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Wow!!! - What a wonderful find!!!
Great version - so thank you for sharing!! It makes you wonder had the punk scene not come along, would The Stranglers have gone in this kind of direction instead!? |
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''Strangle Little Girl'' was actually a very old self penned song, that The Stranglers had used as a demo dating back to 1974, with the intention of being signed by EMI, but they were rejected. This was a while before they adopted the punk rock style, they were most closely identified with in the late seventies. Strange to think that it would be eight years before the song would see the light of day again. In a sense, it may actually be more representative of the heart of The Stranglers sound than their punk stuff, which may have been a little more related to bandwagon jumping!
Here is the 1974 demo version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFmmYg9ck1A Arriba & Andaley to this Mexican version of "Golden Brown" done in the Mariachi style & see what you think. Hugh Cornwell's still got it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy8Y3R4dXyc |
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I think Rich Tea makes a great point, Boz, and especially in relation to those who have real musical potential, but who are ignored, because they don't fit into a specific (often manufactured) category, or don't have the image to use as an effective selling tool, by the use of glossy videos, or are slightly the wrong age etc. The law of averages tells us there are some wonderfully gifted musicians around, who just never get the chance. Taking away those developments that have happened since the dawn of the eighties, would very well give a more even playing field for everyone. Without the emphasis on flash videos, and computerised sounds, think of all the real musicians who may have found a way through, who unfortunately have been lost to us for eternity. Greed, and the getting rich quick mentality, has certainly ruined everything, make no mistake!
But yeah, I mean those damn computerised sounds by the likes of Kraftwerk and Georgio Moroder and Gary Numan were just tra...oh hang on...that was the 70s. Anyway, so spot on about the greed aspect of the industry that saw The Bay City Rollers completely done out of most of their royalties by an unscrupulous manager is a real example of whe...nope, I've just remembered...that was the 70s. Aah well. |
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The worst pre-millennium No1 ever is Rock & Roll Blockbuster (Parts 1 & 2).
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I don't think i have heard of that song!
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Great post Servalan.
I often wonder what the pop music world would now be like without Cowell and SAW and also without videos ever having been made with singles in the way they were after about 1980. Not so sure Mrs Thatcher had much impact on the direction of music other than defining the culture of the 80's itself. in terms of videos, I believe that the current 15 week long No1 by nonentity Drake (I still have not heard it and don't want to) does not have a video, as I've read some people on other threads complaining about that fact and that it cannot be viewed on You Tube either. I actually think it's a positive that songs are now becoming massive hits without videos. I hope the trend continues to grow. The power of videos in the early 80's was never proved better than with Say Say Say in late 1983 by McCartney & Jacko when it peaked at No10 and then fell for a couple of weeks before an appearance with the video on Noel's Late Late Breakfast Show which made the song do an immediate reverse and rocket up to No2 for a couple of weeks. Quote:
I think Rich Tea makes a great point, Boz, and especially in relation to those who have real musical potential, but who are ignored, because they don't fit into a specific (often manufactured) category, or don't have the image to use as an effective selling tool, by the use of glossy videos, or are slightly the wrong age etc. The law of averages tells us there are some wonderfully gifted musicians around, who just never get the chance. Taking away those developments that have happened since the dawn of the eighties, would very well give a more even playing field for everyone. Without the emphasis on flash videos, and computerised sounds, think of all the real musicians who may have found a way through, who unfortunately have been lost to us for eternity. Greed, and the getting rich quick mentality, has certainly ruined everything, make no mistake!
Edit: sorry, don't know why this has multi quoted, just replying to the last one! |
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I admit I laugh reading this thread with the "music got shit after X and after that it's mostly been noise". Isn't that what every generation says, the time music "went bad" is inevitably the time the person in question was somewhere in their mid-late teens. Though I'm sure most of you would have had your parents telling you music from your "golden era" was awful and it's the stuff from when they were young that was good- whereas you liekly thought that was old, boring "fogey music". And they inevitably had THEIR parents telling them the same!
As I'm only 30 I was most actively buying music from the mid-90s till the early 00s, but I'm sure as most of the people here are much older then me they'll probably think even that music was awful and noise And I can say the same about today's music. But I don't think any of us are truly right. And all the "my music is best and everything that followed it was dire" attitude will likely continue for generations to come.
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As I'm only 30 I was most actively buying music from the mid-90s till the early 00s, but I'm sure as most of the people here are much older then me they'll probably think even that music was awful and noise And I can say the same about today's music. But I don't think any of us are truly right. And all the "my music is best and everything that followed it was dire" attitude will likely continue for generations to come.![]() Actually - you're right - the "my music was best" attitude probably will carry on throughout the generations - although in time - the generations will see that music from the 60s, 70s & 80s era will always have had the best bands emerge from it. Compare the number of original & iconic bands/singers from this century to those before the Millennium.................... I rest my case!
