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Cleator Moor man killed in dog attack at home
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-36356634 Very sad. Seems to be a spate recently. This ones seems to be a Staffie/pitbull cross. ![]() My one wish with these things is they would do follow ups about the owners of the dogs so we can have the whole truth.. Rather than giving out the message that dogs just attack without reason. I'm sure some dogs are maybe having a bad day or maybe in pain of some kind.. But also sure many are not cared for in the way they should be. |
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[quote=Monkey_Moo;82492953]It's partly due to the fact that Staffies are the dominantly popular bread with a certain class of people. I spend a lot of time on very deprived, poor and run down council estates. Now I don't want to cast assertions on everyone who lives in such places, many are decent working class folk. But Staffies are by far the most popular/QUOTE]
Yes but why are they popular with certain groups? Are they trying to look 'hard' or what? It's very sad as the dogs are often not looked after properly - such as the one a neighbour had which was never walked. And if the dog loses it, it's the dog that pays the price - along with anyone in the way at the time of course. |
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Yes but why are they popular with certain groups? Are they trying to look 'hard' or what? It's very sad as the dogs are often not looked after properly - such as the one a neighbour had which was never walked. And if the dog loses it, it's the dog that pays the price - along with anyone in the way at the time of course. You should not judge on the clothes either. My son has a lovely staffy he rescued .. he wears a hoody sometimes or scruffy clothes as he is a mechanic but treats his dog very well. |
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With the bull breeds they are solid muscle . if you were the type to miss train a dog then many would be wary of that type of person when out with the dog or breaking into their home etc .. The studded/ spiked collars and harnesses dont help the reputation either.
You should not judge on the clothes either. My son has a lovely staffy he rescued .. he wears a hoody sometimes or scruffy clothes as he is a mechanic but treats his dog very well. |
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Who mentioned clothes. I wear hoodies too.
Here it is http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showp...0&postcount=18 |
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Surprise surprise a staffie.. While any dog can snap or bite, you never hear of labradoodles running amok/savaging people - or basset hounds or cocker spaniels.... It is nearly always pit bull types. Are these incidents down to the breed or the owner or a bit of both? ![]() Personally I think it's the latter. So often (present company excepting!) it seems to be the most unsuitable people who are attracted to these breeds - which however need careful management. A former neighbour was a prime example. His staff was never even walked. It got a few yards into the garden that's all and it was an accident waiting to happen. But the unfortunate dog would have paid the price if it had lost it. . It's true any dog can bite, but, not every dog can inflict the same amount of damage. A pug or shih-tzu isn't going to do half as much damage as a powerfully built dog with an equally powerful jaw is it? Not to mention the fact you would have a chance of shaking or kicking the former off but the latter - forget it. It's always the same breeds that crop up in these incidents, terriers, which were bred for one reason and one reason only - to kill. It is in their nature to attack other things and tear them to pieces, they weren't designed to be cuddly easy going family pets, they were designed to go after various other animals and kill them, straight to the job with no messing about. Apart from the the odd exception they aren't an easy going mellow breed, their wilful, highly strung and aren't afraid to hold back. Of all the breeds I've worked on, the terriers are the only ones to have a serious attitude problem and snap without warning. Putting a dog with this type of temperament and nature in the hands of someone who doesn't bother to train it properly, or trains it the wrong things is asking for trouble and it's usually somebody else who pays the price. These people go after certain breeds because they look tough and menacing, many will shoot you down in flames for saying that but it's true, they do, why else would they want them? They wouldn't want them if they were cute and fluffy would they? What is going to intimidate you more - a gang of youths with a pekingese or a gang of youths with a bull terrier? So to answer your question, it's a bit of both, breed and owner. It is not just down to the owner, while how a dog is kept is a huge factor, the nature, genetics and breed traits also play a part. |
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Careful Mrs G, if you say this on some sites they'd be on you like a pack of hounds
