'll just get me pan pipes out! Great wee track. ”

Straker

31-12-2016

In case you were of a mind to watch the New Year's Eve Pops, don't bother - It's dreadful.

Purves Grundy

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Straker:
“In case you were of a mind to watch the New Year's Eve Pops, don't bother - It's dreadful.”

True.

It doesn't just make me hate music. It makes me hate humanity itself.

Straker

31-12-2016

Maybe I spoke too soon - Blossoms with Charlemagne!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBtVjjLtEY8

Purves Grundy

31-12-2016

Ferne Cotton is very "Smashie" from "Smashie and Nicey" isn't she?

Purves Grundy

31-12-2016

Anthony Kiedis of RHCP fame now looks like a Mexican nonce.

SgtRock

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Straker:
“In case you were of a mind to watch the New Year's Eve Pops, don't bother - It's dreadful.”

I tried, but eventually plinky plonky generic EDM fronted by anonymous Scandinavian vocalist singing in fake London accent got the better of me.

harriet33

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Straker:
“In case you were of a mind to watch the New Year's Eve Pops, don't bother - It's dreadful.”

Wish I'd seen this earlier. Have just watched it for the last half hour or so and am muttering to myself 'who are these people?'

mickmars

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Straker:
“In case you were of a mind to watch the New Year's Eve Pops, don't bother - It's dreadful.”

Shocking that they show this,and yet we cannot see the 1982 New Years Edition

Jenny_Sawyer

31-12-2016

The last two shown were rubbish, I wonder what the censored one inbetween was like.

faversham saint

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by mushymanrob:
“the maisonettes - heartache avanue - more 60's then anything from the 60's! great track”

I presume the band is named after lead singer Lol Mason in the same way that 60s girl group The Ronettes was named after the stage name of their lead singer Ronnie Spector.

Originally Posted by Straker:
“More flags than a Labour party conference.”

The flags - plus balloons make the studio look more like a U.S. Presidential convention.

I haven't seen flags as big as that on TOTP since Pan's People's routine to Elton John's 'Philadelphia Freedom' in March 1975.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERrn7KfAnNM

Originally Posted by Purves Grundy:
“Anthony Kiedis of RHCP fame now looks like a Mexican nonce.”

I think RHCP bass player Fly looks like a tattooed Sting (with matching hairline).

Fly: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/...6015030841.jpg

Sting: http://jessedittmar.com/wp-content/u...1/Sting_03.jpg

SgtRock

31-12-2016

Rewatched the 9th Dec show this morning, although had to fast forward through R&R and Lionel Richie - my patience with both of those has snapped. Culture Club easily the best song in this edition, although the audio on this performance is poor - way too much reverb on George's voice and in the final chorus the bells which made it sound so much like a Christmas song at the time seem to be missing.

"Where The Heart Is" is a strange one - it seems to be simultaneously trying and not trying to sound like "Say Hello Wave Goodbye". I think the verse is a bit laborious to go through three times, but the chorus saves it.

Also watched the 16th Dec Savile edition. Santa Claus & The Christmas Trees - what on earth was that about? Sounds like a mock Chas & Dave run through of various carols with no humour or point whatsoever.

Clearly Jonathan King didn't get the memo which said you can't say "Sexual" before "Healing". Interesting that the US charts are so far behind the UK charts in some respects, but good that we will soon see "Down Under" and "Stepping Out".

I enjoyed "A Winter's Tale" probably more here than I did at the time. Not a fan of "Buffalo Gals", nor Dionne Warwick's song, though good to see that her bass player is still standing behind her and still oblivious to the world around him. Probably hasn't even changed out of that suit since "Heartbreaker". Cliff's "Little Town" is tolerable as Christmas songs go.

Good to see Ultravox in the studio this time rather than the pompous video, although the keyboard player seems to have come more to do some jogging on the spot exercises than actually play. Then a quick fast forward to the end.

annielou

31-12-2016

Just caught up.

lots of fast forwarding from me for these two episodes.

Culture club probably the best track shown. It also benefits from not being overplayed over the years.

Bit sad at The Jams last performance

Just watched Pop Quiz the comeback as well, great show.

nic6

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by annielou:
“Just caught up.

lots of fast forwarding from me for these two episodes.

Culture club probably the best track shown. It also benefits from not being overplayed over the years.
.”

Quite right, great performance

http://my.jetscreenshot.com/11869/20...r3hm-306kb.jpg

mrbernay

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by Jenny_Sawyer:
“The last two shown were rubbish, I wonder what the censored one inbetween was like.”

Here's the line-up. It was a Jimmy Savile presentation:

16-12-82: Presenter: Jimmy Savile O.B.E.