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Well exactly. I mean I totally shake my fist at nearly all those flash videos that ABBA made an...uh, no wait...that was the 70s.
But yeah, I mean those damn computerised sounds by the likes of Kraftwerk and Georgio Moroder and Gary Numan were just tra...oh hang on...that was the 70s. Anyway, so spot on about the greed aspect of the industry that saw The Bay City Rollers completely done out of most of their royalties by an unscrupulous manager is a real example of whe...nope, I've just remembered...that was the 70s. Aah well. - Now LittleGirl - behave!!Quote:
. As I said, greed and getting rich quick mentality were around long long before the 1980s.
I agree - all this making quick money off the back of someone else's success - probably has been going on since rock & roll began! Although at least they wrote proper songs back then - not like the stuff we have to hear each Christmas from X factor winners!
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I admit I laugh reading this thread with the "music got shit after X and after that it's mostly been noise". Isn't that what every generation says, the time music "went bad" is inevitably the time the person in question was somewhere in their mid-late teens. Though I'm sure most of you would have had your parents telling you music from your "golden era" was awful and it's the stuff from when they were young that was good- whereas you liekly thought that was old, boring "fogey music". And they inevitably had THEIR parents telling them the same!
As I'm only 30 I was most actively buying music from the mid-90s till the early 00s, but I'm sure as most of the people here are much older then me they'll probably think even that music was awful and noise And I can say the same about today's music. But I don't think any of us are truly right. And all the "my music is best and everything that followed it was dire" attitude will likely continue for generations to come.
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Actually - you're right - the "my music was best" attitude probably will carry on throughout the generations - although in time - the generations will see that music from the 60s, 70s & 80s era will always have had the best bands emerge from it. Quote:
I was a teenager in the 90s and I can't stand most of the music from that period. I prefer 70s and 80s music, particularly 1977 to 1986.
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I'm probably a bit weird because I was a teenager in the 90s and I can't stand most of the music from that period. I prefer 70s and 80s music, particularly 1977 to 1986.
![]() ) but as it got later things began to sound familiar and so I took a peek and listen. They all began singing along together loudly the entirety of Wonderwall by Oasis followed by Blur's Song 2. Both tracks that would have been out before they were born. I was rather impressed. I was almost tempted to stick my CD of What's The Story on loudly so it could be heard over the fences between us but resisted the juvenile urge. Infact I have never even listened to the entire album since getting it as a gift at Christmas '95. I think I'd rather stick it in our lit chiminea. Most of their music is a bore nowadays. |
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Oooh....a gazebo!
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''Strangle Little Girl'' was actually a very old self penned song, that The Stranglers had used as a demo dating back to 1974, with the intention of being signed by EMI, but they were rejected. This was a while before they adopted the punk rock style, they were most closely identified with in the late seventies. Strange to think that it would be eight years before the song would see the light of day again. In a sense, it may actually be more representative of the heart of The Stranglers sound than their punk stuff, which may have been a little more related to bandwagon jumping!
Here is the 1974 demo version. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFmmYg9ck1A I liked the recent version of Golden Brown provided in the link by Andy too. Both decent listens. Quote:
Well exactly. I mean I totally shake my fist at nearly all those flash videos that ABBA made an...uh, no wait...that was the 70s.
But yeah, I mean those damn computerised sounds by the likes of Kraftwerk and Georgio Moroder and Gary Numan were just tra...oh hang on...that was the 70s. Anyway, so spot on about the greed aspect of the industry that saw The Bay City Rollers completely done out of most of their royalties by an unscrupulous manager is a real example of whe...nope, I've just remembered...that was the 70s. Aah well. Quote:
- Now LittleGirl - behave!! |
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On Saturday night there was a small party and BBQ going on in the back garden a couple of doors away from me but I could see everything, and smell it, except under the gazebo. Anyway these young people who seemed about 17 or 18 were having some good well behaved but noisy fun together late in the evening. At one point I heard the predictable Adele bellowing out with her recent release (
) but as it got later things began to sound familiar and so I took a peek and listen. They all began singing along together loudly the entirety of Wonderwall by Oasis followed by Blur's Song 2. Both tracks that would have been out before they were born. I was rather impressed. I was almost tempted to stick my CD of What's The Story on loudly so it could be heard over the fences between us but resisted the juvenile urge. Infact I have never even listened to the entire album since getting it as a gift at Christmas '95. I think I'd rather stick it in our lit chiminea. Most of their music is a bore nowadays. |
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The worst pre-millennium No1 ever is Rock & Roll Blockbuster (Parts 1 & 2).