. It's true any dog can bite, but, not every dog can inflict the same amount of damage. A pug or shih-tzu isn't going to do half as much damage as a powerfully built dog with an equally powerful jaw is it? Not to mention the fact you would have a chance of shaking or kicking the former off but the latter - forget it. It's always the same breeds that crop up in these incidents, terriers, which were bred for one reason and one reason only - to kill. It is in their nature to attack other things and tear them to pieces, they weren't designed to be cuddly easy going family pets, they were designed to go after various other animals and kill them, straight to the job with no messing about. Apart from the the odd exception they aren't an easy going mellow breed, their wilful, highly strung and aren't afraid to hold back. Of all the breeds I've worked on, the terriers are the only ones to have a serious attitude problem and snap without warning. Putting a dog with this type of temperament and nature in the hands of someone who doesn't bother to train it properly, or trains it the wrong things is asking for trouble and it's usually somebody else who pays the price. These people go after certain breeds because they look tough and menacing, many will shoot you down in flames for saying that but it's true, they do, why else would they want them? They wouldn't want them if they were cute and fluffy would they? What is going to intimidate you more - a gang of youths with a pekingese or a gang of youths with a bull terrier? So to answer your question, it's a bit of both, breed and owner. It is not just down to the owner, while how a dog is kept is a huge factor, the nature, genetics and breed traits also play a part. I dont even feel they look menacing. My boy the other day was snapped at over and over and not one reaction from him other than to try and play again.. he loves other people and animals That is his nature same as all the staffies I personally know.. That is why they are called the nanny dog. Same as my pitball. How easy people who should know better are led by papers and TV news. My friend has a staffy that was used as a bait dog it was found in a bin..no aggression at all towards others. When I was a teen the breed of choice for the louts were GS and Dobermann. they were demonised Then came the Rottweiler and pit ball. in my kids teen years Now its the staffy's turn. good to see people not falling for the hype in this day and age.
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Round here the thugs are now moving away from Staffys to bull lurchers
they often use them for lamping too. They've got the strength of a staffy or other bull breed coupled with the speed and sight of a lurcher. Such gorgeous loving dogs in the right hands but sadly they are often setting them onto other dogs and cats. I hate such owners with a passion.
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Round here the thugs are now moving away from Staffys to bull lurchers
they often use them for lamping too. They've got the strength of a staffy or other bull breed coupled with the speed and sight of a lurcher. Such gorgeous loving dogs in the right hands but sadly they are often setting them onto other dogs and cats. I hate such owners with a passion. We always wondered if she was a staff whippet X I feel rather than this dog blaming we get these days something needs to be done about breeders and owners. a lot of staffy's are in rescue places or put down all the time.. People do not realise just how much hard work a staffy type is. They are like a puppy with ADHD on speed .. Blooming hard work. The results are way worth it, but getting there I had many tearful days. |
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That is back to front.
I dont even feel they look menacing. My boy the other day was snapped at over and over and not one reaction from him other than to try and play again.. he loves other people and animals That is his nature same as all the staffies I personally know.. That is why they are called the nanny dog. Same as my pitball. How easy people who should know better are led by papers and TV news. My friend has a staffy that was used as a bait dog it was found in a bin..no aggression at all towards others. When I was a teen the breed of choice for the louts were GS and Dobermann. they were demonised Then came the Rottweiler and pit ball. in my kids teen years Now its the staffy's turn. good to see people not falling for the hype in this day and age. ![]()
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I wonder if that is what my son has.. she looks staffy but also greyhound she has that very tiny waist. she runs at the speed of light outrunning my tall staffy boy. she is a rescue so dont really know the history. although she has a staffy like face, she does not lock on like a staffy, so my boy beats her hands down at tug o war .. When he can catch her that is
We always wondered if she was a staff whippet X I feel rather than this dog blaming we get these days something needs to be done about breeders and owners. a lot of staffy's are in rescue places or put down all the time.. People do not realise just how much hard work a staffy type is. They are like a puppy with ADHD on speed .. Blooming hard work. The results are way worth it, but getting there I had many tearful days. Yes, they get crossed with whippets too. |
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That is back to front.