(5) MADNESS Our House
(17) PHIL COLLINS You Can't Hurry Love (video)
(28) SANTA CLAUS & THE CHRISTMAS TREES Sing-A-Long-A-Santa
(US CHART) PAT BENATAR Shadows Of The Night (video)
(US CHART) MEN AT WORK Down Under (video)
(US CHART) JOE JACKSON Steppin' Out (video)
(US CHART) DARYL HALL & JOHN OATES Maneater (video)
(30) DAVID ESSEX A Winter's Tale
(19) MALCOLM McLAREN Buffalo Gals (video)
(27) DIONNE WARWICK All The Love In The World (video)
(21) CLIFF RICHARD Little Town
(20) BUCKS FIZZ If You Can't Stand The Heat
(13) ULTRAVOX Hymn
(1) RENEE & RENATO Save Your Love (video)
(22) DONNA SUMMER I Feel Love (crowd dancing) (and credits)

It's ridiculous that the BBC don't just edit out Savile and DLT (and KIng). It's not as if they occupy more than 4 mins total presence in the show. Everyone I've talked to finds it ridiculous that they can't show some classic shows because they won't edit out the presenter. They edit out decent songs for the early timeslot. I was fuming that they cut Culture Club (Time, clock of the heart, which I consider one of their best songs) from the early edition last night yet kept Shakey and Renee and Renato in both early shows....

We should only be missing 10 episodes in 1983 ....

SgtRock

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by mrbernay:
“Here's the line-up. It was a Jimmy Savile presentation:

It's ridiculous that the BBC don't just edit out Savile and DLT (and KIng). It's not as if they occupy more than 4 mins total presence in the show. Everyone I've talked to finds it ridiculous that they can't show some classic shows because they won't edit out the presenter. They edit out decent songs for the early timeslot. I was fuming that they cut Culture Club (Time, clock of the heart, which I consider one of their best songs) from the early edition last night yet kept Shakey and Renee and Renato in both early shows.... ”

What I've learned over the course of these reruns is that BBC Four is prepared to do a certain amount of editing. They'll edit out the Jonathan King US Chart segments. They edited out a Gary Glitter song from a 1981 edition even though it was in the awkward opening slot. They'll edit out mention of Savile or DLT as next week's presenters. And of course they edit out certain songs for the early showings (BTW, editing out Culture Club last night is probably the single worst editing decision in the history of the reruns).

However, it appears that the one thing they won't do is an edit which makes it obvious that a presenter link has been removed. I'm guessing that the reason for this is that the casual viewer will assume that it is Jimmy Savile that has been cut out, and the viewer is then reminded that the BBC employed Jimmy Savile, which they would rather you didn't remember.

Remember back at the end of 1979, there were some strike episodes which had voiceover links instead of in-vision links? Even when these episodes were shown, I remember seeing some tweets along the lines of "oh, this must have been a Jimmy Savile edition".

Thus we won't see any of the multi-DJ specials, even when as usual DLT is just in one link. Trouble is that Savile is always there as well at the big moments at the start or end, making it even more difficult to remove him seamlessly!

Originally Posted by mrbernay:
“We should only be missing 10 episodes in 1983 ....”

Who's going to tell him about Mike Smith...?

mrbernay

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by SgtRock:
“What I've learned over the course of these reruns is that BBC Four is prepared to do a certain amount of editing. They'll edit out the Jonathan King US Chart segments. They edited out a Gary Glitter song from a 1981 edition even though it was in the awkward opening slot. They'll edit out mention of Savile or DLT as next week's presenters. And of course they edit out certain songs for the early showings (BTW, editing out Culture Club last night is probably the single worst editing decision in the history of the reruns).

However, it appears that the one thing they won't do is an edit which makes it obvious that a presenter link has been removed. I'm guessing that the reason for this is that the casual viewer will assume that it is Jimmy Savile that has been cut out, and the viewer is then reminded that the BBC employed Jimmy Savile, which they would rather you didn't remember.

Remember back at the end of 1979, there were some strike episodes which had voiceover links instead of in-vision links? Even when these episodes were shown, I remember seeing some tweets along the lines of "oh, this must have been a Jimmy Savile edition".

Thus we won't see any of the multi-DJ specials, even when as usual DLT is just in one link. Trouble is that Savile is always there as well at the big moments at the start or end, making it even more difficult to remove him seamlessly!

Who's going to tell him about Mike Smith...? ”

Rock, the public are really stupid sometimes

Westy2

31-12-2016

So how do you explain why they won't show episodes TOTP2/At The BBC style, which would be better than nothing?

TUC

31-12-2016

Rene bears a resemblance to a certain French cafe owner of the same name.

Boulevarder

31-12-2016

Originally Posted by mrbernay:
“
It's ridiculous that the BBC don't just edit out Savile and DLT (and KIng). It's not as if they occupy more than 4 mins total presence in the show. Everyone I've talked to finds it ridiculous that they can't show some classic shows because they won't edit out the presenter.”

I assume it because there may have been incidents of abuse on BBC premises including around recordings of TOTP.

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