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Old 02-01-2017, 12:07
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Maybe there is software that can upgrade / enhance older grainier footage? I would like to know as there are a fair few bits and pieces I would appreciate seeing in finer detail.
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Below is the Culture Club performance which was omitted from the early episode last Friday evening, this has been put through a computer and has been overdubbed and tidied up, it's a direct link, the file size is 412 MB, note that this size is bigger than the whole TOTP episodes which are posted above, details are:

CULTURE CLUB - TIME
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BITRATE 15000
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Old 02-01-2017, 12:31
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BBC4 HD broadcasting quality cannot really be compared to UK Gold, the latter being shown in SD with a low bitrate, I binned my UK Gold recordings because they were grainy, although recorded at 720x576 they do look a lot better on BBC4 HD because of the much higher bitrate when broadcast, this is especially noticeable when importing the episodes into a computer for editing.
Surely though it also depends on the original quality/condition of the source, and how well the film has been looked after, or stored, etc. There have been plenty of examples of grainy recordings, even in HD, as well as parallel lines running across the screen, and that isn't just relating to the promo footage that is included in those episodes.
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:26
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Surely though it also depends on the original quality/condition of the source, and how well the film has been looked after, or stored, etc. There have been plenty of examples of grainy recordings, even in HD, as well as parallel lines running across the screen, and that isn't just relating to the promo footage that is included in those episodes.
True, the source footage is critical, those American promo's which are shown on TOTP are awful quality, nothing can save them, an example, George Benson-Never Give Up On A Good Thing 18-2-1982, looks like it been converted from NTSC 720x480 to PAL 720x576, it looks washed out and jerky.

Also age is no indication of quality, the film Lawrence of Arabia (1962) has a higher picture quality than anything shot these days because it's sourced from 70mm (65mm) film which is still regarded as the best format (but extremely expensive).
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Old 02-01-2017, 13:52
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BBC4 HD broadcasting quality cannot really be compared to UK Gold, the latter being shown in SD with a low bitrate, I binned my UK Gold recordings because they were grainy, although recorded at 720x576 they do look a lot better on BBC4 HD because of the much higher bitrate when broadcast, this is especially noticeable when importing the episodes into a computer for editing.
Considering:

a) UK Gold screened TOTP between 1994 and 1996 (20+ years ago)
b) They broadcast in SD analogue
c) Copies were recorded on VHS as DVD recordable was not around then.

Many clips include my own I have posted to Youtube are of quite good quality. OK not quite up to the standard of BBC Four HD but still pretty good considering the age and medium used to record at the time.

In addition these copies are the "best available" considering a number of editions won't be repeated. Where BBC Four has repeated a edition previously on UK Gold, a "like for like" swap out can be done.

Also from what I can recall Mike Smith editions weren't broadcast during UK Golds run, neither were Noel Edmonds. However one did slip through when Noel appeared briefly at the beginning of a Tony Blackburn edition from the late 70's.

One final point. It is a shame that the BBC don't make TOTP available on their Store, even at say £2.99 an edition they would good money and record companies would still get their share.
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Old 02-01-2017, 14:02
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Aye, that's Jermaine Stewart. Can't tell you how I came to find that out, mind.
The caption on the TOTP video on this Shalamar fan blog confirms it is him.
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Old 02-01-2017, 15:31
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One final point. It is a shame that the BBC don't make TOTP available on their Store, even at say £2.99 an edition they would good money and record companies would still get their share.
They probably haven't got clearance to do so, broadcasting is one thing, releasing to the general public is another.

The BBC showed a popular series called The Rock 'n Rolls Years in the '80s, they are not allowed to show those anymore because of clearance issues and Radio Bremen (Studio Hamburg) produced a box set of their pop programme 'Musikladen',1972-1984 it was released for a few weeks then the releases were blocked and the box sets had to be pulled from the shop shelves, again clearance problems.