I dont even feel they look menacing. My boy the other day was snapped at over and over and not one reaction from him other than to try and play again.. he loves other people and animals That is his nature same as all the staffies I personally know.. That is why they are called the nanny dog. Same as my pitball. How easy people who should know better are led by papers and TV news. My friend has a staffy that was used as a bait dog it was found in a bin..no aggression at all towards others. When I was a teen the breed of choice for the louts were GS and Dobermann. they were demonised Then came the Rottweiler and pit ball. in my kids teen years Now its the staffy's turn. good to see people not falling for the hype in this day and age. ![]() |
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It's not back to front. Terriers aren't mellow, their not designed to be. They are bred to have a very high prey drive, things running in front of them excite them , they get hyped up and when what their after starts squeaking either in fright or when it's caught, it excites the dog up even more. That is how they function and in the right hands it's generally not a problem, but in the wrong ones it is. It isn't difficult to encourage or train a dog which is already hard wired to go after and kill other animals, undesirable traits that make them dangerous, because the basics are already there under the surface. It's like teaching a Labrador to fetch a ball, it's pretty easy to do because it's in the breed to retrieve, you simply mould that ability into something you desire in the dog. If you take a dog bred to kill and put it in the care of someone who wants it to cause trouble that is exactly what you are going to get - trouble. Now of course any dog can snap and bite, but you would have a hell of a job trying to get a poodle to be vicious and wound up into a frenzy than the already bred for that trait terrier. I don't understand those who say their great with kids, kids run about, move quickly and make loud high pitched noise at exactly the right level for the dog, it triggers the same reaction in them as the small animals their bred to kill would, and in the case of the bull terrier, that 'small animal' is a bull which their meant to lock onto, drag down and not let go. With the best will in the world, why on earth would anybody think a dog with that instinct and nature be ideal to have around children?
![]() Staffies are brilliant with kids The purebred Staffie is a whole different ball game. It has a nickname, “The Nanny Dog” That nickname came about because this breed is known to be so good with children. The Staffie is the breed that is recommended for a family with young children by many of the welfare and re-homing organisations. These organisations and rescue centres believe it is probably one of the best family dogs of all the dog breeds. It is the only breed that has been described as “Totally loving to its family “, and is the only dog to have “totally reliable” in its breed standard. The very breed that many describe as vicious, unreliable and a killer. The Kennel Club describes the breed’s suitability to young children. One of only two breeds, to have this recommendation. So how did it become so good with children and adults, and why is it such a loyal and loving family dog? http://www.doglistener.co.uk/choosing/staffie.shtml |
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You cannot tell a typo?
Yes my day is short of excitement at the mo. I'm off now to get a life...
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I just thought it was amusing making the same typo twice in one post.
Yes my day is short of excitement at the mo. I'm off now to get a life... ![]() My mind thinks one thing and my hands type another.. I am always typing every for ever , along for alone and many others I drive myself potty |
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They are not the same but share some characteristics. (google is your friend). And yes we can all dig deep and find an incident where someone's chihuhuaha or whatever killed or maimed. So predictable that someone would come out and say this. Next up will be someone who will post to say their staffie is a softie. Sigh..
No one can deny that the majority of serious incidents involve this type of dog. Why? |
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Round here the thugs are now moving away from Staffys to bull lurchers
they often use them for lamping too. They've got the strength of a staffy or other bull breed coupled with the speed and sight of a lurcher. Such gorgeous loving dogs in the right hands but sadly they are often setting them onto other dogs and cats. I hate such owners with a passion.My dog is a staffy/JRT cross so not for the faint-hearted.