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''Strangle Little Girl'' was actually a very old self penned song, that The Stranglers had used as a demo dating back to 1974, with the intention of being signed by EMI, but they were rejected.
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Jedikiah, I was specifically referring to SAW and Cowell and IMO Rich does not make a good point at all because there was still plenty of room for other acts. I accept the point that, from the early 80s especially, the video could be as, or even more, important than the song in some cases. As I said, greed and getting rich quick mentality were around long long before the 1980s.!
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BIB - I know you and LGof7 don't always see eye to eye but that Freudian slip is a bit extreme.
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Fabulous stuff Jedikiah, really enjoyed listening to that slightly folky rendition.
Arriba & Andaley to this Mexican version of "Golden Brown" done in the Mariachi style & see what you think. Hugh Cornwell's still got it... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy8Y3R4dXyc |
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![]() I can understand peoples dislike of Tight Fit or the Goombay Dance Band - but 'Golden Brown' by The Stranglers?!! Have I suddenly logged on to the wrong forum here? ![]() |
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BIB - I know you and LGof7 don't always see eye to eye but that Freudian slip is a bit extreme.
![]() - You have very sharp eyes Mr Saint - I missed it at first! |
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I think I posted about my dislike of 'Golden Brown' as long ago as the TOTP 1977 thread. We all have a song that seems to be almost universally liked that we just can't connect with and that seems to be mine. It's not even as if it's the more mellow sound compared with their previous, more punky, style that makes me dislike the song as I love 'Strange Little Girl'.
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On Saturday night there was a small party and BBQ going on in the back garden a couple of doors away from me but I could see everything, and smell it, except under the gazebo. Anyway these young people who seemed about 17 or 18 were having some good well behaved but noisy fun together late in the evening. At one point I heard the predictable Adele bellowing out with her recent release (
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IMO Wonderwall is one of the most overrated songs of all time, but Don't Look Back in Anger from the same album is one of the greatest songs of all time.
The exact opposite for me Boz. Whenever I hear the first notes of Imag....Don't Look Back in Anger on the radio I have to change station. |
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The exact opposite for me Boz. Whenever I hear the first notes of Imag....Don't Look Back in Anger on the radio I have to change station.
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I admit I laugh reading this thread with the "music got shit after X and after that it's mostly been noise". Isn't that what every generation says, the time music "went bad" is inevitably the time the person in question was somewhere in their mid-late teens. Though I'm sure most of you would have had your parents telling you music from your "golden era" was awful and it's the stuff from when they were young that was good- whereas you liekly thought that was old, boring "fogey music". And they inevitably had THEIR parents telling them the same!
As I'm only 30 I was most actively buying music from the mid-90s till the early 00s, but I'm sure as most of the people here are much older then me they'll probably think even that music was awful and noise And I can say the same about today's music. But I don't think any of us are truly right. And all the "my music is best and everything that followed it was dire" attitude will likely continue for generations to come.Of course the music of our formative years will always be special to us - whatever age we are - but I'm not despairing the current state of the music industry 'because it was better back in the day' … I'm despairing of it because the avenues open to artists then have been closed off and the results are everywhere to be seen. There are current artists I love who are offering something different - but, by and large, they're of little interest to the music industry, because they don't offer instant returns, and any success they have is despite, rather because of major labels, who seem to have a stranglehold on the charts, the music television channels and what gets played on the radio. The majors (and there are way fewer of them now than there used to be) even decide for us which new artists should have prominence. They want instant profits all the time - artists are not allowed to develop, because that would be unprofitable. So my comments about the current singles chart being sterile aren't driven by an opinion that it's 'awful and noise': they're a lament for a lack of diversity and risk-taking, both of which are in extremely short supply. |
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Don't Look Back In Asda
Why? - Have they overdone it in the Baked Beans aisle section?!!Is today "National Freudian Slip" day or something?!! I must've missed the announcement!! |
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Great version - so thank you for sharing!! 

And I can say the same about today's music. But I don't think any of us are truly right. And all the "my music is best and everything that followed it was dire" attitude will likely continue for generations to come.

) but as it got later things began to sound familiar and so I took a peek and listen. They all began singing along together loudly the entirety of Wonderwall by Oasis followed by Blur's Song 2. Both tracks that would have been out before they were born. I was rather impressed. 