The BBC could solve the problem of the blocked episodes very easy simply by making some more "Big Hits" compilations (of unseen performances), very cheap and easy to produce and it would stop people complaining about the missed episodes.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:11
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Sony Vegas 13 Pro is the best, but don't forget rubbish in rubbish out.
If you read this, could you explain that term 'rubbish in, rubbish out' please, thanks.
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Old 02-01-2017, 18:23
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It means if the source material is poor to start with, then you can expect the end result to be poor.

Put another way, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:01
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Just catching up on the four episodes I recorded, 23rd and 30th.

I don't think I need add anything more to the comments that have been posted. However just to add that seeing Wham and George Michael, making their TotP debut, brought back the shock of his death on Christmas day. To that, Bowie and Crosby appearing on one of the editions added a little poignant moment to the viewing.

Onto 1983 now.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:49
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It means if the source material is poor to start with, then you can expect the end result to be poor.

Put another way, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Hmm - doesn't seem any point then in making improvement software if it doesn't improve anything - I shan't bother but thanks anyway.
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Old 02-01-2017, 19:55
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It's not improvement software it is professional video editing software.
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Old 02-01-2017, 20:38
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It's not improvement software it is professional video editing software.
Ah - well that's what I need - enhancement / repair software - I already have Corel Video Studio X8
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:21
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They probably haven't got clearance to do so, broadcasting is one thing, releasing to the general public is another.

The BBC showed a popular series called The Rock 'n Rolls Years in the '80s, they are not allowed to show those anymore because of clearance issues and Radio Bremen (Studio Hamburg) produced a box set of their pop programme 'Musikladen',1972-1984 it was released for a few weeks then the releases were blocked and the box sets had to be pulled from the shop shelves, again clearance problems.

The BBC could solve the problem of the blocked episodes very easy simply by making some more "Big Hits" compilations (of unseen performances), very cheap and easy to produce and it would stop people complaining about the missed episodes.
Thought the researchers couldn't access the tapes of Savile, DLT & possibly Smith presented shows?

Can someone clarify whether the researchers have physical access to the tapes for those presenters or not?
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Old 02-01-2017, 22:49
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Anyone notice Simon Groom & Peter Duncan from Blue Peter in the audience just before Shaky on the last ep? Looks like they 'forgot' they weren't meant to look at the camera!!!
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:03
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Thought the researchers couldn't access the tapes of Savile, DLT & possibly Smith presented shows?

Can someone clarify whether the researchers have physical access to the tapes for those presenters or not?
The researchers DO have access to the tapes, they have used footage from some of them in making the Big Hit compilations.
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:26
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Has anyone ever said they aren't allowed to access the tapes? Or is it a typical Digialspy rumour/supposition that people have decided is fact?
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Old 02-01-2017, 23:41
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Thought the researchers couldn't access the tapes of Savile, DLT & possibly Smith presented shows?

Can someone clarify whether the researchers have physical access to the tapes for those presenters or not?
Of course they do - You cannot "catch" the badness just from touching the tapes
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:23
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Hmm - doesn't seem any point then in making improvement software if it doesn't improve anything - I shan't bother but thanks anyway.
I watched 1983 in black & white so it would be an improvement for me......
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Old 03-01-2017, 09:35
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Sony Vegas 13 Pro is the best, but don't forget rubbish in rubbish out.
I use Final Cut Pro but can't seem to synch my HDTV rip video of TOTP Dollar Videotheque with the higher quality mp3 of the cd I have.

I'm sure they are both the same but when I try to synch them David starts singing before he does in the video.
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Old 03-01-2017, 10:59
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Before we get to 1983, this is 1982's final Disco Top 40 from Record Mirror (dated 25 December) …