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It's partly due to the fact that Staffies are the dominantly popular bread with a certain class of people. I spend a lot of time on very deprived, poor and run down council estates. Now I don't want to cast assertions on everyone who lives in such places, many are decent working class folk. But Staffies are by far the most popular/QUOTE]
Yes but why are they popular with certain groups? Are they trying to look 'hard' or what? It's very sad as the dogs are often not looked after properly - such as the one a neighbour had which was never walked. And if the dog loses it, it's the dog that pays the price - along with anyone in the way at the time of course. |
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It's not back to front. Terriers aren't mellow, their not designed to be. They are bred to have a very high prey drive, things running in front of them excite them , they get hyped up and when what their after starts squeaking either in fright or when it's caught, it excites the dog up even more. That is how they function and in the right hands it's generally not a problem, but in the wrong ones it is. It isn't difficult to encourage or train a dog which is already hard wired to go after and kill other animals, undesirable traits that make them dangerous, because the basics are already there under the surface. It's like teaching a Labrador to fetch a ball, it's pretty easy to do because it's in the breed to retrieve, you simply mould that ability into something you desire in the dog. If you take a dog bred to kill and put it in the care of someone who wants it to cause trouble that is exactly what you are going to get - trouble. Now of course any dog can snap and bite, but you would have a hell of a job trying to get a poodle to be vicious and wound up into a frenzy than the already bred for that trait terrier. I don't understand those who say their great with kids, kids run about, move quickly and make loud high pitched noise at exactly the right level for the dog, it triggers the same reaction in them as the small animals their bred to kill would, and in the case of the bull terrier, that 'small animal' is a bull which their meant to lock onto, drag down and not let go. With the best will in the world, why on earth would anybody think a dog with that instinct and nature be ideal to have around children?
![]() Worse our retriever cross collie ever did was round people up and bring them back, our chihuahuas sit on laps, and our Labrador just fetches balls. All dogs have their traits and terriers have that murdeous streak. |
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According to several local rescues, when I was looking for a staffy or staffy cross a couple of years back, the chavs have moved onto malamutes and huskies - which are far more dangerous dogs than bull breeds, in the wrong hands.
My dog is a staffy/JRT cross so not for the faint-hearted. ![]() The next day was lovely a very chilled out and calm dog and my mate said the same.. |
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I agree with you I had many terriers over the years all cuddly teddies at home but show them another dog or cat or rat etc and that cuddle bunny became a working terrier willing to kill anything.
Worse our retriever cross collie ever did was round people up and bring them back, our chihuahuas sit on laps, and our Labrador just fetches balls. All dogs have their traits and terriers have that murdeous streak. Guess I dont have a staffy. I have been well and truly conned
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The only dog ever to bite me was a Jack Russel - simply because I had the temerity to walk past it. The owner said 'Oh he does that' without even an apology
It actually bit a hole in my jeans - it could easily have been my leg.
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The only dog ever to bite me was a Jack Russel - simply because I had the temerity to walk past it. The owner said 'Oh he does that' without even an apology
It actually bit a hole in my jeans - it could easily have been my leg. ![]() Been in a few pet shops and the like over the year I have had my dog and conversation turns to dogs biting a lot. most say oh there was this JR who bit la la la. They are lovely dogs in the right hands but I feel they are totally different from most other terriers. |
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You cannot compare a JR and a staffy. Most JR will go mad at anyone walking past their home or knocking on the door .. most staffies will just watch people walk past and not care. Staffies are not vocal like a JR either.. Mine nor my son's never barks
Staffies are brilliant with kids The purebred Staffie is a whole different ball game. It has a nickname, “The Nanny Dog” That nickname came about because this breed is known to be so good with children. The Staffie is the breed that is recommended for a family with young children by many of the welfare and re-homing organisations. These organisations and rescue centres believe it is probably one of the best family dogs of all the dog breeds. It is the only breed that has been described as “Totally loving to its family “, and is the only dog to have “totally reliable” in its breed standard. The very breed that many describe as vicious, unreliable and a killer. The Kennel Club describes the breed’s suitability to young children. One of only two breeds, to have this recommendation. So how did it become so good with children and adults, and why is it such a loyal and loving family dog? http://www.doglistener.co.uk/choosing/staffie.shtml |
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. It's true any dog can bite, but, not every dog can inflict the same amount of damage. A pug or shih-tzu isn't going to do half as much damage as a powerfully built dog with an equally powerful jaw is it? Not to mention the fact you would have a chance of shaking or kicking the former off but the latter - forget it. It's always the same breeds that crop up in these incidents, terriers, which were bred for one reason and one reason only - to kill. It is in their nature to attack other things and tear them to pieces, they weren't designed to be cuddly easy going family pets, they were designed to go after various other animals and kill them, straight to the job with no messing about.
they often use them for lamping too. They've got the strength of a staffy or other bull breed coupled with the speed and sight of a lurcher. Such gorgeous loving dogs in the right hands but sadly they are often setting them onto other dogs and cats. I hate such owners with a passion.