1 (1) HEAVY VIBES, Montana Sextet
2 (5) GROOVIN’ (THAT’S WHAT WE’RE DOIN’), The SOS Band
3 (3) IN AND OUT, Willie Hutch
4 (10) SOUL MAKOSSA, Nairobi
5 (8) WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE/BE MINE TONIGHT/AND YOU KNOW THAT, The Jammers
6 (6) JAZZY RHYTHM/WHO NEEDS A LOVE LIKE THAT, Michelle Weeks/Brenda Watts
7 (2) (SEXUAL) HEALING, Marvin Gaye
8 (4) THE SMURF, Tyrone Brunson
9 (13) THRILLER/BABY BE MINE/WANNA BE STARTIN’ SOMETHIN’/BILLIE JEAN/BEAT IT, Michael Jackson (LP tracks)
10 (9) E.T. BOOGIE, The Extra T’s *
11 (12) LOOPZILLA, George Clinton
12 (7) KEEP THE FIRE BURNING, Gwen McCrae
13 (17) JUST KEEP ON WALKING, Rod *
14 (11) HOLD ME TIGHTER IN THE RAIN, Billy Griffin
15 (14) HIGH HOPES, The SOS Band
16 (16) MAGIC’S WAND, Whodini
17 (21) BUFFALO GALS, Malcolm McLaren
18 (24) A.M., First Light
19 (43) LAST NIGHT A DJ SAVED MY LIFE, Indeep *
20 (20) NUNK, Warp 9
21 (31) LET LOVE SHINE/WON’T YOU BE MINE/LET’S CELEBRATE (REMIX), New York Skyy
22 (32) SUPER DUPER (LOVIN’), Masurrati & The Huey Harris *
23 (18) YOU’VE SAID ENOUGH, Central Line
24 (34) FAST MONEY, Roy Ayers *
25 (61) I WANNA KNOW/IT KEEPS ME COMING BACK, Rocket
26 (29) CAN YOU DIG IT/BRAZILIAN MEMORIES/MIXTY MOTIONS, Grover Washington Jr * (LP tracks)
27 (23) BACK TO LOVE/SHAME, Evelyn King
28 (80) SUCH A FEELING, Aurra *
29 (38) PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK, Planet Patrol
30 (44) SHE’S JUST A GROUPIE, Bobby Nunn *
31 (51) STEP IN THE LIGHT/YOUNG FREE AND SINGLE, Sunfire * (LP tracks)
32 (49) NATURE BOY, Central Line
33 (41) THE BEAT GOES ON, Orbit *
34 (25) DREAMIN’, Greg Henderson
35 (33) REACH UP, Tony Lee *
36 (37) POP QUIZ/CAMOUFLAGE/PAPA WAS A ROLLING STONE/CALL ME/NOBODY KNOWS/WHY DO YOU DO ME/SOARING, Bill Wolf * (LP tracks)
37 (26) YOUNG GUNS (GO FOR IT), Wham!
38 (39) LET’S STAY TOGETHER/HOW DO YOU FEEL TONIGHT/CHARLIE’S BACKBEAT, Bobby M * (LP tracks)
39 (-) LIFE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL, New York Citi Peech Boys *
40 (35) MS FINE BROWN FRAME, Syl Johnson *

* denotes imports

This seems a rather more specialist selection than the one from late October - possibly because the December pop charts didn't have as many big disco/dance hits? But lurking in the above are some tracks that would cross over ('Last Night A DJ Saved My Life', 'Young Free And Single'), artists that would later break through with other tracks (the SOS Band) and, of course, multiple tracks from Thriller that would end up as singles - all making waves on British dance floors way ahead of that.

Strangely, RM disco guru James Hamilton described 'Billie Jean' as 'Bee Gees-ish' in his album review … not a comparison that ever crossed my mind when I heard the track, but now it's rather bugging me …

Happy New Year (be that 1983 or 2017)!
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Old 03-01-2017, 11:10
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Anyone notice Simon Groom & Peter Duncan from Blue Peter in the audience just before Shaky on the last ep? Looks like they 'forgot' they weren't meant to look at the camera!!!
Noticed that. Were they doing a Blue Peter piece I wonder?
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Old 03-01-2017, 12:03
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Before we get to 1983, this is 1982's final Disco Top 40 from Record Mirror (dated 25 December) …

1 (1) HEAVY VIBES, Montana Sextet
2 (5) GROOVIN’ (THAT’S WHAT WE’RE DOIN’), The SOS Band
3 (3) IN AND OUT, Willie Hutch
4 (10) SOUL MAKOSSA, Nairobi
5 (8) WHAT HAVE YOU GOT TO LOSE/BE MINE TONIGHT/AND YOU KNOW THAT, The Jammers
6 (6) JAZZY RHYTHM/WHO NEEDS A LOVE LIKE THAT, Michelle Weeks/Brenda Watts
7 (2) (SEXUAL) HEALING, Marvin Gaye
8 (4) THE SMURF, Tyrone Brunson
9 (13) THRILLER/BABY BE MINE/WANNA BE STARTIN’ SOMETHIN’/BILLIE JEAN/BEAT IT, Michael Jackson (LP tracks)
10 (9) E.T. BOOGIE, The Extra T’s *
11 (12) LOOPZILLA, George Clinton
12 (7) KEEP THE FIRE BURNING, Gwen McCrae
13 (17) JUST KEEP ON WALKING, Rod *
14 (11) HOLD ME TIGHTER IN THE RAIN, Billy Griffin
15 (14) HIGH HOPES, The SOS Band
16 (16) MAGIC’S WAND, Whodini
17 (21) BUFFALO GALS, Malcolm McLaren
18 (24) A.M., First Light
19 (43) LAST NIGHT A DJ SAVED MY LIFE, Indeep *
20 (20) NUNK, Warp 9
21 (31) LET LOVE SHINE/WON’T YOU BE MINE/LET’S CELEBRATE (REMIX), New York Skyy
22 (32) SUPER DUPER (LOVIN’), Masurrati & The Huey Harris *
23 (18) YOU’VE SAID ENOUGH, Central Line
24 (34) FAST MONEY, Roy Ayers *
25 (61) I WANNA KNOW/IT KEEPS ME COMING BACK, Rocket
26 (29) CAN YOU DIG IT/BRAZILIAN MEMORIES/MIXTY MOTIONS, Grover Washington Jr * (LP tracks)
27 (23) BACK TO LOVE/SHAME, Evelyn King
28 (80) SUCH A FEELING, Aurra *
29 (38) PLAY AT YOUR OWN RISK, Planet Patrol
30 (44) SHE’S JUST A GROUPIE, Bobby Nunn *
31 (51) STEP IN THE LIGHT/YOUNG FREE AND SINGLE, Sunfire * (LP tracks)
32 (49) NATURE BOY, Central Line
33 (41) THE BEAT GOES ON, Orbit *
34 (25) DREAMIN’, Greg Henderson
35 (33) REACH UP, Tony Lee *
36 (37) POP QUIZ/CAMOUFLAGE/PAPA WAS A ROLLING STONE/CALL ME/NOBODY KNOWS/WHY DO YOU DO ME/SOARING, Bill Wolf * (LP tracks)
37 (26) YOUNG GUNS (GO FOR IT), Wham!
38 (39) LET’S STAY TOGETHER/HOW DO YOU FEEL TONIGHT/CHARLIE’S BACKBEAT, Bobby M * (LP tracks)
39 (-) LIFE IS SOMETHING SPECIAL, New York Citi Peech Boys *
40 (35) MS FINE BROWN FRAME, Syl Johnson *

* denotes imports

This seems a rather more specialist selection than the one from late October - possibly because the December pop charts didn't have as many big disco/dance hits? But lurking in the above are some tracks that would cross over ('Last Night A DJ Saved My Life', 'Young Free And Single'), artists that would later break through with other tracks (the SOS Band) and, of course, multiple tracks from Thriller that would end up as singles - all making waves on British dance floors way ahead of that.

Strangely, RM disco guru James Hamilton described 'Billie Jean' as 'Bee Gees-ish' in his album review … not a comparison that ever crossed my mind when I heard the track, but now it's rather bugging me …

Happy New Year (be that 1983 or 2017)!
The nature of the type of music that was making the main Disco chart was changing by the end of 1982. More and more the type of music that was making the Disco chart was electro dance. Partly this was because the more commercial disco releases were relegated to a "Nightclub" disco chart while in 1982 RM also began to compile a "Boys Town Disco" chart which removed the more Hi-NRG disco records. But it also reflected the fact that by 1982 what we would consider to be the classic disco sound which was prevalent in the late 1970s was more or less gone.

Here are the top 20 Disco hits of 1982, the list appeared in the issue of Record Mirror dated 1 January 1983 (the full list is a Top 90 - too much for me to type up!)

01 BEAT THE STREET (INSTRUMENTAL) / NEVER GIVE YOU UP - Sharon Redd
02 YOU'RE THE ONE FOR ME - D Train
03 FORGET ME NOTS - Patrice Rushen
04 NUMBER ONE (INSTRUMENTAL) - Patrice Rushen
05 WALKING ON SUNSHINE - Rockers Revenge
06 DO IT TO THE MUSIC - Raw Silk
07 I SPECIALIZE IN LOVE - Sharon Brown
08 LOVE COME DOWN - Evelyn King
09 SO FINE - Howard Johnson
10 LET'S FUNK TONIGHT - Blue Feather

11 STANDING ON THE TOP - Temptations/Rick James
12 GRACE - The Band AKA
13 ACT LIKE YOU KNOW - Fat Larry's Band
14 EVERY WAY BUT LOOSE - The Oneness Of Juju
15 SOONER OR LATER - Larry Graham
16 THIS BEAT IS MINE - Vicky "D"
17 IN AND OUT - Willie Hutch
18 NEVER GIVE UP ON A GOOD THING - George Benson
19 GET DOWN ON IT - Kool & The Gang
20 SEXUAL HEALING - Marvin Gaye

From the above we can see that what was popular in mainstream nightclubs at the time didn't always translate into success in the more "upfront" clubs that were now the main source of the DJ returns for the main Disco chart. There's still a fair number of big chart hits in there though.
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Old 03-01-2017, 13:33
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Just catching up on the last two (BBC4) shows of 1982. The closer of 09/12 amused me as the director clearly had a thing for the dancer in the black top and red skirt because she was in every other shot (she was gorgeous, admittedly!).

23/12 - as someone else pointed out, the debut of the 80s gantries/balconies (unless they were in 16/12). They did something similar for Xmas 81 but they were removed straight after the Christmas shows. They were really making the most of them in this ep particularly during Incantation!

Finally did anyone notice the subtle change to the titles on 23/12 (or possibly 16/12)? The fast cross cuts to the TOTP logo at the start and end are now on a transparent background, rather than black - so much less distracting.
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Old 03-01-2017, 14:10
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I'm so late to the party in commenting on the last two 1982 editions that I thought everyone might have left this thread by now, but since it's still alive I'll leave my comment on the first Friday edition. One I'd already got a copy of but hadn't watched for a while. Bit of so-so edition for me, some okay stuff but nothing that really exciting, so I can only give it a seven and half out of ten.

While I was watching Shalamar's performance of Friends I was wishing I was watching them doing There It Is, or Jeffrey moonwalking to A Night To Remember. Having said that, ever since then I've had the song going round my head so it must be growing on me.

Yazoo's The Other Side Of Love completely passed me by at the time and I only discovered it when I first got copies of some TOTP edition from 1982 a few years ago. I think it's quite decent song it just doesn't stand out compared to their other hits..

Nice to see Shaky doing his other Christmas hit, though I prefer the performance he did on the Russell Harty show with Del, Rodney and Granddad from Only Fools And Horses in the audience. I don't know if Shaky had done himself an injury, but seeing him perched on a stool like a member of Westlife was just plain wrong! I did like the snow and the fact he was wearing his trademark double denim for a "Blue" Christmas.

While Simon was right in just saying "here's Renato" when introducing the video to Save My Love, I'm sure it will have been because he'd forgotten Renee's name rather than him knowing it's an imposter in the video. As for him having a go at Renato's dress sense, the words pot, ket and black spring to mind!

Culture Club's Time (Clock Of The Heart) is nice enough follow up to Do You Really Want To Hurt Me but was hardly likely to be a Christmas number one contender. At least we get to see this performance that was on the yewtreed show the fortnight before.

It was also good to see the yewtreed performance of Lionel Richie's Truly, although I can't say it's one of my fave of his ballads. I'm looking forward to seeing more of his solo hits to come of these repeats although I'm bracing myself already for all those weeks of the Hello video to come!

Soft Cell's Where The Heart is is a bit of a disappointment. It's a good lyric about family tension, though it was probably wasn't wise to release it at Christmas, but the tune is so plodding. Not a big surprise it didn't make top ten.

I've seen the vid of Bing and Bowie's Peace On Earth - Little Drummer Boy way too many times for it to be of any interest. I don't dislike the song but it's way down on my list when it comes to playing Christmas Songs. There's no denying it was an unusual duet and unusual it became a hit so long after it was recorded.

I can't say I was that bothered about seeing the "bullfrogs" performance of Beat Surrender again. I'm not sure, without checking, if they bothered to make a video for it or not with them splitting up. If they did it wouldn't have been shown anyway unless they bleeped out the offending words.

Talking of offending words, it was surely an error on someone's part to play out with the "bloody" version of Blancmange's Living On The Ceiling for the playout having got them to change it to "cuckoo" when they perform. Anyway I don't mind which version get played, I'll always enjoy hearing it and it was good the end this so-so show on a high note.

I'll be back with my comments on the last TOTP 82 edition tomorrow if anyone else is still here!
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The nature of the type of music that was making the main Disco chart was changing by the end of 1982. More and more the type of music that was making the Disco chart was electro dance. Partly this was because the more commercial disco releases were relegated to a "Nightclub" disco chart while in 1982 RM also began to compile a "Boys Town Disco" chart which removed the more Hi-NRG disco records. But it also reflected the fact that by 1982 what we would consider to be the classic disco sound which was prevalent in the late 1970s was more or less gone.

Here are the top 20 Disco hits of 1982, the list appeared in the issue of Record Mirror dated 1 January 1983 (the full list is a Top 90 - too much for me to type up!)

01 BEAT THE STREET (INSTRUMENTAL) / NEVER GIVE YOU UP - Sharon Redd
02 YOU'RE THE ONE FOR ME - D Train
03 FORGET ME NOTS - Patrice Rushen
04 NUMBER ONE (INSTRUMENTAL) - Patrice Rushen
05 WALKING ON SUNSHINE - Rockers Revenge
06 DO IT TO THE MUSIC - Raw Silk
07 I SPECIALIZE IN LOVE - Sharon Brown
08 LOVE COME DOWN - Evelyn King
09 SO FINE - Howard Johnson
10 LET'S FUNK TONIGHT - Blue Feather

11 STANDING ON THE TOP - Temptations/Rick James
12 GRACE - The Band AKA
13 ACT LIKE YOU KNOW - Fat Larry's Band
14 EVERY WAY BUT LOOSE - The Oneness Of Juju
15 SOONER OR LATER - Larry Graham
16 THIS BEAT IS MINE - Vicky "D"
17 IN AND OUT - Willie Hutch
18 NEVER GIVE UP ON A GOOD THING - George Benson
19 GET DOWN ON IT - Kool & The Gang
20 SEXUAL HEALING - Marvin Gaye

From the above we can see that what was popular in mainstream nightclubs at the time didn't always translate into success in the more "upfront" clubs that were now the main source of the DJ returns for the main Disco chart. There's still a fair number of big chart hits in there though.
I had forgotten the 'Nightclub chart' - but it's strange that Wham! were still in the more upfront chart while there's no sign of 'Changes' by Imagination (despite that having charted as an LP track in the October chart - and also being available on import as a Larry Levan remix) …
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